Skip to comments.Santorum and Gingrich Scramble for the Conservative Vote
Posted on 01/15/2012 11:59:29 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
WASHINGTON Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich both pleaded with conservatives on Sunday to unite behind their candidacies in a last-ditch effort to stop Mitt Romneys march to the Republican presidential nomination.
Mr. Santorum said the Republican contest needed to quickly narrow to a two-person race between Mr. Romney and someone else, but he declined to explicitly call on the other candidates to drop out.
Im not going to tell anybody to get in or out of a race; I think thats their decision to make, Mr. Santorum said on Fox News Sunday. But he added, We need to get this eventually down to a conservative alternative to Mitt Romney.
Mr. Santorum said the vote of support for his candidacy by Christian conservative leaders on Saturday in Texas should persuade Republicans in South Carolina that he deserves to be that alternative.
(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...
Santorum is no conservative. Just examine his voting record.
And he is better than Gingrichs?Gingrich called Paul Ryans plan right wing and now Gingrich endorses it.What is the alternative Gingrich has dropped in the polls? Who else is there? Or is it that no one is done eating they’re own until we have Romney/Obama?
It is sad that the Republicans can only produce Romney as their candidate. As has been said repeatedly he is nothing but “Obama lite!” For some reason conservatives cannot resonate with voters. I think a large part of such failure is the massive demographic shift brought about by flooding the country with “Third Worlders.” The liberals have won again and have insured themselves perpetual power.
If Santorum has a close win or comes in second to Mendacity Mitt I do hope the others will do their patriotic duty to defend the United States by stepping aside and endorsing Santorum.
Course Paul the nut don't count cuz he is innit for his freakish ego.
He’s a social conservative only. He’s also leaden, a terrible speaker, and has absolutely no chance of getting the nomination - but he’ll make sure that Romney gets it.
Plus if you’ve ever heard his scary ideas on Social Security you’ll really run screaming. He seems to want to handle it by taking benefits away from the already retired, making it means tested so it essentially becomes a welfare program and people who have paid into SS all of their lives can’t collect because they have just too much money to “need” it, etc.
I guess all the other candidates have the conservative vote locked up?
There are two sides to that argument:
Gingrich is no conservative. Just examine his advocacy record.
See? It's easy. Newt has flipped back and forth from Global Warming to a healthcare mandate. So, at that point it comes down to which one you can trust. Newt violated his most solemn oaths, repeatedly. He may be intelligent and articulate, but from what I can see he uses that ability to rationalize anything.
It will be down to one anti-Romney after FL, but I don’t think Rick will care for the results.
I agree.I recall reading a thread of Gingrich fans saying they will unite around whoever wins in SC (discounting Romney and Paul) but now that it may be Santorum (in which BTW Obama cannot win without PA) the final schism to give us Romney Obama looks like (from the comments so far) to have begun. I said I would support either Santorum of Gingrich I am open.If more eating they’re own takes place and Gingrich and Santorum split the vote-it will be so sad.
Our country doesn’t need an alter boy.
We need a real leader that will turn this country around intelligently and quickly.
I will continue to support the one man that I believe in my heart and head can turn this country around and set the course for my children and grandchildren to have a better future........ that man is Newt Gingrich.
GO NEWT GO.........
Mitt Romney leads the South Carolina Republican presidential primary with 29%. Newt Gingrich is in second place with 25% and Ron Paul is in third place with 20%.
Paul has gained the most and Rick Santorum has lost the most since the last American Research Group survey on January 4-5. In that survey, Paul was at 9% and Santorum was at 24%.
Gingrich and Romney are tied among self-identified Republicans with 29% each, followed by Paul with 18%. Paul leads among independents and Democrats with 29%, followed by Romney with 27%, Gingrich with 12%, and Rick Perry with 11%.
Gingrich leads among those likely primary voters saying they are supporters of the Tea Party with 28%, followed by Romney with 24%, Paul with 20%, and Santorum with 11%. Romney leads with 33% among those saying they are not supporters of the Tea Party or are undecided about the Tea Party, followed by Gingrich with 23%, and Paul with 21%.
Gingrich leads among evangelical Christians with 40%, followed by Perry with 15%, Romney with 13%, Santorum with 12%, and Paul with 10%. Among likely voters saying they are not evangelical Christians, Romney leads with 48% and followed by Paul with 33%.
Gingrich leads among men with 29%, followed by Paul with 23%, Romney at 18%, and Santorum with 14%. Among women, Romney leads with 38%, followed Gingrich with 22%, and Paul with 18%.
... from the survey of 600 likely Republican primary voters conducted January 11-12, 2012...
Agree, the only true conservative in this race is Gov. Rick Perry.
I really wish Perry were on top like he was when he first announced.
All those who have lost their last election to a democrat please raise your hands...
Are you really that dense?
We have the following candidates:
Soooo... if Newt and Santorum are out, you still have two that aren’t Romney or Paul.
Now, wasn’t that easy?
Nonsense. Anyone who would violate private property rights by using eminent domain for the benefit of a foreign corporation is an opportunist, not a conservative. Anyone who would pander to a racist claque supporting a violent takeover of the American Southwest is an opportunist, not a conservative.
You’re putting Santorum last is you’re personal views.No reason too call anyone dense.
It’s pretty apparent that Perry is out, but he beats Santorum hands down on his record of service.
That is just plain sad and very depressing.
“For some reason conservatives cannot resonate with voters.”
Because so many get into some tightly pigeonholed ‘orthodoxy’ of what they perceive as the one, true conservatism. There really are different conservative camps, driven by different imperatives most of which are subjective and cultural. Not all by any means, but mostly. Economic, religious (and there is a hydra to be sure), social, regional, ethnic and on and on. So we start off fractured.
We also tend to aggravate the problem by driving off people who could be and should be potential political allies. Not brothers, not comrades, but allies. I am speaking here of libertarians. Some are so far off the charts they cannot be worked with, but many would agree on most of our principles of small, limited government with specific and narrow functions, and otherwise to get out of our lives. The Reagan Democrats would be another example, and a fair portion of the PUMAs were in that camp.
Culturally, I am about as conservative as Stonewall Jackson. Politically I am much more libertarian. Leave me alone to live my life as I see fit, and I will return the favor. Our laws and restrictions should be very few, and for very clear and objective reasons, and firm. Except for control freaks and submissives, EVERYONE wants that.
Accord is made harder than it should be, as the powers that be (the vile and venal political parties we are shackled with) thrive on keeping people divided, factionalized and mutually suspicious or downright hostile. As the old joke says, one lawyer in a small town will starve to death, but two make a pretty good living. As with lawyers, so with these degenerated political parties which oppress us all.
You are taking extreme liberties here with the truth. No matter how you slice it, Gov. Rick Perry is still the only real conservative in this race.
All those that’s district is democrat and how he ever managed to win at all and Obama cannot win without Pa. please raise you’re hand.(Romney’s dem district does not count as he is a democrat)
Has anybody taken a good look at his voting record?
Below is just some of the worst:
VOTED AGAINST INCREASING THE NUMBER OF IMMIGRATION INVESTIGATORS
VOTED TO ALLOW ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO RECEIVE THE EARNED INCOME CREDIT BEFORE BECOMING CITIZENS
VOTED TO GIVE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
SANTORUM: TRIM SOCIAL SECURITY NOW- EVEN IF PAINFUL.http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j7O34Bpp42k-IlMMNiOLBkYF2zNw?docId=b1cff9ecefe24ca6ae1764a09761e361
VOTED TO GIVE WELFARE BENEFITS TO NATURALIZED CITIZENS without regard to to the earnings of their sponsors
VOTED AGAINST HIRING AN ADDITIONAL 1,000 BORDER PATROL AGENTS, paid for by reductions in state grants.
VOTED AGAINST FOOD STAMP REFORM
VOTED AGAINST MEDICAID REFORM
VOTED TO INCREASE THE SOCIAL SERVICES BLOCK GRANT FROM $1 BILLION to $2 BILLION
VOTED TO RAID SOCIAL SECURITY instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.
VOTED TO IMPOSE A UNIFORM FEDERAL MANDATE ON STATES TO FORCE THEM TO ALLOW CONVICTED RAPISTS, ARSONISTS, DRUG KINGPINS AND ALL OTHER EX-CONVICTS TO VOTE IN FEDERAL ELECTIONS.
Its going to be Romney or Newt or by a slim chance, Santorum.
VOTED AGAINST INCREASING THE NUMBER OF IMMIGRATION INVESTIGATORS?
VOTED TO GIVE WELFARE BENEFITS TO NATURALIZED CITIZENS?
VOTED AGAINST HIRING AN ADDITIONAL 1,000 BORDER PATROL AGENTS?
VOTED AGAINST FOOD STAMP REFORM?
VOTED AGAINST MEDICAID REFORM?
People NEED to know this about Santorums voting record.
Newt is NOT my first choice, and I cant say I like him that much.
I just feel it will take a man of Newts bravery, (yes, bravery. Newts right. The others are too timid to debate Obama) intellect, experience and debating skills to bring the Marxist/Muslim down.
Have we all forgotten his smack-downs of his RINO opponents and the Obama butt-licking interviewers?
All agree hes the most intelligent, experienced and the most skilled at debating- even the Obama loving Media.
Obama is going to have a billion dollars in this campaign fund, the commie MSM in his back pocket, hell use the same same voter fraud methods, and illegal overseas contributiions as he did in 08.
Do you think the rats are going to let the commie coup they they have hoped for for generations slip through their fingers??
The fight is going to be the hardest fought and the dirtiest in U.S history.
We have GOT to have a STRONG man with the experience, intellect and debating skills to go up against Obama- or America is doomed.
haha! Good one.
My predictions for SC:
“He seems to want to handle it by taking benefits away from the already retired”
You mean he’s in favor of Social Security reform? Earned my vote!
First, Romney's the 'establishment' candidate for a few reasons, most of which is that he's spent 8 years cultivating support from within the establishment, trading support then for support now. He's worked the system, and become the anointed one not for his political views, but as payback in the buddy system.
Next, he is not Obama lite. Obama is 'Present' in the White House - he hates work, hates working with people, and would much rather spend another billion of our dollars on another massive junket to another nation than spend a day working to forward his agenda. Vs Romney who 'loves mandates' - that's not a quote from some private meeting or a speech to some liberals, that's a quote from the 2008 Republican Presidential Debates.
Worse, Romney's team, if they get the White House, will work to exclude anyone who worked against Romney (IE: Any conservative) from any support from the national party. Defunding of campaigns, support of 'moderate' candidates in close races, etc.
Romney is everything we fear from an Obama who actually works.
So? Is the information wrong because Santorum was listed last?
If Santorum and Newt are out, you have Perry and Huntsman to choose from.
It’s *THAT* simple.
Flip a coin, or *find the one that best meets your political beliefs.*
(Not another explanation of how to select a candidate... when the heck did everyone forget the basics of civics?!?)
I tell you I am going to be upset more with Rick S. than Newt (splitting votes) because Rick S. has a less chance of beating Obama. Newt can take the fight right to the devil’s den. That is not harsh. That is the truth. This is a battle for the heart and soul of America. South Carolina, don’t give us RomneyCare/Obamacare.
“Our country doesnt need an alter boy.”
So your clubhouse says, “no socons allowed?”
Good to know!
Oh, BTW - Just so you know.
It’s altar. ;)
Conservativegreatgrandma: “Santorum is no conservative. Just examine his voting record.”
Carry_Okie: “There are two sides to that argument:
Gingrich is no conservative. Just examine his advocacy record.”
The sad truth is that you are both correct. Which means the calculus shifts to which one got or can get anything done for conservatives or even mere Constitutional governance, and can that candidate win?
Both of these guys are compromised. Which one is least compromised, and which one is most able to win? I’ve made up my mind, but that is the dilemma we all face with this lackluster field at a critical juncture.
As you said we are badly divided and divided we are easily conquered. I think being divided is certainly one factor.
Santorum polls better vs Obama than Newt, btw.
Newt will take his ego, his intelligence, his narcissism and his rhetoric all the way to Tampa.
The man is all about Newt.
Santorum sucks, he couldn’t even get re elected in his home state.. He got routed.
Perry beat Kay Baily and Deb Medina and got kudos from Kinky Friedman.
None of it means ****, but Santorum is not going to be the candidate.
Here is a balanced (although shallow) discussion of the former. Use of eminent domain for rights of way is, in my opinion, illegitimate and counterproductive. It destroys any potential speculative market in consolidating real estate options into rights of way, thus depriving property OWNERS from enjoying that return on their investment. Effectively, the very existence of eminent domain takings for such uses is an uncompensated taking of speculative value for public benefit. That is socialism lady. If it was truly necessary, then James J. Hill could never have put together the Great Northern Railway.
As to the latter, this is all I need.
Prove your baseless, shallow, and unsupported assertion or retract the charge.
Last I checked, Newt wasn’t even eligible in his homestate. ;)
Which is what I was saying.
Just goes to show that our political process is a farce.
Perry sued VA and rightfully so.
The Tea Party proved that assumption wrong in 2010 but if you are talking only about presidential politics it is hard to tell if that is currently true since we haven't had a real conservative win the GOP nomination since Ronald Reagan.
Now HE certainly resonated with the voters.
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