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Shocking Poll on Socialism in America
Fox Nation ^ | 29 Dec 2011 | Bernie Becker,

Posted on 12/29/2011 3:53:07 PM PST by mandaladon

While capitalism received a largely favorable response, Pew also found that at least 25 percent of respondents across all age groups, races, income levels and ideologies were dismissive of capitalism.

Tea Party sympathizers, conservative Republicans and those making more than $75,000 a year were the most likely to respond positively, while slightly more than half of blacks and Hispanics took the opposite view.

Almost 50 percent of those aged 18 to 29, those making less than $30,000 a year and Occupy Wall Street backers also had an unfavorable reaction to capitalism.

A majority of blacks and liberal Democrats, meanwhile, reacted positively to socialism. But while reactions to capitalism were fairly consistent across all age groups, 18-to-29-year-olds were more than three times more likely (49 percent to 13 percent) to endorse socialism than those older than 65.

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A majority of blacks and liberal Democrats, meanwhile, reacted positively to socialism...............Obama's followers
1 posted on 12/29/2011 3:53:13 PM PST by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon
18-to-29-year-olds were more than three times more likely (49 percent to 13 percent) to endorse socialism than those older than 65.

Proving what Winston Churchill said, "Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head."

2 posted on 12/29/2011 3:56:44 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

I guess I was heartless then...


3 posted on 12/29/2011 3:59:09 PM PST by DB
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To: mandaladon

Socialism works great until you run out of Chinese money.


4 posted on 12/29/2011 3:59:47 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: DB

If you support socialism in America, you stop being an American.


5 posted on 12/29/2011 4:00:36 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: mandaladon

I’ve spoken to many people who do not understand the vast differences between the types of policies. Definitions escape them. They do not understand that government getting into bed with banks and big business is a form or fascism - not capitalism. Ignorance abounds. It’s why I hate the term Crony Capitalism. It’s confusing to more people than you can imagine.


6 posted on 12/29/2011 4:01:33 PM PST by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

I’ve met lots of them. Supposedly well-educated college graduates who praise the European model. When you press them, they just say the government “should” pay for my health care, “should” pay for my college, and so forth. Ask them where the government will get the money and they’ll say the government has plenty of money or can just print more. Despite the college education, they are completely ignorant of the basic principles of economics.


7 posted on 12/29/2011 4:01:39 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
I suggest that parents give less money to their college-age/voting-age children and tell them that they have to cut back because their taxes are going up, and that the liberals in academia are raising tuition costs.
8 posted on 12/29/2011 4:03:00 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: mandaladon

Let’s see now - - - 25 % like Socialism, 99% are the OWS in Obamavilles, 47 % pay no personal FIT, and the rest don’t like anybody very much!


9 posted on 12/29/2011 4:03:01 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: bigdirty

Oh come on. I’ve been home from work for two weeks. I’ve played with my family, watched tv, and done some puttering. I’ve put on a couple pounds. It’s been awesome. If someone would pay my bills, I wouldn’t go back to work.

Of course, that’s a big if, since I’ve been paying others’ bills for half a century. Still, if you were to poll me, I’d raise my hand for MeTV and bloody mary’s. That’s the fun of polls — they have no consequences.


10 posted on 12/29/2011 4:04:59 PM PST by wizwor
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To: mandaladon

Blacks and Hispanics? That figures. Does anything else needs to be said?


11 posted on 12/29/2011 4:09:58 PM PST by Logical me
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To: mandaladon

They left has been working for this for many years. Not surprising at all.


12 posted on 12/29/2011 4:10:35 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11A)
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To: mandaladon
Plenty of our fellow citizens agree with Marxist philosophy: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Sean Hannity makes this point quite often in his man on the street interviews.

13 posted on 12/29/2011 4:12:14 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: mandaladon

I’m shocked that the percentage of Americans who want socialism is only 25%.


14 posted on 12/29/2011 4:13:10 PM PST by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: mandaladon

THIS is why Obama won’t be easy to beat in November. This country has gotten so “gimme happy” I wonder if we can ever recover.


15 posted on 12/29/2011 4:14:33 PM PST by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

That was my first thought (Churchill’s quote) when I read this..


16 posted on 12/29/2011 4:15:58 PM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: mandaladon
Socialism is when the purpose of government is to mandate or manage a society so strictly that desired social outcomes are achieved. To do this, an overarching economic control is required — communism, fascism, despotism or totalitarianism. This can also take the form of the tyranny of the majority through a locked in social-democrat party system.

The correct contrast to socialism is a free society where the goal of government is to stay limited, establish general order and to allow free interaction of its citizens. It can be done with limited government of modest cost. It needs no special funding and freedom of individual commerce and individual industry is generally termed capitalism — a term popularized by Marx is describing its supposed evils.

The poll is dishonest in its choices. The true question is: Which do you want, socialism or free society?

17 posted on 12/29/2011 4:16:03 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: mandaladon

More proof that we need a divorce. I just wish that we could get on with it and get it over with.


18 posted on 12/29/2011 4:16:47 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: mandaladon

Thank your public school down the block, the receiving pen universities, and the orchestration trough of academia for such results.

These Marxist led institutions resume in January, continuing, unabated, to working over young Americans, so we can continue lazily to wonder what the heck happened to our country. Their agenda is not even slowed, let alone stopped. Ever.


19 posted on 12/29/2011 4:17:07 PM PST by RitaOK (wRasmussen- the polling standard for accuracy.)
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To: mandaladon
The framing of the question by Pew
has skewed the answer.

The word Capitalism is a pejorative word
created by Marxists to describe Freedom and Liberty.

The poll would have had a different outcome if they had
asked if they wanted Freedom or Liberty.

Pew research is a PROGRESSIVE polling operation.


20 posted on 12/29/2011 4:20:10 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: mandaladon
The problem is simple... The communists from the 1930s got into government, and they raised their children with the same beliefs they had. That generation went to school in the 1950s and 1960s, and they stayed in school! But by then, they were teachers, working hard to indoctrinate the next generations.

By now there have been at least 2 generations that have been taught by these communists, who have effectively hidden the evils of their system. This does not bode well for the future.

The problem is that socialism and communism seem like good ideas if you're ignorant of the actual meanings of their platitudes, combined with the belief that everything they do is terrific.

Capitalism is hard. It requires thought and work. Why would someone with no work ethic or willingness to learn on their own ever want to be a part of the capitalist system. Especially when you start talking about "fairness." After all, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" sounds like an idyllic lifestyle. At least until one realizes that the true meaning of that statement is, "from each according to his ability to serve the State, to each according to his need, in service of the State." They one begins to realize that this is actually slavery.

The next time you hear someone say that socialism is a great theory, but hasn't been put into practice properly (yet), tell them that it has... If they want to see a perfected socialist/communist society, simply take a look at an ant colony or a bee hive. Then ask them if that's really the way they want to live as a human being.

Mark

21 posted on 12/29/2011 4:20:17 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: mandaladon

We’re not teaching Capitalism in schools.

What do you want me to say?

The citizens of this nation don’t understand how it works or where it came from.

So what do you expect?


22 posted on 12/29/2011 4:25:55 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: mandaladon

I wonder how long this poll or similar polls have been taken, and I wonder when the high water mark for pro-socialist responses was.


23 posted on 12/29/2011 4:31:50 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: JediJones
Despite the college education, they are completely ignorant of the basic principles of economics.

And so are their liberal professors.

24 posted on 12/29/2011 4:34:28 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Maceman
I’m shocked that the percentage of Americans who want socialism is only 25%.

In the old USSR only about 10 percent of the population were members of the Communist Party. We are in deeper trouble than we can imagine if these numbers are anywhere near true.

25 posted on 12/29/2011 4:37:02 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: MarkL
Capitalism is hard. It requires thought and work.............I think you hit the nail in the head.
26 posted on 12/29/2011 4:37:28 PM PST by mandaladon (PalinGenesis)
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To: mandaladon

Society has done a good job of teaching young people that they are “owed” something. Gone are the days of teaching that hard work reaps rewards.


27 posted on 12/29/2011 4:39:47 PM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: DB
I guess I was heartless then...

No, just wise beyond your years! :-)

28 posted on 12/29/2011 4:40:06 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: Logical me

The permanent underclass (which includes a growing number of whites) doesn’t understand that their freebies come from the taxes on capitalists; we have the wealthiest, fattest poor people on the planet IN SPITE OF socialism.


29 posted on 12/29/2011 4:43:22 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: JediJones
Because of Despite the college education, they are completely ignorant of the basic principles of economics.

Fixed it for you.

30 posted on 12/29/2011 4:55:45 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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To: JediJones
Here's a different read on that....lol...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/princeton-brews-trouble-us-1-000000782.html ..

Read the comment section too!!

31 posted on 12/29/2011 5:10:19 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: mandaladon

And we musn’t forget the one added benefit is the inevitable police state. How else can you enforce onerous regulations and confiscatory taxation?


32 posted on 12/29/2011 5:10:19 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: mandaladon

It’s more than 25%. Just try to take away Social Security and Medicare to watch how many cry foul for screwing with their favorite Socialist programs.


33 posted on 12/29/2011 5:13:51 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: Logical me

.................Blacks and Hispanics? That figures. Does anything else needs to be said?..................

Yes I’d like to say something.

Moved to Texas from RI two years ago. Down here in southern Texas, of all the folks I’ve hired to rebuild my house, the Mexicans owning or working for a contracting firm are the hardest workers, and take great pride in their trade, much greater than the whites.

In RI, the large Portugese population had an incredible work ethic. Dad would hand his paycheck to Mom, and bust his butt to make as much money as he could. I had a team of boatbuilders rehab my sailing vessel, and the quality of the Portugese workers was incredible, even though all I could do was to gesture or sketch out what I wanted done to the one guy who semi spoke english.

Yeah there’s lazy hispanics and blacks, but there’s lots of lazy whites in the 99% OWS crowds.


34 posted on 12/29/2011 5:13:55 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Graewoulf

They’re rioting in Africa
They’re starving in Spain
There’s hurricanes in Florida
and Texas needs rain!

The whole world is festering with unhappy souls,
The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles
Italians hate Yugoslavs..
South Africans hate the Dutch

AND I DON’T LIKE ANYBODY VERY MUCH!

But we can be thankful and tranquil and proud
for mans been endowed with a mushroom shaped cloud
and we know for certain that some lucky day
someone will set the spark off
AND WE WILL ALL BE BLOW AWAY!

(LOVE that song...hee hee)


35 posted on 12/29/2011 5:18:08 PM PST by Mama Shawna
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To: mandaladon
Not shocking at all!!!

For many decades now, America's founding ideas which produced liberty, opportunity, prosperity, and plenty were excluded from the textbooks and curriculum of the nation's schools. The term "capitalism" does not adequately describe the "economic dimension of liberty" it is intended to convey.

College and university professors, by and large, taught other ideas about economic matters, including the ideas which now dominate the current Administration's policies.

If America's youth had been taught the principles of liberty and the role of what Madison called a "benign" influence of government in a free society, this poll's results would be far different, as would the economic health of the nation.

The following essay is excerpted from "Our Ageless Constitution," a 292-page history of the ideas of liberty in America, again available after 20 years of being out of print.

Freedom Of Individual Enterprise

The Economic Dimension Of Liberty Protected By The Constitution

"Agriculture, manufactures, commerce, and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise." - Thomas Jefferson

"The enviable condition of the people of the United States is often too much ascribed to the physical advantages of their soil & climate .... But a just estimate of the happiness of our country will never overlook what belongs to the fertile activity of a free people and the benign influence of a responsible government." - James Madison

America's Constitution did not mention freedom of enterprise per se, but it did set up a system of laws to secure individual liberty and freedom of choice in keeping with Creator-endowed natural rights. Out of these, free enterprise flourished naturally. Even though the words "free enterprise' are not in the Constitution, the concept was uppermost in the minds of the Founders, typified by the remarks of Jefferson and Madison as quoted above. Already, in 1787, Americans were enjoying the rewards of individual enterprise and free markets. Their dedication was to securing that freedom for posterity.

The learned men drafting America's Constitution understood history - mankind's struggle against poverty and government oppression. And they had studied the ideas of the great thinkers and philosophers. They were familiar with the near starvation of the early Jamestown settlers under a communal production and distribution system and Governor Bradford's diary account of how all benefited after agreement that each family could do as it wished with the fruits of its own labors. Later, in 1776, Adam Smith's INQUIRY INTO THE NATURE AND CAUSES OF THE WEALTH OF NATIONS and Say's POLITICAL ECONOMY had come at just the right time and were perfectly compatible with the Founders' own passion for individual liberty. Jefferson said these were the best books to be had for forming governments based on principles of freedom. They saw a free market economy as the natural result of their ideal of liberty. They feared concentrations of power and the coercion that planners can use in planning other peoples lives; and they valued freedom of choice and acceptance of responsibility of the consequences of such choice as being the very essence of liberty. They envisioned a large and prosperous republic of free people, unhampered by government interference.

The Founders believed the American people, possessors of deeply rooted character and values, could prosper if left free to:

  • acquire and own property
  • have access to free markets
  • produce what they wanted
  • work for whom and at what they wanted
  • travel and live where they would choose
  • acquire goods and services which they desired

Such a free market economy was, to them, the natural result of liberty, carried out in the economic dimension of life. Their philosophy tend­ed to enlarge individual freedom - not to restrict or diminish the individual's right to make choices and to succeed or fail based on those choices. The economic role of their Constitutional government was simply to secure rights and encourage commerce. Through the Constitution, they granted their government some very limited powers to:

Adam Smith called it "the system of natural liberty." James Madison referred to it as "the benign influence of a responsible government." Others have called it the free enterprise system. By whatever name it is called, the economic system envisioned by the Founders and encouraged by the Constitution allowed individual enterprise to flourish and triggered the greatest explosion of economic progress in all of history. Americans became the first people truly to realize the economic dimension of liberty.


Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III:  ISBN 0-937047-01-5

36 posted on 12/29/2011 5:18:08 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Lurking Libertarian

The more non-whites you have, the more socialism you’re going to get. I imagine the non-white percentage of young people is way higher than the non-white percentage of old people.


37 posted on 12/29/2011 5:33:01 PM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: mandaladon
Maybe I missed the link, but I don't see any any explanation of how the question was phrased or how the terms were defined. If the poll just asked for a reaction to the words, undefined, it doesn't mean much. It is not difficult to pose a series of poll questions, each receiving heavy majority support, that are flatly contradictory.

Most people, for example, are generally in favor of a more equal distribution of incomes. (I am among them, and so probably are you; the question is legitimate vs. illegitimate means.) Most people would also agree that people should be able to keep most of what they earn, and that there should be a maximum tax rate beyond which government should not go. A majority of Americans believes that the major entitlements should be protected, and simultaneously that government spends too much money and that spending should be restrained. And so on, ad nauseam.

Between ignorance and flat stupidity, the electorate is wide open to manipulation. Only the integrity of the political class and the competence of a vigilant and impartial press protect us from the charlatans. Sleep well.

38 posted on 12/29/2011 5:35:57 PM PST by sphinx
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To: mandaladon

Those getting handouts think it’s teriffic.


39 posted on 12/29/2011 5:36:11 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: mandaladon

Reminds me of a saying way down south, “You either accept the silver or the lead”

Too many people are accepting the silver from the socialists.


40 posted on 12/29/2011 5:48:38 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Castigo Cay by Matt Bracken, check it out. And his other works.)
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To: DJ Taylor

“Socialism works great until you run out of Chinese money.”

thanks for the new tag!


41 posted on 12/29/2011 7:03:56 PM PST by bitt (Socialism works great until you run out of Chinese money.)
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To: Mama Shawna

You did indeed read my mind! I too love The Kingston Trio! The lyrics of this song are fitting for any time in the Atomic Age History.


42 posted on 12/29/2011 7:39:16 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf

:) Grew up on the Kingston Trio. This song popped into my head a couple months ago...had to look it up to remember the title, then had to learn it on my guitar! Can’t remember what made me think of it, but it’s a great little tune, and like you said, always fitting!


43 posted on 12/29/2011 8:13:22 PM PST by Mama Shawna
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To: Noob1999
the Mexicans owning or working for a contracting firm are the hardest workers, and take great pride in their trade, much greater than the whites.

If you knowing hired Mexican NAtionals to work for you then you are a criminal.

If those were US citizens of Mexican decent then they were hard working AMERICANS. Your comments are totally racist.

44 posted on 12/29/2011 8:25:05 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: loveliberty2

Thank you for that. It’s great.


45 posted on 12/29/2011 9:05:01 PM PST by No One Special
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To: mandaladon
A majority of blacks and liberal Democrats, meanwhile, reacted positively to socialism.

It is telling to see the attempt to separate "blacks" as being something other than "liberal Democrats."

Soooooo, just how many blacks are running around being classified only as "conservatives?"

































Yeah, that's the answer I usually get...

.

46 posted on 12/29/2011 9:20:59 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: M-cubed
I liked this comment...

Have not even one of these foolish kids figured out how badly they have been ripped off by these lame institutions of academia who are putting them into lifelong debt servitude for information dissemination that can literally be had for free on the internet.
47 posted on 12/29/2011 9:45:25 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
More proof that we need a divorce. I just wish that we could get on with it and get it over with.

Yeah, it is getting that way, either we break away from them or we fight them, soon we might have to make a choice.
48 posted on 12/29/2011 11:21:27 PM PST by Nowhere Man ("What if the US became the USSR and the USSR became the US?" - Me, September of 1983)
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To: JediJones

“Despite the college education, they are completely ignorant of the basic principles of economics.”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Despite the colege DEGREE....they don’t have a college education, they don’t even have a REAL high school education, most of them could not pass an eighth grade final from sixty years ago.


49 posted on 12/30/2011 5:29:23 AM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: mandaladon

Our language has been re-shaped to favor Socialism. “Capitalism” is itself a word coined by Karl Marx. Otherwise we would use the term “free enterprise” or something like that.

Satan has found a movement that works for him; his Socialism is breaking down the family, the government, education, religion and entertainment, and the media, using and abusing the very language that we use to try to communicate. He has stacked the deck.

However, he is not the one in charge. He is being watched and is moving according to God’s schedule as shown in The Revelation.

Come, Lord Jesus.


50 posted on 12/30/2011 5:44:50 AM PST by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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