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Santorum: A Massively Expanded Welfare State is ‘The Genuine Conservatism our Founders Envisioned’
Red State ^ | 11 January 2012 | Jeff Emmanuel

Posted on 01/12/2012 4:58:10 AM PST by IbJensen

"I believe what I've been presenting is the genuine conservatism our Founders envisioned. One that fosters the opportunity for all Americans to live as we are called to live, in selfless families that contribute to the general welfare, the common good."

Posted by Jeff Emanuel (Diary)

Despite strident opposition from supporters who maintain that Rick Santorum is a “true conservative” in the mold of – you guessed it – Ronald Reagan, the already huge mountain of evidence that he is, at heart, a ‘big-government conservative’ continues to grow. As Erick noted previously, in 2008 Santorum said:

This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone.

Now, consider these two quotes from Santorum’s 2005 book It Takes a Family: Conservatism and the Common Good, both of which are very telling:

What was my vision? I came to the uncomfortable realization that conservatives were not only reluctant to spend government dollars on the poor, they hadn’t even thought much about what might work better. I often describe my conservative colleagues during this time as simply ‘cheap liberals.’ My own economically modest personal background and my faith had taught me to care for those who are less fortunate, but I too had not yet given much thought to the proper role of government in this mission.

-Preface, p. IX; audio here


I suspect some will dismiss my ideas as just an extended version of ‘compassionate conservatism.’ Some will reject what I have said as a kind of ‘Big Government Conservatism.’ Some will say that what I’ve tried to argue isn’t conservatism at all. But I believe what I’ve been presenting is the genuine conservatism our Founders envisioned. One that fosters the opportunity for all Americans to live as we are called to live, in selfless families that contribute to the general welfare, the common good.

-Conclusion, p. 421; audio here

Though the second quote is the “money shot,” as it were, the value of the first is that it sets the stage for Santorum’s exploration of the role of government in the book. As the second quote demonstrates, Santorum has not only concluded that it is the role of government to ensure that “all Americans…contribute to the general welfare, the common good” by acting as the chief arbiter of charitable resources and their distribution.

This is wrong on several levels. While there is absolutely a role for government in creating and maintaining a social safety net (Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, etc.) for the population that cannot take care of itself (whether that should take place at the federal, state, or local level, and in what measure each, is a different discussion), Santorum’s instinct appears to be to use government to expand that safety net to all who may be in need or want of charity. Further, he accuses conservatives in Congress who disagree with a significantly expanded role of government in enforcing redistributive charity and welfare of being “cheap liberals” who haven’t “though [enough] about” the issue of “the poor” to recognize that making decisions about charity is clearly government’s job to do.

Not only does Santorum argue for an expansion of the welfare state as the proper way to ensure that “all Americans…contribute to the general welfare,” and not only does he dismiss criticisms that his view represents “an extended version of compassionate conservatism” or “big government conservatism,” but he actually claims that increasing the size and scope of government, and its role in growing the welfare state, represents “the genuine conservatism our Founders envisioned.”

I’m not criticizing Rick Santorum for being concerned about his fellow man. However, instinctively turning to government to cure all that ails our society and individuals within it – and calling that a “conservative” instinct – shows a lack of understanding about the role of government itself within our society. Further, his belief that only government is able (and benevolent enough) to ensure that “all Americans…contribute to the general welfare” in an acceptable manner reveals a lack of faith in, and understanding of, conservatism and conservative Americans. Were he to step outside of his more-government-is-the-solution bubble, he would learn, for example, that conservative Americans voluntarily contribute to the “common good” by donating to private charities at a very high rate – much higher than liberals who, like Santorum, look to an ever-expanding government to take care of the poor using Americans’ tax dollars.

Santorum certainly isn’t unique within the community of current and former lawmakers in his faith that government has the answers and the moral requirement to make fiscal decisions (including where charitable contributions are to be made, and in what amounts) for the American people as a whole. However, denying that such a belief is “big government conservatism” (if it is conservatism at all) is only surpassed on the absurdity scale by the claim that such a belief truly represents “the genuine conservatism our Founders envisioned.”

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'Compassionate Conservatism'. Quick. Pass me a bucket so I can puke!

There is a Marxist/ Liberation theological strand in the Catholic church which I once considered to be more of a fringe element but have notice their rhetoric to have seeped into what many consider “main stream” in recent years.

The excerpts of Sen. Santorums writings include the phraseology and philosophy espoused by this element. It is taught in theology classes at Catholic universities and, in fact, permeates the curriculum across all disciplines at some of these institutions. Invited speakers and authors who decry American values, rail “against the pursuit of happiness”, foster class antagonism in the name of social and economic justice are celebrated and their ideas are often advanced in the form of “common reader” , cross curriculum assignments.

Seemingly benign and overflowing with pathos and compassion for the less fortunate, parishioners, idealistic college students and many in the general population find the words noble and readily embrace what they perceive to be moral social teaching in the spirit of Catholic identity.

I heard it when Newt described how he would deal with illegal aliens who had resided in this country for some period of time and I recognize the strains in Sen. Santorums words quoted above. Some are calling it big government conservatism. I have come to the conclusion that the rhetoric is more like a gateway drug to socialist-progressivism.

Be very, very, very careful. This is not the stuff that was in your grandmother’s catechism.

1 posted on 01/12/2012 4:58:16 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Memo to all those who think that “the guy who shouts the loudest about the social issues is the true conservative:”

Ain’t necessarily true. Can you say “Santuckabee?”

2 posted on 01/12/2012 5:03:28 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: IbJensen

Socialism is the morally corrupt belief that we each can (and must) live off of the income and wealth of others. Christians should know how this violates at least trhee of the Ten Commandments: lies, coveting and theft. But recall that socialists themselves love to scold the rest of us about “sustainability”, yet as Margaret Thatcher once quipped, socialism works until they run out of other people’s money.

So, the dirty secret about socialism is that in the long run, it is not economically “sustainable”, and is in fact built to fail. Sadly, socialists not only think they have the right to seize the income and asset of others, many of whom they have never met, they don’t stop there. To read Keyenes or Marx is to read the plans and proposals of someone who assumes the right to own, control and in the end, to even wholely consume the personhood of others. It is a sociopathology so vast in scope, that it is only restrained by how many humans it can place under its insatiable grasp.

Socialism is evil, plain and simple. Those who advocate socialsm are advocates and supporters of evil. They are our our enemies and are a threat to our lives and our prosperity.

The economist Ludwig von Mises showed in 1920 [1,2] that since a socialist economy destroys price information via government intrusion, the myriad of participants in the economy are unable to make a fully rational calculation about true profit and loss. Any economic activity that operates at a loss cannot be “sustainable”, a concept the left loves to scold us about, yet cannot really grasp.

Taking another approach, the Nobel economist F.A. Hayek showed that a national economy had such an immense myriad of dynamic economic relationships that no single committee or bureaurcracy, no matter how smart or how well staffed, could possibly know enough to direct prices or production levels. His Nobel Lecture [3] was entitled The Pretence of Knowledge. Hayek had previously used this idea as the basis for a very thorough article [4] on the subject, “The Use of Knowledge in Society.”

When these two different withering critiques of socialism are combined, it is easy to see that not only is it dangrously foolish to think that economic decisions can successfully be made by government, but that competing bureaucracies will invariably react to the consequences of intrusions in the marketplace by each other. It would be like trying to control the height of waves on a lake by measuring them from the back of a boat circling in its own wake.

[1] Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth by Ludwig von Mises

[2] Why a Socialist Economy is “Impossible” by Joseph T. Salerno

[3] The Pretense of Knowledge

[4] “The Use of Knowledge in Society,” American Economic Review, XXXV, No. 4; September, 1945, pp. 519–30.

3 posted on 01/12/2012 5:06:28 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: IbJensen
James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once,

Brant, Irving the Fourth President - A Life of James Madison [Eyre & Spottiswoode (Publishers) Ltd. London, 1970, pg. 257

4 posted on 01/12/2012 5:08:42 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: IbJensen

I’ll still take him over Newt any day.

5 posted on 01/12/2012 5:09:42 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: IbJensen
I'm probably going to end up with Newt because, if nothing else, I believe he can pull off, out from under those dropped eyes, more machine gun attack on the zero and his failed and commie administration than anyone else.

I think Newt knows where a lot of keys to a lot of closets are and knows the combination to more than a few locks.

America needs someone that will do more than lead, we need also someone that will be, in the blue collar world, a pusher that gets things done.

There's still time before the election, and I am not bored with what is happening before our historical eyes.

6 posted on 01/12/2012 5:10:19 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: IbJensen
The category of spirit is: the individual. The animal aspect is: the number.
Christianity is spirit, it relates accordingly to the category of spirit.
To work for Christianity with the help, and the direction, of number therefore means translating spirit into the animal aspect.
Yet this is the drift of all Christendom's efforts. What is despicable is this mendacity which makes it out to be Christian zeal, lets it be applauded and extolled as such, the more one can get together to work, as they call it, for Christianity - while the effect is exactly to attenuate and abolish Christianity.
The common man cannot see this; but those scoundrels, the trader clergy, they should be able to see this much.

- Søren Aabye Kierkegaard (1854)
7 posted on 01/12/2012 5:10:45 AM PST by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: IbJensen

With that pathetic bunch of insiders running for president, it’ll either be Romney or Obama, and socialism in our future.

8 posted on 01/12/2012 5:11:16 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: IbJensen

Is he better than Romney? yes
Is he better than Paul? yes
Is he better than Newt? possibly

There isn’t a perfect candidate but there are several which are far worse.

9 posted on 01/12/2012 5:15:36 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: IbJensen
A lot of “interpretations” and “edited” quotes but no actual quotes that prove Santorum wants to expand the federal government outside of defense and law enforcement.

The whole thing is a chopped up hit job on a man with an extensive record easily taken out of context depending on the author's political bias.

Nothing here.

10 posted on 01/12/2012 5:15:58 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Newt Rick or Rick cause four more with the Twit will put America in the....")
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To: Daveinyork

“’ll either be Romney or Obama, and socialism in our future.”

for a brief period, yes. Unfortunately, we’ve spent ourselves into oblivion so much so that there will not be enough money left over to steal to feed the socialism/communism in this country.

We’ll either end up with Free-market capitalism again, or a dictatorship.

Same thing in Europe.

There is simply not enough money to steal to make it work.

11 posted on 01/12/2012 5:18:52 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

“We’ll either end up with Free-market capitalism again, or a dictatorship.”

Or civil war/anarchy

12 posted on 01/12/2012 5:23:16 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: IbJensen
Nicely tailored hit piece. Do you suppose that the left specifically targeted Santorum in PA because he was another big spender and big government advocate?

No, of course not.

What, then, is the meaning of the mish-mash of quotes rendered here?

Well, let us recall the Founders idea of self-interest eventually raising the standard of living for all. Certainly, that's a conservative ideal? Using nicely clipped quotes, I would imagine I could subvert that notion into something like: ‘a governments role...should foster...individual...contribution to the whole.’ I mean, this kind of boiler plate distortion is just what lefties have used to distort the general welfare clause into the entire welfare system. Something the Founders, BTW, could not even imagine on any scale of their time. It goes without saying that it is also anathema to their other codes and principles.

What Santorum is arguing, IMO, is that it is in the gub’mints interest to foster (real two parent) families (Duh, that's a Western concept, no?) so that in the fullness of time they, in fact, will better everyone in the physical, moral and social sense. It goes without saying (should, anyway) that the opposite has been going on for a long, long time and the result of the gub’mint Daddy model is crime, disorder, immorality, disease and decay of our national order. In short, by not supporting the family (no, not with welfare checks but with the creed of our founding ideals) we are surely killing ourselves. Nowhere in this screed is Santorum advocating an expanded welfare system to spend billions more and bring about more of the same disorder and decay.

It is the governments role to foster the values that contribute to freedom and liberty - chiefly through upholding those values in the laws and institutions of our land. Those values are Judeo-Christian. Those values used to be common sense. These days, all bets are off and the gub’mint, in fact, makes war on all these things. Santorum is not arguing for more of the same. He is simply arguing for a return to the essential basis for a strong and free society; that is, a return to strong and free families.

My $0.02

13 posted on 01/12/2012 5:24:03 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Soon to be a man without a country.)
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Great quote, EBH. Here's a follow up to that Madison quote.

With respect to the words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.

James Madison's Letter to James Robertson (1831-04-20)
14 posted on 01/12/2012 5:24:25 AM PST by johngalt42 ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God" -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Daveinyork

“Or civil war/anarchy”

Oh, we’re guaranteed plenty of that. We’ve got a form of “government anarchy” right now, to use a contradiction in terms.

The intervening time between socialism-on-credit and the withdrawal of credit will not be fun. Without grown-ups in charge it will be deadly for many. It’s clear that the crew we’ve got from the GOP are not the grown-ups necessary to navigate these waters. Too bad.

15 posted on 01/12/2012 5:28:01 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: IbJensen
The problem here is that we should care for our fellow man, but it should not be the responsibility of the government to care for the less fortunate.

Taking money from one person under threat of punishment and giving it to another is theft, regardless if it is the local street hood or the government. Some once said that he would rather be robbed than have his money taken by the government, since the robber would leave and not talk about all the great things that would be done with his money.

The truth is if the government was less intrusive, there would be more generosity by those who work, as they would have more to give. Yes, some would be greedy and not give at all, but why is that a government issue?

But the government and the poor don't like this. The government doesn't like it because private charity reduces government influence. The poor don't like it because private charities are more discerning in their giving, and many will require the poor to better themselves.

16 posted on 01/12/2012 5:28:01 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: johngalt42

Exactly, our founders never intended the “General Welfare” cluse to be used in the manner it is today, nor as compassionate conservatism.

... as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them.

17 posted on 01/12/2012 5:30:11 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: IbJensen

What is it then?

Is Santorum this “Big Government Conservative” we’ve been reading about, or is he the guy that wants to bring immediate cuts to Social Security and put grandma out on the street like what was reported last week? You can’t have it both ways here.

18 posted on 01/12/2012 5:31:12 AM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Ain’t necessarily true. Can you say “Santuckabee?”

How about "Hucktorum".

19 posted on 01/12/2012 5:32:37 AM PST by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: kosciusko51

Agreed. Some here might mistake that talk, however, for comm-u-nism!

If the gub’mint simply went back to its corner (and we had a Judeo-Christian culture) it would fall on the people to provide for one another. In fact, I would go so far as to say that if people are not doing that today, then they’re blind, wicked or stupid. Care for one another is as small as cooking a little extra for the elderly or shut-in down the block or across the road. Bringing people extra garden produce. Taking somebody to town for an appointment. Noting the grief, needs and lonliness of those around you and acting on those needs. Giving money where your conscience leads. Etc., etc., etc.

20 posted on 01/12/2012 5:34:55 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Soon to be a man without a country.)
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