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Santorum and Gingrich Scramble for the Conservative Vote
nytimes.com ^ | January 15, 2012, 12:20 pm | MICHAEL D. SHEAR

Posted on 01/15/2012 11:59:29 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

WASHINGTON — Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich both pleaded with conservatives on Sunday to unite behind their candidacies in a last-ditch effort to stop Mitt Romney’s march to the Republican presidential nomination.

Mr. Santorum said the Republican contest needed to quickly narrow to a two-person race between Mr. Romney and someone else, but he declined to explicitly call on the other candidates to drop out.

“I’m not going to tell anybody to get in or out of a race; I think that’s their decision to make,” Mr. Santorum said on Fox News Sunday. But he added, “We need to get this eventually down to a conservative alternative to Mitt Romney.”

Mr. Santorum said the vote of support for his candidacy by Christian conservative leaders on Saturday in Texas should persuade Republicans in South Carolina that he deserves to be that alternative.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: alternative; conservative; gingrich; mitt4romney; mittromney; newtgingrich; notromney; ricksantorum; romney4romney; santorum; southcarolina; vote
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

You’re gonna love Mitt Romney.

And many of us will not forget SC and the Santorum-cide voters. If Santorum voters couldn’t even get on board for one lousy state where there was an obvious best strategy for all, don’t go begging the rest of us to join the miracle crusade after SC.

Remember, when the reports came out in Iowa that it was a three-man race, a LOT of Newt voters moved to Santorum to defeat Romney as the day went on. Even on FR, you could see examples of that. If Santorum voters can’t bring themselves to do the same, don’t complain when many Newt supporters don’t give the same grace to Union Rick that they once gave him in Iowa.

There is no second place in SC, only first. You either win all of the delegates or you, like everyone else, lose. Whoever finishes third is an enemy of the cause, period.


101 posted on 01/15/2012 2:00:02 PM PST by TitansAFC (Rick Santuckabee is 2012's version of Mike Huckatorum. Avoid Conservicide voting; support Newt!!)
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To: TitansAFC
Why is it Santrorum voters are perfectly content to voting for the guy who is way behind Romney instead of strategically voting for the guy who is statistically tied with Romney?

Some of us realize that Noot is nothing more than a more intelligent and articulate version of flim-flam Romney. Liberals one and all!

102 posted on 01/15/2012 2:01:03 PM PST by SlargTarg
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To: cricket

I believe you are going crazy but don’t blame other people.


103 posted on 01/15/2012 2:02:02 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Happy Rain

Wasn’t it those same polls that led you to believe Santorum could win Iowa?

Can;t just cheery-pick. The polls are typically quite accurate, and show clear trends. The SC situation is very clear.

Just remember, for many of us Rick Santorum becomes and enemy if Romney wins SC and Rick finished third. We will show him no more love than Santorum supporters showed Newt when Newt had a chance to beat Mitt.


104 posted on 01/15/2012 2:02:15 PM PST by TitansAFC (Rick Santuckabee is 2012's version of Mike Huckatorum. Avoid Conservicide voting; support Newt!!)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Anyone can make a slanted poll—
The Rick Ranger Weather Chanel Polls says

Romney 51 % of voting Republican left handed doctors vote for him over others
Ron Paul has 34%
Rick Santorus 22%
Huntsman 22%
Newt “Crazy Man” Gingrich has %5 of the insane drunk hillbillys support.
1% still support Cain. Read the poll and don’t waste you vote on Newt!


105 posted on 01/15/2012 2:02:39 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: kingu

“Worse, Romney’s team, if they get the White House, will work to exclude anyone who worked against Romney (IE: Any conservative) from any support from the national party. Defunding of campaigns, support of ‘moderate’ candidates in close races, etc.”

Yup. Elections have consequences. Traditional conservatives need to make a deal with the Paul faction to stop romney and prevent their own marginalization. But they won’t do it. Not in a million years.

Who knows? Maybe traditional conservatives will be happier working with Chuck Baldwin.


106 posted on 01/15/2012 2:05:30 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The party of Liberty - The GOP. Join today!!)
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To: Happy Rain

P.S. NOBODY can win the nomination but Mitt if Romney wins SC, NOBODY


107 posted on 01/15/2012 2:05:47 PM PST by TitansAFC (Rick Santuckabee is 2012's version of Mike Huckatorum. Avoid Conservicide voting; support Newt!!)
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To: make no mistake

Or I can quote Reagan -

“Conservativism never loses”

You seem to believe that we need to cut everywhere except here. Why?

Show me where it says that it’s the constitutional obligation for the federal government to provide a retirement income for seniors.

Sorry, that’s not going to fly. Everything needs to be cut back - that includes sacred cows like social security.

I’m an educator and I think the department of Education should be eliminated. I’m not quite sure how that benefits me, since that is slashing jobs in my sector. Why? Because we can’t afford unconstitutional mandates.


108 posted on 01/15/2012 2:06:19 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: make no mistake

I don’t see any way Santorum loses to Obama. Santorum would put Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, and Pennsylvania into the Republican column. And there isn’t a single state that McCain won four years ago that doesn’t go for Santorum as well.


109 posted on 01/15/2012 2:07:14 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: TitansAFC
P.S. NOBODY can win the nomination but Mitt if Romney wins SC, NOBODY

Then say "Hello" to 'Four More Years.'

110 posted on 01/15/2012 2:07:41 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Psalm 144

“Both of these guys are compromised.”

Yup, and neither are in a position to go the distance EVEN IF the other were to drop out.


111 posted on 01/15/2012 2:07:57 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The party of Liberty - The GOP. Join today!!)
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To: SlargTarg

That’s gonna leave a mark!


112 posted on 01/15/2012 2:08:13 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: SlargTarg; TitansAFC

newbie TROLL alert


113 posted on 01/15/2012 2:09:01 PM PST by b9 (NEWT all the way)
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To: RKBA Democrat

One of them must. One must. Or were are locked in a political Alamo.


114 posted on 01/15/2012 2:09:59 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: BenKenobi
We here, (that includes me) on Free Republic know Social Security is in need of reform but Santorum saying in the debate that we need to start NOW on changing/slashing the benefits of people receiving ss and are near to receiving ss. will be an issue that will give us Obama for another 4 years.
115 posted on 01/15/2012 2:19:02 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: make no mistake

Great news!

Rather then letting the problem get worse, we can fix it straight away.

I guess we could take it nice and slow and be like Greece.


116 posted on 01/15/2012 2:24:14 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: Hoodat
I don’t see any way Santorum loses to Obama. Santorum would put Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, and Pennsylvania into the Republican column. And there isn’t a single state that McCain won four years ago that doesn’t go for Santorum as well.

Umm, how about the fact that PA voted against Santorum for REELECTION to the senate? Just how does him as a presidential candidate change the fact that the people of PA said no to him already and put it in the win column? And how does NC, VA, IN, IA, OH come into play once they start recycling the campaign against Santorum that cost him his senate seat in PA?

Do we really want another 'culture of corruption' campaign cycle?

117 posted on 01/15/2012 2:24:14 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: b9

Uh oh.

All hail Newt! PBUH.


118 posted on 01/15/2012 2:26:04 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: BenKenobi

The Farce is strong with you.


119 posted on 01/15/2012 2:29:13 PM PST by b9 (NEWT all the way)
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To: kingu

And your point? He did better in PA in his senate loss than McCain did in his loss to Obama.

Obama needs PA. He can’t win without it.

“And how does NC, VA, IN, IA, OH come into play once they start recycling the campaign against Santorum that cost him his senate seat in PA?”

Uh, all of those states are ‘in play’, and will likely turn against Obama this electoral cycle. Santorum just reinforces all of them in the race against Obama. Which is what we need right now.

A solid conservative from a battleground state.


120 posted on 01/15/2012 2:29:37 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: BenKenobi

Rather then letting the problem get worse, we can fix it straight away.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but Santorum will lose to Obama on this issue alone. So there will be no fixing


121 posted on 01/15/2012 2:30:57 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: b9

Wow, I should hire your scriptwriter.


122 posted on 01/15/2012 2:32:08 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: b9

Wow, I should hire your scriptwriter.


123 posted on 01/15/2012 2:32:20 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: make no mistake

I beg to differ.

We need health care reform. Or go bankrupt. Pick one.


124 posted on 01/15/2012 2:34:33 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: make no mistake

blargh - social security reform.

Brain fart there.

That’s the stark reality of it. Obama can deny it all he likes, but he’ll get crushed by it.

Why should we play into his myth when we know how things are in the real world? Socsec reform was needed about 10 years ago. Now is too late.


125 posted on 01/15/2012 2:36:16 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: kingu
And how does NC, VA, IN, IA, OH come into play once they start recycling the campaign against Santorum that cost him his senate seat in PA?

Gee, I had no idea that Bob Casey was running for President.

126 posted on 01/15/2012 2:37:33 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: TitansAFC
P.S. NOBODY can win the nomination but Mitt if Romney wins SC, NOBODY

Why? This is still very early. Are you saying three states get to pick the Rep. nominee?
127 posted on 01/15/2012 2:44:07 PM PST by Girlene
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To: altura

Santorum talked about SS at the last debate and I was surprised more people didn’t take notice of his blood-curdling plan. He said it was “sharing the pain.”

That was when Gingrich said we had to approach it from a whole different point of view, not pain, but how we can offer options, restructure to make it sound going forward, and eliminate fraud (something Obama has consistently refused to do, even though Medicare fraud is expected to cost 1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years). The thing I like about Gingrich is that he has positive solutions for things and you feel positive when you listen to him.

Santorum sounds bitter and priggish, as if those seniors who are selfish enough to collect something they’ve paid into all their lives are the root of the whole problem and must be punished.


128 posted on 01/15/2012 2:45:46 PM PST by livius
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To: TitansAFC

Are we gonna all tell each other “you’re gonna love Romney”instead of doing something about something?


129 posted on 01/15/2012 2:51:15 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

The one (Perry, Santorum, Gingrich) with class and REAL love for country will DROP OUT NOW.


130 posted on 01/15/2012 2:54:50 PM PST by ROTB (Christian sin breeds enemies for the USA. If you're a Christian, stop sinning, and spread the Word..)
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To: Girlene

You have no sense of political reality if you do not understand that a Romney win in SC coronates him.

Of course, I suppose I could join the miracle crusade and declare that we could always try and talk the delegates into switching their votes for so-and-so.


131 posted on 01/15/2012 2:56:17 PM PST by TitansAFC (Rick Santuckabee is 2012's version of Mike Huckatorum. Avoid Conservicide voting; support Newt!!)
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To: ROTB

Well we know it isn’t Perry since he’s moving on to Florida.


132 posted on 01/15/2012 2:57:03 PM PST by rintense
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To: kingu

It is astonishing that many make excuses and pass Gingrich through with all of his past flaws and then say something as ignorant as this.Santorum was in dem territory.Obama cannot win without PA. PA hates Obama but they’re dem side would not show if one of they’re own from Butler, PA was POTUS.


133 posted on 01/15/2012 2:57:59 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: BenKenobi

Yes, well said.Gingrich has his pros and cons.His pros is him debating Obama his cons are he is a grey haired old time Washington insider.Santorum will pounce Obama in any debate anybody could as Obama is NOW EXPOSED his magic has worn off!Santorum is being attacked for his socon issues but Gingrich would be as well.Santorum/Martinez-hispanic and a woman vote for 75 Alex, with Newt very high in the cabinet,Palin as energy sec for the win Alex.


134 posted on 01/15/2012 3:07:33 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

We’re going to be attacked for it anyways, we might as well get the real deal.

I have no problem with a Santorum/Newt ticket. I just don’t want Newt in the driver’s seat.


135 posted on 01/15/2012 3:11:01 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: livius

It’s the truth. There are going to be cuts to social security.

The longer we put them off, the more devastating the consequences when the bill comes due and we are insolvent.

We’ve already gone from 65 percent debt to GDP now we’ve almost doubled that in this administration. We simply don’t have the means to continue on as we have done.

This means cuts, and yes, cuts to social security. I don’t believe those should be the only cuts - far from it, but there will be cuts across the board.

If we are asking young men and women to sacrifice their futures in order to pay down the debt already incurred, then we can cut social security too.


136 posted on 01/15/2012 3:13:59 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: BenKenobi

SANTORUM/MARTINEZ


137 posted on 01/15/2012 3:23:07 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Christie at the beach

Um that vote was unvetoable.


138 posted on 01/15/2012 3:24:22 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BenKenobi

There are other ways of handling this and Santorum’s prissy, spiteful blaming of Granny is not going to fly. People have paid into this, and saying it’s now going to default and it’s really Granny’s fault anyway for doing what she was told (and forced) to do by the government for all her working life is sure not going to be a big seller with a major voting bloc.

Plus, it’s just plain wrong. There’s no point in arguing about whether SS should or shouldn’t have been founded in the first place, but it does exist, many people were told they could rely on it, and you can’t just dump them and walk away. Gingrich actually has ideas for reworking SS and permitting a gradual transition to other systems for younger people. Santorum sounds like he’s in the Granny-is-a-useless-eater brigade.


139 posted on 01/15/2012 3:26:19 PM PST by livius
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

I could go with that!

Tex-Mex hispanic lady!


140 posted on 01/15/2012 3:26:21 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: Christie at the beach

Perry never gave up your rights.


141 posted on 01/15/2012 3:26:27 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Happy Rain

Keep telling yourself that.


142 posted on 01/15/2012 3:29:29 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: livius

Well, here’s the problem.

It’s wrong to force people to pay into a ponzi scheme then, it’s wrong to continue to force people to pay into a ponzi scheme now.

The money that granny put into the fund, has been spent already. The money that granny is currently spending comes from you and I who are forced to pay to keep the ponzi scheme going.

The problem is that there aren’t enough of us - young folks - to keep the system going, unless you tax us over 100 percent of our income, which isn’t going to happen.

Since the program is massively in the red, the government has to borrow (as it has), to keep things going. This borrowing has to be eventually paid back - not by granny, but by her children and grandchildren.

That train can only go on so long. Only once has the US been in this kind of shape, and that was the year after the second world war. The immediate budget was a 40 percent cut in government spending.

I can show you Truman’s 46 budget - you’ll be shocked. 40 percent cuts across the board, to get the US into fiscal sanity. That worked, the deep cuts sparked a short and sharp recession, followed by the massive growth of the 50’s and early 60s.

It has to be done, and the longer we wait, the worse trouble we end in later. The ponzi scheme has to stop.


143 posted on 01/15/2012 3:32:30 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

bttt


144 posted on 01/15/2012 3:35:00 PM PST by jch10
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!.


145 posted on 01/15/2012 3:37:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: BenKenobi

Palin as energy sec and Paul in a position to audit the fed


146 posted on 01/15/2012 3:40:23 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksYPLrdZZIQ


147 posted on 01/15/2012 3:40:34 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BenKenobi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susana_Martinez


148 posted on 01/15/2012 3:42:53 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: altura
While our ultimate mental state IS our creation; cannot be argued that 'outside help' can come into play. . but to your comment re 'my crazy'. . .I said something 'crazy'?

Having done me the favor - as you might call it - of a reply ; perhaps you could offer something specific; that strikes you. . .lest I doubt your mental credentials.

Should I hold my breath waiting - or not. . .

149 posted on 01/15/2012 3:44:45 PM PST by cricket (<I>Obama the Occupyer</I> must go. . .and Newt must win. . .)
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To: Psalm 144

“One of them must. One must. Or were are locked in a political Alamo.”

Very good analogy. Neither have the resources to do it. Talk of a unity ticket is about 4-6 months late.

And General “Mitt” Santa Anna is on his way.


150 posted on 01/15/2012 3:45:47 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The party of Liberty - The GOP. Join today!!)
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