Posted on 01/05/2012 8:50:47 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
01:06:40 NONE OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE FOR WEAK GOVERNMENT.
01:06:42 THEY WERE FOR LEAN GOVERNMENT THAT SPENT AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE AND THAT FOCUSED ITS POWER ON GETTING KEY THINGS DONE, BUT THEY WERE ALSO VERY PRAGMATIC AND THEY WERE FOR WHAT WORKED, AND I THINK THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY HAVE TO HAVE THAT DEBATE BUT INONE OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE FOR WEAK GOVERNMENT.
01:06:42 THEY WERE FOR LEAN GOVERNMENT THAT SPENT AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE AND THAT FOCUSED ITS POWER ON GETTING KEY THINGS DONE, BUT THEY WERE ALSO VERY PRAGMATIC AND THEY WERE FOR WHAT WORKED, AND I THINK THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY HAVE TO HAVE THAT DEBATE BUT I WOULD SEE NOTHING INAPPROPRIATE ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY LOOKING AT THE MUNICIPAL CASES AROUND THE COUNTRY, LOOKING AT THE CURRENT SITUATION, AND I WANT TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER BECAUSE I THINK IT'S CENTRAL TO THIS.
01:07:07 IF THE PEOPLE WHO GAVE THEMSELVES A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WHILE DEFRAUDING THEIR EMPLOYEES DID SO IN A KNOWING WAY, THEN FRANKLY, WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT ANY INDIVIDUAL PERSON IN THIS CITY, BUT AS A GENERAL PROVISION, THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING WHICH LEADS TO PROSECUTION, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HAVE -- YOU CANNOT DEFEND CAPITALISM IF IT IS THE ABILITY OF THE RICH AND POWERFUL TO EXPLOIT, LIE TO, AND RIP OFF EVERYBODY WHO WORKS FOR THEM OR INVESTS IN THEM.
01:07:34 THERE HAS TO BE A BASIC RULE OF HONESTY FOR CAPITALISM TO FUNCTION. WOULD SEE NOTHING INAPPROPRIATE ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY LOOKING AT THE MUNICIPAL CASES AROUND THE COUNTRY, LOOKING AT THE CURRENT SITUATION, AND I WANT TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER BECAUSE I THINK IT'S CENTRAL TO THIS.
01:07:07 IF THE PEOPLE WHO GAVE THEMSELVES A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WHILE DEFRAUDING THEIR EMPLOYEES DID SO IN A KNOWING WAY, THEN FRANKLY, WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT ANY INDIVIDUAL PERSON IN THIS CITY, BUT AS A GENERAL PROVISION, THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING WHICH LEADS TO PROSECUTION, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HAVE -- YOU CANNOT DEFEND CAPITALISM IF IT IS THE ABILITY OF THE RICH AND POWERFUL TO EXPLOIT, LIE TO, AND RIP OFF EVERYBODY WHO WORKS FOR THEM OR INVESTS IN THEM.
01:07:34 THERE HAS TO BE A BASIC RULE OF HONESTY FOR CAPITALISM TO FUNCTION.
Ahhhhh, no.
The sort of "capitalism" he is talking about that is "indefensible" is CRONY capitalism. Get it?
[ YOU CANNOT DEFEND CAPITALISM IF IT IS THE ABILITY OF THE RICH AND POWERFUL TO EXPLOIT, LIE TO, AND RIP OFF EVERYBODY WHO WORKS FOR THEM OR INVESTS IN THEM ]
Crony Capitalism only works when the government can pick winners and losers via Regulations and Taxes that are applied unequally... Ie. the situation we have today.
G.E. can afford to hire enough lawyers to fit the whole company through the head of a needle sized loophole. But a small to medium sized business cannot economically afford to do that to avoid the same laws that are supposed to “punish rich companies like G.E.”. So the laws that are meant and sold to the public to “Punish the evil big guys like G.E.” and actually USED by G.E. to keep down any upstarts that could challenge them fairly if we actually lived in a free market.
The same goes for any of the Giant Multinationals like Monsanto, G.M., G.E. etc etc.... The Laws that are sold to the public as a way to “punish” them end up being used to squash competition.
“Yes, the founders were not for weak government. That is, they were FOR something stronger than the Articles of Confederation. But, they were NOT FOR an imperial King-George-Like National government, like we have today.”
Thanks God for some sanity on here.
Gingrich was exactly correct on his comment about the Founders vis a vis The Articles of Confederation.
Or, as Rush said yesterday....
bttt
Wouldn’t it be more effective to tell us why we should support your candidate rather than spreading Romney intel?
Pray for America
“If Newty boy was right about the founders wanting Strong government”
Gingrich didn’t say what you just said...he said, “The founders were not for weak government”
He is exactly correct.
Yes, “Really”!
Please, tell us, who else has stepped up to punch Obama in the Mouth?
Newt was back at it last night!
Mittwits trying to slam Newt....with this?
Romneybots should get a brain.
Beck is using this for his soundbites to nuke Newt this morning on his radio show.
Just like when Chase, Wells Fargo, BofA & Citi, all exploited, lied to and rip off all those sub-prime customers.
Good thing government sponsored Freddy & Fannie where there to ensure Capitalism was not corrupted in any way or fashion.
Newt is not exactly correct. The first government was weak. Way to weak to survive.
The Founders prior to the constitution were running a new government that was much to weak to get anything done. They could not even muster enough power to pay the veterans of the Revolution who were themselves talking about an armed revolution against the new government if wrongs done them weren’t righted. George Washington himself said the government formed was too weak and would collapse if not given more power.
Granted – even the biggest supporter of a more powerful government in the 1780s was not envisioning anything close to the government we have today.
But regardless, I am more concerned with quotes from Newt like this one, “The Progressive movement soundly changed America for the better”. Newt
There is a huge difference between holding people to the rule of law and Obama’s (and Rino) socialist, croney capitalist ideology.
It illegal to for corporate representatives to lie, scam and steal from investors in order to enrich themselves and thier pals and that is what the banks did when they knowingly gave out bad loans and then turned around and sold those loans as an investment to others.
Theft is what the politicans did when they cooked up the real estate scam with the banksters. They should all be prosecuted for corruption, misrepresenting and stealing.
You can not have free markets if politicans and business leaders are not held to the rule of law like everyone else. Part of business is honesty - you can’t lie about the value and financial condition of your business to investors in order to scam them.
Currently we have penalities for failure and theft apply to everyone but the elite with connections. The scammers get bailouts for their bad faith and are not being prosecuted for crimes. The politicians who cooked up the scam get protection from the corporate media and the money they need to be reelected.
I just don’t understand the man crush on Newt all of a sudden by those on FR and from those in the TEA party. You could not get a kind word from a Freeper about Newt when Cain and Perry were on top and Newt was in the single digits. It’s one thing to have to support the guy because no one else has caught fire. But it’s quite another to get amnesia about all the reasons you did not like Newt a few months ago. And now with Santorum the latest non-Romney candidate to catch fire, you are starting to see how truly loyal the new Newt followers really were. They are storming over to the Santorum camp.
They were for LIMITED government, not WEAK government.
“Newt is not exactly correct.”
Actually, he was exactly correct. The Articles failed and it was obvious that it failed due to being too weak to function properly.
So, stating that the Founders weren’t for weak government is accurate. The Founders envisioned a divided and limited government, not a weak one.
He (Gingrich) lost his lead because of millions of $$$$ in negative ads by Romney and Paul and lies from Bachmann, while Santorum was ignored.
I guess you haven't been listening to Santorums stump speeches.
To me that is an excuse. It may explain his slump in IA, but it doesn’t cover his decline nationally. The smartest man in the room should have known to stay on topic and keep hitting Obummer. He instead headed into obscure histrionics of the 9th circuit and the judiciary when this is a straight up economy election. It made no sense to people out of work or in trouble in this bad economy. Newt has problems staying on message.
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