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Palin: GOP Should Not Alienate Ron Paul Voters
NewsMax ^ | Jan. 4, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 01/04/2012 1:16:42 PM PST by La Enchiladita

Sarah Palin said she wasn't surprised at Rick Santorum's success in Iowa, and warned that the GOP should not take Ron Paul's supporters lightly.

Speaking on Fox News before Iowa's final numbers were in, she called Santorum "spot-on" with his policies toward Iran and praised his "social conservative" positions.

Her strongest comments came for Paul, however, saying "the GOP had better not marginalize Ron Paul and his supporters after this" because "a lot of Americans are war-weary and we are broke" and Paul has reached that constituency well. She warned that the GOP "better work with them."

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To: cripplecreek; traditional1

You have learned well from watching the past 6 months of republican debates. Mis-state your opponents position then attack it. Ad-hominem works good too.


51 posted on 01/04/2012 1:48:46 PM PST by ngat
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To: Seaplaner

“As I see it, a lot of Ron Paul “supporters” are actually Obama supporters trying to sew seeds of diversion and division.”

You see it wrong.


52 posted on 01/04/2012 1:49:37 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: ngat

Too bad you aren’t bright enough to figure out that Ron Paul runs for no other reason than to help elect the GOP beltway choice again and again and again.

He’s an intentional spoiler.


53 posted on 01/04/2012 1:51:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: justlurking

Just for you

I heard her on FOX at the first of the week shilling for Paul.

I excused that as trying to be “fair and balance”

But now she seems to have jumped the shark.

Even PAUL says he doesn’t see himself in the oval office.
Does he plan on working out of the Stormfront offices?

FISCAL policies. WHAT fiscal policies.
He’s going to cut a couple of trillion the first year. And just how does he plan on doing that?
disband the military. While ending any and all social programs. Maybe nationalize the oil industry. That’s what all Libertarian Communist think solves problems.


54 posted on 01/04/2012 1:51:33 PM PST by marty60
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Pree-cisely. I have seen the R. Paul supporters and they are the Birkenstock crowd, who have -— btw -— been in evidence at “Occupy” events.


55 posted on 01/04/2012 1:51:43 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Just remember this, if we do not cut the budget by at least a trillion a year, right now, we will not be able to afford an aggressive foreign policy.


56 posted on 01/04/2012 1:52:40 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Paladin2
My understanding is that Rue Paul adds all sorts of earmarks to legislation, then votes against the bill giving plausible denialability. Quite the hypocrite.

Paul has indeed defended earmarks, and has even advocated expansion of them. I'm not quite sure of his rationale for it.

But at least in today's environment, it's irresponsible. One analogy that I read long ago was that being elected to Congress was like being given an American Express Card.

You could spend as much or as little as you wanted, but you only had to pay 1/435th of the bill.

If you spent extravagantly, you only paid 1/435th of the bill. If you spent nothing at all, you still paid 1/435th of the bill.

It's a big simplification, but it's a good way to demonstrate how it doesn't encourage fiscal responsibility.

57 posted on 01/04/2012 1:53:29 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Kazan

Yes, and don’t forget Dr. Paul’s recent stated desire to enjoin the Taliban in kumbaya fashion. I would call that going beyond “war weariness.”


58 posted on 01/04/2012 1:54:13 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: Paladin2

well, who are you supporting?- im all ears and willing to listen to you.. all i can tell you is that i wont support Milt at all, ( mabe newt)..


59 posted on 01/04/2012 1:55:12 PM PST by chicken head
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To: ngat
"Mis-state your opponents position"

I have no "opponent" in the race, nor do I have a favorite.

Ron Paul is a nutcase, followed by nutcases, and followed by Democrats who vote Democrat, but show up to egg him on.

Peaceniks and old Hippies make up the bulk of his voterbase, and if you THINK he's Presidential material, seek professional help.

60 posted on 01/04/2012 1:56:08 PM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: La Enchiladita

And if Paul runs on a Libertarian ticket, as you imply he should, because his supporters have been driven from the GOP, as you suggest they should be, that will guarentee four our years of Obama.


61 posted on 01/04/2012 1:57:14 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: La Enchiladita

And if Paul runs on a Libertarian ticket, as you imply he should, because his supporters have been driven from the GOP, as you suggest they should be, that will guarentee four more years of Obama.


62 posted on 01/04/2012 1:57:26 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well I sympathize with the Paul voter in not wanting war.
However war is coming, just look at what is happening in the world! The Middle East is NOT headed for an era of “Good Feelings & Friendly Relations With its Neighbors” it doesn't matter if Israel in there or not! An expansionist Iran with nuclear weapons is in the near future unless there is a regime change. Anyone think that will happen peacefully if at all? And I also think they are so close to having nuclear weapons that it no longer matters who is President. I think that genie is out of the bottle. Look for Saudi Arabia, Iraq & Turkey to cut “deals” with Iran. This will give them only a temporary respite. Look for Iran to close the Straits of Hormuz and dare the West to do something. I doubt it there is anything that can be done. The cat is too far out of the bag!
Let's consider the rest of the world, Europe is about to possibly go unstable. Southern Europe which is 4 out of the 5 PIIGS is particularly vulnerable. The upcoming Tunisa-Libya-Egypt (Morocco will be next!) turmoil is very likely to contribute to Southern Europe's woes.

It doesn't matter if we stick our fingers in our ears and go “ la la la”, its coming ! We don't have to look for it its coming to us. The question is, do we put someone in office who wants to play “Let's pretend it isn't so?”. We are doing the “Reality is optional approach now! How is that working for you?” It doesn't matter if we support Israel or not it is still coming! (Anyway I am completely convinced before my lifetime is out we will see a second Holocaust! Antisemitism is too wide spread and “socially acceptable” again for it not to happen!)
Right now its has the feel of the 1920s to 1930s, one could argue we just had our “Roaring 20s” and we are in a beginning to mid-stage depression era.

63 posted on 01/04/2012 1:58:42 PM PST by Reily
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To: La Enchiladita

I understand what Palin is saying here, she wants Republicans to unite together for whoever the nominee will end up being, but Ron Paul supporters are not regular Republicans, the majority of them are Democrats, yeah there might be a few Republicans mixed in but who cares where they end up going. Ron Paul showed last night that his campaign will go no where, he will get 3-4 percent of the vote, really not enough to make a huge dent in the general election so there is no reason to be concerned about where they end up going


64 posted on 01/04/2012 1:59:04 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: La Enchiladita

In the interest of fairness the GOP needs to alienate Willard Rinomney,too.


65 posted on 01/04/2012 1:59:14 PM PST by Leep
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To: roamer_1

Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.


66 posted on 01/04/2012 1:59:14 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: marty60
I heard her on FOX at the first of the week shilling for Paul.

Coming from you, I'm guessing that she really said that Paul had some good points about fiscal policy, and you filled in the rest.

Even PAUL says he doesn’t see himself in the oval office. Does he plan on working out of the Stormfront offices?

To quote a famous conservative, "there you go again".

Are you capable of posting anything without being insulting or inflammatory? Do you not understand that when people push back, you can't cry foul, because you instigated it?

In real life, you must be either a real pain, or bury all your anger for all those imagined slights so that you can lash out anonymously at your target of the day.

67 posted on 01/04/2012 2:00:21 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Do you personally know a Paul supporter who is a Democrat? I don’t. The Dems I know hate libertarianism more than they hate conservatism.


68 posted on 01/04/2012 2:00:56 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork; La Enchiladita

NO, a 3rd party Paul run is the best thing that could happen to us, because a lot of his supporters are actually extreme leftist Dem “youth.” He’s big with the OWS people and they love all of his attitudes, including his pro-Palestinian stuff and his claim that the US was behind 9/11.

That would leave the sane people in the GOP to select their candidate, and would also take many of Bambi’s disenchanted Dem voters.

That said, what in the world is Palin thinking? I used to like her. I was never a fanatic, but I thought she was dynamic, smart and conservative - and now I’m beginning to wonder about the last two. She has sure come out with some odd statements lately.


69 posted on 01/04/2012 2:03:10 PM PST by livius
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To: justlurking

“Paul has indeed defended earmarks, and has even advocated expansion of them. I’m not quite sure of his rationale for it.”

Because the Constitution give Congress, not the Executive, the power to spend money


70 posted on 01/04/2012 2:03:10 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork
"that will guarentee four our years of Obama"

LOL

Third Party voting for The Ralien?

You should blame the Paulbot nutcases who vote for him, in lieu of a legitimate Contender. The Paulbots can't vote for anyone else, lest they lose their "status" as "Libertarians".

71 posted on 01/04/2012 2:03:25 PM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: Daveinyork

The only libertarians I have known have been former Democrats. Even the Dem Party requires too much in the way of responsibility for their taste. They are liberals who do not want to pay taxes.


72 posted on 01/04/2012 2:03:41 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Newt says amnesty isn't amnesty.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
I understand what Palin is saying here, she wants Republicans to unite together for whoever the nominee will end up being [...]

That's how I read her statement, too. And it's what I've been trying to say for the past few months.

There's already been one thread on this article/statement, and I'll repeat what I posted there:

She is trying to warn the Republicans to not disregard Ron Paul's supporters. You probably don't agree with everything they believe in, but you probably agree with some of it -- specially their fiscal concerns.

The primary reason that a liberal like Romney is doing so well in the Republican primaries is because the conservatives and libertarians can't set aside their differences on other issues and work together on the fiscal issues. And frankly, the fiscal issues are the most important right now. If they aren't addressed in the next few years, the US is going the way of Greece.

How do you work together? You can start by ending the personal attacks on each other.

73 posted on 01/04/2012 2:04:35 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Seaplaner
As I see it, a lot of Ron Paul "supporters" are actually Obama supporters trying to sew seeds of diversion and division.

Yup, many are. Also, you can be be so extreme to the right that you actually meet the extreme left...

Obama is 8:45 - 9:30 (socialism is at 9:00)

Rush Limbaugh is 3:15

John McCain, Romney and Snowe are 7:00

Newt, Santorum(sp), Bachmann are between 3:00 and 4:00

Bill Clinton = 8:00-8:30

Jimmy Carter 8:45

Ron Paul is at 12:00 extremist (he's getting the extremists from both sides.

Ron Paul has the anti-war leftists (many I think will end up voting for Obama because of Ron Paul's "extreme" right stance on social programs.

Ron Paul also gets the support from the 1:00 constitutionalists who (like my-self and many here) believe Social Security is against the Constitution.

Question is, as a third party candidate who would Ron Paul hurt more, Obama or the republican. I tend to think he'd take more of our votes than he would take from Obama.

Like you say "a lot of Ron Paul "supporters" are actually Obama supporters trying to sew seeds of diversion and division."

I don't see the leftist support voting against social programs.

74 posted on 01/04/2012 2:04:54 PM PST by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: La Enchiladita

bump for later


75 posted on 01/04/2012 2:05:03 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: cripplecreek

So you actually think Ron Paul cleverly runs on the libertarian version so he can help the GOP beltway choice?

Too bad you aren’t bright enough to figure out that Ron Paul runs for no other reason than to help keep the libertarian ideal alive and out in front of the public, rather than for a nefarious vote-splitting purpose.


76 posted on 01/04/2012 2:05:07 PM PST by ngat
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To: La Enchiladita

I know a lot of Republicans who are former Democrats, who don’t like paying taxes. Your point is?


77 posted on 01/04/2012 2:06:07 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: ngat

Yeah I do.

Now go away boy I’m done arguing with a child.


78 posted on 01/04/2012 2:06:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: chicken head

All politicians are disappointing, some much more than others.


79 posted on 01/04/2012 2:06:56 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: justlurking

DES MOINES, Iowa — Republican Ron Paul, a leading contender in Iowa’s presidential caucuses, said Monday on the eve of the leadoff 2012 vote that he does not envision himself in the White House.
The Texas congressman, near the top of the polls in Iowa, said the odds of him winning are slim and admitted that the path to the nomination was unclear without a strong performance in Iowa and the New Hampshire primary next week.
When asked Monday during an ABC News interview in Des Moines whether he sees himself in the Oval Office, Paul replied: “Not really, but I think it’s a possibility.”
He added: “I don’t deceive myself. You know what the odds are. The odds have been slim.”

DON’T YOU EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR OWN CANDIDATE. I guess ole ron is more in touch with reality than his followers.


80 posted on 01/04/2012 2:09:11 PM PST by marty60
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To: Daveinyork
Because the Constitution give Congress, not the Executive, the power to spend money

The problem I see is that the Constitution doesn't give Congress the power to spend money on themselves.

And no matter how you spin it, that's what earmarks are.

81 posted on 01/04/2012 2:09:11 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Reily
"Right now its has the feel of the 1920s to 1930s, one could argue we just had our “Roaring 20s” and we are in a beginning to mid-stage depression era."

Well said.

There is NO STOPPING the Muslim pursuit of "Infidels", and Jews are the number 1 target, followed by Americans. To think that it won't come to pass that another "Religious War" will happen is to ignore what's really happening. China will NOT allow oil countries to be taken, period. Likewise, we are so indebted to Chinese money that they won't take kindly to us not being able to pay, either.

82 posted on 01/04/2012 2:09:36 PM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: traditional1

A lot of Republicans will either vote for Paul, or stay home, if the GOP nominates someone who does not promise to dramatically cut government. I will stay home if Romney gets the nomination. I’m as tired of Republicans who grow government as I am of Dems who do it. If you’re so fond of big government, join the Nazi or Commie party. They’ll accomodate you adequately.


83 posted on 01/04/2012 2:10:23 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Seaplaner
As I see it, a lot of Ron Paul "supporters" are actually Obama supporters trying to sew seeds of diversion and division.

A lot of Ron Paul supporters are America-first, small-government activists who we need in the Republican party. I would vote for Ron Paul ahead of Mitt. People on FR dismiss the "Paul-bots", but one thing you CANNOT deny is that Paul has some pretty passionate people rooting for him, people that the Repubs will NEED in the General Election.

84 posted on 01/04/2012 2:10:32 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Yeah I do.”

Shows what a stupid old woman you are.


85 posted on 01/04/2012 2:12:09 PM PST by ngat
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To: Utmost Certainty

She lost a lot of respect I had for her.....


86 posted on 01/04/2012 2:12:30 PM PST by goat granny
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To: La Enchiladita

Good for Palin.

The message was sent loud and clear in Iowa: 44 percent of Independents who participated voted for Ron Paul, as did every age demographic under 40 by wide margins, as did those who voted for the “True Conservative” in the race and those who voted because of government spending and the budget deficit.

The Ron Paul supporters message is this: no more wasteful and expensive neocon foreign wars for “dumbocracy,” no more neocon foreign wars that young people are expected to fight and pay for, no more wasteful big government spending programs in the name of “compassionate conservatism,” no more Wall Street bailouts for hedge fund managers, no more “No Child Left Behind” nonsense, etc.

Young people and Independents are on board with the Constitution, with the family, with states’ rights, with limited government, with opposing the welfare state, with the ideal of liberty and personal freedom ... NOT on board with a soaring national debt, with endless wars in the Middle East, with the Wall Street bailout, with government spending on utopian schemes like “No Child Left Behind,” with the Pentagon/HHS welfare/warfare state.

The neocon globalists like Newt Gingrich who believe American foreign policy should be a game of Risk with young people saddling up to go fight WW3 to bring on Armageddon (or for women’s rights and democracy in Iraq or Iran or Vietnam) are no longer the mainstream.


87 posted on 01/04/2012 2:12:39 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: chicken head

I agree with all you said and I am in the same boat with one exception, Newt. To me Newt is acceptable. Last time Newt was in power he governed as a conservative, so I am OK with Newt. Not happy but I think (hope) Newt would be OK.


88 posted on 01/04/2012 2:13:29 PM PST by jpsb
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To: traditional1

Your insulting post makes me wonder if you aren’t a nutcase.


89 posted on 01/04/2012 2:15:14 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

I’d be interested to know what chunk of our armed services support Paul, and why.


90 posted on 01/04/2012 2:15:47 PM PST by txhurl (Perry/Pence 2012 OR Perry/Ryan 2012 or even better Perry/Abbott 2012!)
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To: Daveinyork; All
Just remember this, if we do not cut the budget by at least a trillion a year, right now, we will not be able to afford an aggressive foreign policy.

Bachmann and Santorum were both for Constitutionally requiring a balanced budget every year.

Here is Rick's position on Spending Cuts and Entitlements Reform:

RESTORING AMERICA’S GREATNESS PROMOTING FREEDOM AND OPPORTUNITY

Reining in Spending and Reforming Government Entitlements for Sustainable and Better Solutions for America’s Families and Future

Living Within Our Means: Cutting $5 trillion over 5 years

Spending Core Principles

* Live within our means so that America, our families, and our future generations will have a brighter future unburdened with oppressive debt and high taxation.
* Prioritize our national security and defense
* Refocus the federal government on constitutional priorities and parameters
* Consolidate duplicative programs and agencies
* Promote competition for provision of essential services
* Eliminate outdated, ineffective, and wasteful programs
* Empower State and Local Governments through partnership, block grants, and reserving functions for the States
* Reform and Modernize Medicare since reducing healthcare costs is a prerequisite for our long term success and economic strength
* Reforming Social Security which is essential for solvency, sustainability, and real retirement security

Proposals

* Commit to cut $5 trillion of federal spending within 5 years.
* Implement Strong America Now reform through Lean Six Sigma management process as a key engine for cutting government waste and improving efficiency.
* Immediately reduce federal (non-defense discretionary spending) to 2008 levels through across the board spending cuts.
* Freeze defense spending levels for 5 years and reject automatic cuts.
* Freeze spending levels for social programs for 5 years such as Medicaid, Housing, Education, Job Training, and Food Stamps, time limit restrictions, and block grant to the States like in Welfare Reform.
* Repeal and Replace ObamaCare with market based healthcare innovation and competition to improve America’s and Americans health, control costs, improve quality and access, and to keep and create jobs which provide resources for healthcare.
* Pass a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution capping government spending at 18% of GDP so that Congress and the President will need to balance the budget like Governors are required to do.
* Pass legislation to reform the Congressional Budget Process and support legislation to require Congress to pass constitutionally required spending bills on time or not get paid the next fiscal year.
* Implement Medicare Reforms and Innovation proposed by Congressman Paul Ryan and speed up their implementation to control healthcare costs and improve quality.
* Reform Social Security and place on a sustainable path by a combination of reforms such as addressing adjusting CPI, dependent benefits and disability income benefits reforms, moving back the retirement age for younger workers, means testing benefits, annual adjustments as needed, and dedicating Social Security payroll taxes to Social Security.
* Implement reforms and cost savings of up to $100 billion in March 2011 GAO report requested by Senator Coburn listing 34 areas of duplication and waste.
* Stop implementation of any remaining federal stimulus spending.
* Freeze pay for non-defense related federal employees for four years, cut workforce by 10% with no compensatory increase in contract workforce, and phase out defined benefit plans for newer workers.
* Eliminate all energy subsidies and most agriculture subsidies within four years.
* Eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood and use half of the dollars to support adoption instead.
* Cut EPA resources for job killing regulations and return focus to commonsense conservation and safe and clean air and water.
* Cut in half the number of State Department USAID employees and US funding for United Nations programs.
* Eliminate funding for implementation of Dodd/Frank regulatory burdens.
* Eliminate funding for implementation of ObamaCare.
* Cut funding for National Labor Relations Board for decision preventing airplane factory in South Carolina.
* Eliminating funding for United Nations’ agencies which oppose America’s interests and promote abortion and cut the US contribution to the UN in half.
* Phase out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac within five years.
* Sell unproductive and wasteful federal properties.
* Transition Team will review all spending cut proposals and restructuring reforms of the Heritage Foundation, CATO Institute, American Enterprise Institute, and the Simpson-Bowles Commission for additional savings.
91 posted on 01/04/2012 2:15:51 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Daveinyork
"A lot of Republicans will either vote for Paul, or stay home"

LOL

I don't think 2 dozen people staying home will sway the outcome of the 2012 General Election, myself.

92 posted on 01/04/2012 2:15:51 PM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: La Enchiladita

Party failure retries to be bigshot.


93 posted on 01/04/2012 2:16:48 PM PST by onedoug
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To: La Enchiladita

Hold a two for one bong sale on election days and the Paulbots will miss the polls.

Their support is about as far reaching as Howard Dean’s minions in Iowa in 2004.


94 posted on 01/04/2012 2:17:33 PM PST by Fledermaus (It's now clear the GOP establishment is incapable of governing and should resign.)
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To: Daveinyork
"Your insulting post makes me wonder if you aren’t a nutcase"

Spoken like a true Paulbot.

Myself, I won't stay home on voting day, even if Romney is the Chosen One and makes it (as planned by the RNC) to the ticket.

I would NEVER stay home on Election Day.

95 posted on 01/04/2012 2:19:56 PM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: justlurking
"I'm not quite sure of his rationale for it."

His rational is that if the money is earmarked the money goes where it was intended to go. If not the money goes into a general "slush fund" that the administration can spend anyway it wants.

96 posted on 01/04/2012 2:20:21 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Paladin2

I know- thats my point. we are Broke, we have massive unemployment, and wars without end. I know exactly what sarah means about war weary. The anti- war canidate will probally win- but i thought that a Libertarian was futher to the right than a republican?-


97 posted on 01/04/2012 2:20:21 PM PST by chicken head
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To: livius

There were plenty of conservatives who (1) are not fond of Wall Street and (2) who believed the Wall Street bailout was a bad idea.

Why should Wall Street get a massive federal bailout? How is that conservative? What does that say to people - not the OWS crowd, but to ordinary people who work for a living - that Goldman Sachs is “too big to fail,” but not the man who has lost his manufacturing job because of outsourcing?


98 posted on 01/04/2012 2:21:27 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: La Enchiladita

I think Paul would not be poling as well as he has if he was only getting nutcase support. I think he’s poling as well as he does because he’s the only candidate who specifically promises to cxut the government, and remembers which department he plans to eliminate. I hope Santorum will be the remedy for this. If I’m right, Santorum will drain away most of that support from Paul. He won’t if he insults them for having supported paul.


99 posted on 01/04/2012 2:22:10 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: traditional1

“Myself, I won’t stay home on voting day, even if Romney is the Chosen One and makes it (as planned by the RNC) to the ticket.”

I’m not surprised, and that’s why we can’t stop the growth of government, and the elimination of our Constitutional liberties.


100 posted on 01/04/2012 2:24:27 PM PST by Daveinyork
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