Skip to comments.Santorum and Gingrich Scramble for the Conservative Vote
Posted on 01/15/2012 11:59:29 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
WASHINGTON Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich both pleaded with conservatives on Sunday to unite behind their candidacies in a last-ditch effort to stop Mitt Romneys march to the Republican presidential nomination.
Mr. Santorum said the Republican contest needed to quickly narrow to a two-person race between Mr. Romney and someone else, but he declined to explicitly call on the other candidates to drop out.
Im not going to tell anybody to get in or out of a race; I think thats their decision to make, Mr. Santorum said on Fox News Sunday. But he added, We need to get this eventually down to a conservative alternative to Mitt Romney.
Mr. Santorum said the vote of support for his candidacy by Christian conservative leaders on Saturday in Texas should persuade Republicans in South Carolina that he deserves to be that alternative.
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You’re gonna love Mitt Romney.
And many of us will not forget SC and the Santorum-cide voters. If Santorum voters couldn’t even get on board for one lousy state where there was an obvious best strategy for all, don’t go begging the rest of us to join the miracle crusade after SC.
Remember, when the reports came out in Iowa that it was a three-man race, a LOT of Newt voters moved to Santorum to defeat Romney as the day went on. Even on FR, you could see examples of that. If Santorum voters can’t bring themselves to do the same, don’t complain when many Newt supporters don’t give the same grace to Union Rick that they once gave him in Iowa.
There is no second place in SC, only first. You either win all of the delegates or you, like everyone else, lose. Whoever finishes third is an enemy of the cause, period.
Some of us realize that Noot is nothing more than a more intelligent and articulate version of flim-flam Romney. Liberals one and all!
I believe you are going crazy but don’t blame other people.
Wasn’t it those same polls that led you to believe Santorum could win Iowa?
Can;t just cheery-pick. The polls are typically quite accurate, and show clear trends. The SC situation is very clear.
Just remember, for many of us Rick Santorum becomes and enemy if Romney wins SC and Rick finished third. We will show him no more love than Santorum supporters showed Newt when Newt had a chance to beat Mitt.
Anyone can make a slanted poll—
The Rick Ranger Weather Chanel Polls says
Romney 51 % of voting Republican left handed doctors vote for him over others
Ron Paul has 34%
Rick Santorus 22%
Newt “Crazy Man” Gingrich has %5 of the insane drunk hillbillys support.
1% still support Cain. Read the poll and don’t waste you vote on Newt!
“Worse, Romney’s team, if they get the White House, will work to exclude anyone who worked against Romney (IE: Any conservative) from any support from the national party. Defunding of campaigns, support of ‘moderate’ candidates in close races, etc.”
Yup. Elections have consequences. Traditional conservatives need to make a deal with the Paul faction to stop romney and prevent their own marginalization. But they won’t do it. Not in a million years.
Who knows? Maybe traditional conservatives will be happier working with Chuck Baldwin.
P.S. NOBODY can win the nomination but Mitt if Romney wins SC, NOBODY
Or I can quote Reagan -
“Conservativism never loses”
You seem to believe that we need to cut everywhere except here. Why?
Show me where it says that it’s the constitutional obligation for the federal government to provide a retirement income for seniors.
Sorry, that’s not going to fly. Everything needs to be cut back - that includes sacred cows like social security.
I’m an educator and I think the department of Education should be eliminated. I’m not quite sure how that benefits me, since that is slashing jobs in my sector. Why? Because we can’t afford unconstitutional mandates.
I don’t see any way Santorum loses to Obama. Santorum would put Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, and Pennsylvania into the Republican column. And there isn’t a single state that McCain won four years ago that doesn’t go for Santorum as well.
Then say "Hello" to 'Four More Years.'
“Both of these guys are compromised.”
Yup, and neither are in a position to go the distance EVEN IF the other were to drop out.
That’s gonna leave a mark!
newbie TROLL alert
One of them must. One must. Or were are locked in a political Alamo.
Rather then letting the problem get worse, we can fix it straight away.
I guess we could take it nice and slow and be like Greece.
Umm, how about the fact that PA voted against Santorum for REELECTION to the senate? Just how does him as a presidential candidate change the fact that the people of PA said no to him already and put it in the win column? And how does NC, VA, IN, IA, OH come into play once they start recycling the campaign against Santorum that cost him his senate seat in PA?
Do we really want another 'culture of corruption' campaign cycle?
All hail Newt! PBUH.
The Farce is strong with you.
And your point? He did better in PA in his senate loss than McCain did in his loss to Obama.
Obama needs PA. He can’t win without it.
“And how does NC, VA, IN, IA, OH come into play once they start recycling the campaign against Santorum that cost him his senate seat in PA?”
Uh, all of those states are ‘in play’, and will likely turn against Obama this electoral cycle. Santorum just reinforces all of them in the race against Obama. Which is what we need right now.
A solid conservative from a battleground state.
Rather then letting the problem get worse, we can fix it straight away.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but Santorum will lose to Obama on this issue alone. So there will be no fixing
Wow, I should hire your scriptwriter.
Wow, I should hire your scriptwriter.
I beg to differ.
We need health care reform. Or go bankrupt. Pick one.
blargh - social security reform.
Brain fart there.
That’s the stark reality of it. Obama can deny it all he likes, but he’ll get crushed by it.
Why should we play into his myth when we know how things are in the real world? Socsec reform was needed about 10 years ago. Now is too late.
Gee, I had no idea that Bob Casey was running for President.
Santorum talked about SS at the last debate and I was surprised more people didn’t take notice of his blood-curdling plan. He said it was “sharing the pain.”
That was when Gingrich said we had to approach it from a whole different point of view, not pain, but how we can offer options, restructure to make it sound going forward, and eliminate fraud (something Obama has consistently refused to do, even though Medicare fraud is expected to cost 1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years). The thing I like about Gingrich is that he has positive solutions for things and you feel positive when you listen to him.
Santorum sounds bitter and priggish, as if those seniors who are selfish enough to collect something they’ve paid into all their lives are the root of the whole problem and must be punished.
Are we gonna all tell each other “you’re gonna love Romney”instead of doing something about something?
The one (Perry, Santorum, Gingrich) with class and REAL love for country will DROP OUT NOW.
You have no sense of political reality if you do not understand that a Romney win in SC coronates him.
Of course, I suppose I could join the miracle crusade and declare that we could always try and talk the delegates into switching their votes for so-and-so.
Well we know it isn’t Perry since he’s moving on to Florida.
It is astonishing that many make excuses and pass Gingrich through with all of his past flaws and then say something as ignorant as this.Santorum was in dem territory.Obama cannot win without PA. PA hates Obama but they’re dem side would not show if one of they’re own from Butler, PA was POTUS.
Yes, well said.Gingrich has his pros and cons.His pros is him debating Obama his cons are he is a grey haired old time Washington insider.Santorum will pounce Obama in any debate anybody could as Obama is NOW EXPOSED his magic has worn off!Santorum is being attacked for his socon issues but Gingrich would be as well.Santorum/Martinez-hispanic and a woman vote for 75 Alex, with Newt very high in the cabinet,Palin as energy sec for the win Alex.
We’re going to be attacked for it anyways, we might as well get the real deal.
I have no problem with a Santorum/Newt ticket. I just don’t want Newt in the driver’s seat.
It’s the truth. There are going to be cuts to social security.
The longer we put them off, the more devastating the consequences when the bill comes due and we are insolvent.
We’ve already gone from 65 percent debt to GDP now we’ve almost doubled that in this administration. We simply don’t have the means to continue on as we have done.
This means cuts, and yes, cuts to social security. I don’t believe those should be the only cuts - far from it, but there will be cuts across the board.
If we are asking young men and women to sacrifice their futures in order to pay down the debt already incurred, then we can cut social security too.
Um that vote was unvetoable.
There are other ways of handling this and Santorum’s prissy, spiteful blaming of Granny is not going to fly. People have paid into this, and saying it’s now going to default and it’s really Granny’s fault anyway for doing what she was told (and forced) to do by the government for all her working life is sure not going to be a big seller with a major voting bloc.
Plus, it’s just plain wrong. There’s no point in arguing about whether SS should or shouldn’t have been founded in the first place, but it does exist, many people were told they could rely on it, and you can’t just dump them and walk away. Gingrich actually has ideas for reworking SS and permitting a gradual transition to other systems for younger people. Santorum sounds like he’s in the Granny-is-a-useless-eater brigade.
I could go with that!
Tex-Mex hispanic lady!
Perry never gave up your rights.
Keep telling yourself that.
Well, here’s the problem.
It’s wrong to force people to pay into a ponzi scheme then, it’s wrong to continue to force people to pay into a ponzi scheme now.
The money that granny put into the fund, has been spent already. The money that granny is currently spending comes from you and I who are forced to pay to keep the ponzi scheme going.
The problem is that there aren’t enough of us - young folks - to keep the system going, unless you tax us over 100 percent of our income, which isn’t going to happen.
Since the program is massively in the red, the government has to borrow (as it has), to keep things going. This borrowing has to be eventually paid back - not by granny, but by her children and grandchildren.
That train can only go on so long. Only once has the US been in this kind of shape, and that was the year after the second world war. The immediate budget was a 40 percent cut in government spending.
I can show you Truman’s 46 budget - you’ll be shocked. 40 percent cuts across the board, to get the US into fiscal sanity. That worked, the deep cuts sparked a short and sharp recession, followed by the massive growth of the 50’s and early 60s.
It has to be done, and the longer we wait, the worse trouble we end in later. The ponzi scheme has to stop.
Palin as energy sec and Paul in a position to audit the fed
Having done me the favor - as you might call it - of a reply ; perhaps you could offer something specific; that strikes you. . .lest I doubt your mental credentials.
Should I hold my breath waiting - or not. . .
“One of them must. One must. Or were are locked in a political Alamo.”
Very good analogy. Neither have the resources to do it. Talk of a unity ticket is about 4-6 months late.
And General “Mitt” Santa Anna is on his way.