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U.S. Navy won't tolerate 'disruption' through Strait of Hormuz
CNN.com ^ | 12/28/11 | Barbara Starr

Posted on 12/28/2011 9:46:35 AM PST by ColdOne

(CNN) -- The U.S. Navy said Iran's threat to block the strategically and economically important Strait of Hormuz is unacceptable.

"The free flow of goods and services through the Strait of Hormuz is vital to regional and global prosperity," Navy 5th Fleet in Bahrain spokeswoman Cmdr. Amy Derrick Frost told reporters on Wednesday.

"Anyone who threatens to disrupt freedom of navigation in an international strait is clearly outside the community of nations; any disruption will not be tolerated."

The 34-mile-wide shipping channel leads in and out of the Persian Gulf between Iran and Oman. It is strategically important because tankers carrying oil travel through it.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 5thfleet; bahrain; china; hormuz; iran; straitofhormuz; usnavy
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1 posted on 12/28/2011 9:46:40 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Shouldn’t this be coming from the Dept of State?


2 posted on 12/28/2011 9:48:05 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ColdOne

I was about 8 when we had the Suez Crisis. I decided way back then that the Arab world was insane...and nothing has come about to change my mind.


3 posted on 12/28/2011 9:48:39 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ColdOne

This would be more convincing if it came from the White Hut, and not from the fleet.

Any takers on when THAT announcement will ever be made? Anyone?


4 posted on 12/28/2011 9:49:39 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: ColdOne
"Iran is holding a 10-day military exercise in an area from the eastern part of the strait out into the Arabian Sea"

I trust we are tracking every ship and sub they have so that all may be sunk in the opening minutes of any conflict. The big problem may be surface-to-ship missiles which are easy to hide onshore?? Don't know if we have made progress on that problem.....
5 posted on 12/28/2011 9:51:31 AM PST by Enchante
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To: ColdOne

6 posted on 12/28/2011 9:51:39 AM PST by fredhead (Vegetarian - Old Indian word for poor hunter.)
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To: ColdOne

Commander Frost will soon be demoted and ozero will apologize.


7 posted on 12/28/2011 9:54:04 AM PST by Principled
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To: ColdOne
Obama the Jedi Pictures, Images and Photos

Right...

8 posted on 12/28/2011 9:55:47 AM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: ColdOne

America the Stupid is going to get checkmated real soon.

But hey, at least we have green energy and SMRT cars DUUUUR HUUUURRR!


9 posted on 12/28/2011 9:56:03 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Old Sarge
Any takers on when THAT announcement will ever be made? Anyone? The day after his vacation...OR when internal polling gets real bad!
10 posted on 12/28/2011 9:57:44 AM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Sacajaweau
I was about 8 when we had the Suez Crisis. I decided way back then that the Arab world was insane...and nothing has come about to change my mind.

Not Arabs, mooselimbs.

The Iranians are Persian, but mooselimbs.

See my tag line, but remember, we should save the moderate mooselimbs, both of them.

11 posted on 12/28/2011 9:57:44 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: Enchante
The big problem may be surface-to-ship missiles which are easy to hide onshore.

Finding the Kilo class boats they have would be no picnic either. If they get those into the Indian Ocean before the shooting starts we will have a devil of a time running them to ground. We just don't have the ASW assets we had back in the cold war. With the S-3 Vikings retired the carriers are no longer in the sub hunting business. And our SSNs don't do well against quiet diesel boats in the shallows.

In addition to direct torpedo and missile attacks the Kilos would be excellent mine layers. We might use the helicopters on our DDGs and FFGs to keep the immediate area around a convoy clear, but they know the path we have to follow. They would be a long way off before they convoy's ASW assets show up. Just dump mines in our path and wait for something to go bang.
12 posted on 12/28/2011 10:01:14 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: ColdOne

I have no doubts that the U.S. Navy could handle the situation and wipe out the the Iranian navy in days, if not hours.

But if the Iranians sink just a couple of tankers in the region, the shock-waves will be felt worldwide anyway.

But my biggest doubt is that 0bama would permit the Navy to act decisively, rapidly..

Or he might over-react and do something REALLY stupid hoping to usher in the 12th Imam.


13 posted on 12/28/2011 10:02:00 AM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: ColdOne

This should be coming from the CIC or the state dept.


14 posted on 12/28/2011 10:06:53 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: GonzoGOP

Most people think that diesel boats are easy targets, they are not. Actually they are pretty damn invisible to passive sonar when on batteries. Pinging them might cause unwanted hydrophone effects on the reverse bearing.


15 posted on 12/28/2011 10:08:21 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: LegendHasIt

me thinks that Europe needs the straits open more than u.s.


16 posted on 12/28/2011 10:08:38 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

What a silly post they are on Christmas break till next year


17 posted on 12/28/2011 10:10:28 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: ColdOne

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Navy


18 posted on 12/28/2011 10:10:44 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: LegendHasIt

Given the stories that came out about his decision-making process during the Somali pirates incident, I would agree we have reason to worry.


19 posted on 12/28/2011 10:14:41 AM PST by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: ColdOne
Cmdr. Amy Derrick Frost told reporters on Wednesday..... "Anyone who threatens to disrupt freedom of navigation in an international strait is clearly outside the community of nations; any disruption will not be tolerated."

Hey Derrick....take a look at news ...the Turks are shelling the international sea boundary between Israel and Cyprus....which happens to be on top of a huge gas/oil deposit...

What you gonna do about that eh..?

20 posted on 12/28/2011 10:14:51 AM PST by spokeshave (Ron Paul finally lit a match after dousing himself with gasoline)
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To: ColdOne

What a great time to block the Keystone XL pipeline Barack!!


21 posted on 12/28/2011 10:15:13 AM PST by LC Gladiator (Barack Obama is a malevolent Marxist cockroach and a foul festering pustule on the hide of America.)
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To: GonzoGOP

The commodore of the escort group will do what was done during the “Tanker War” phase of the Iran-Iraq war. He’ll line the tankers up line-ahead and let the lead tanker absorb the mine hit. A modern double-hull supertanker can take a hit and keep going.

I’d fill a tanker with ballast rather than an oil cargo and use it as a low-tech minesweeper. It’s not elegant, but it worked before.


22 posted on 12/28/2011 10:19:45 AM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: ColdOne

I must have heard wrong . . . on Fox they said oil could approach 300.00 a barrel. Oh yeah. And no Keystone pipleline? Bring it on Nutjob. Let’s see what Zero has when it comes to Texas Hold ‘Em. Oh I forgot, he is busy snorkeling and playing golf in HI.


23 posted on 12/28/2011 10:20:11 AM PST by Qwackertoo (Gingrich/West 2012)
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To: central_va
Actually they are pretty damn invisible to passive sonar when on batteries.

Just to make things more fun the Indians operate Kilo's in the same area. Kinda hard to tell them apart unless you get a real good track. And like you said on something as quiet as a Kilo on batteries that isn't going to be easy.

The good news is that the Iranian Kilos spend a lot of time laid up for repairs. So their ability to take to sea on short notice is unknown. And their crews certainly haven't spent much time at sea. But I hate to count on my enemies stupidity as a strategy. The enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.
24 posted on 12/28/2011 10:21:47 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: ColdOne
“Iran's vice president has warned that the country could block the strait if sanctions are imposed on its exports of crude oil.”

Iran's vice president would never had made such a statement if he wasn't convinced that the Obama administration was weak and cowardly. The CIC and the State Department have failed to stand up to Iran. It was left to a naval officer to fill the vacuum.

The appeasement and weakness of the Obama Administration only encourages bad behavior by our enemies.

But some in our government do not think Iran is our enemy. We will end up paying dearly for their stupidity.

25 posted on 12/28/2011 10:23:41 AM PST by detective
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To: Tallguy

That’s pretty cool info. Never knew that.


26 posted on 12/28/2011 10:23:45 AM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: ColdOne
"The free flow of goods and services through the Strait of Hormuz is vital to regional and global prosperity," Navy 5th Fleet in Bahrain spokeswoman Cmdr. Amy Derrick Frost told reporters on Wednesday.

It looks like someone accidentally put a real leader in charge while the entire Obama Administration is away on vacation.

27 posted on 12/28/2011 10:29:10 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Tallguy
I’d fill a tanker with ballast rather than an oil cargo and use it as a low-tech minesweeper. It’s not elegant, but it worked before.

Heck if you are going to do that just pull an old single hull rust-bucket off the scrap line. As long as it isn't hauling oil you don't need one of the newer boats. Something like 450 of the old single hull boats got phased out in 2010, they probably all haven't been cut up yet. Mount a dozen CIWS along the the sides and run it like a Q-Ship at the lead of the convoy.
28 posted on 12/28/2011 10:29:43 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

The idea is double hull, as in, not easily sinkable, which COULD block the strait.


29 posted on 12/28/2011 10:33:04 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Stage a few old tankers on either side of the straight to run interference for the convoys as they enter/exit the Gulf.

Could probably improvise some platforms and a crude hangar deck for ASW helo’s. Of course most of this stuff would have to be done in advance as the missile shooting phase would probably stop with days as I’d expect the Army & Marines to land significant assets to hunt the launchers.

There’s also a few restive provinces in that area of Iran that would probably take the opportunity to string-up some mullahs. There are significant No-Go areas for the Khameni regime.


30 posted on 12/28/2011 10:36:26 AM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
me thinks that Europe needs the straits open more than u.s.

It will affect everyone. Oil is sold on a global market. Any shortfall in supply will result in higher prices for everyone. It won't matter where that oil comes from. Whether it comes from Alberta, Nigeria, Brazil, or North Dakota, the price will still go up.

31 posted on 12/28/2011 10:38:11 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: driftdiver

The very first thing I thought when I saw the headline this morning. This thing is on several sites and noone seems to be asking the obvious. Since when does the Navy set US foreign policy? Where is the administration? the senate?


32 posted on 12/28/2011 10:39:11 AM PST by douginthearmy (1 vote for Paul = 2 votes! 1 primary vote for Romney and 1 general vote for Obama!)
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To: driftdiver

The very first thing I thought when I saw the headline this morning. This thing is on several sites and noone seems to be asking the obvious. Since when does the Navy set US foreign policy? Where is the administration? the senate?


33 posted on 12/28/2011 10:39:25 AM PST by douginthearmy (1 vote for Paul = 2 votes! 1 primary vote for Romney and 1 general vote for Obama!)
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To: GonzoGOP

An illuminating series of reports (too bad the shoe maker didn’t pay close enough attention to the quality of his own shoes - STRATFOR got badly hacked over the past weekend, and is still ‘down for maintenance’):

http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/iran-and-the-strait-of-hormuz-a-stratfor-global-intelligence-report/#more-34231


34 posted on 12/28/2011 10:40:04 AM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: ColdOne

I am not concerned about this issue or the possibility of $300BBL oil, because Obama has no doubt prepared our country for such events.

Obama’s energy policy will get us through this, in the same way he has taken care of us with his ground breaking policies on our economy.

Hang on, the democrats will save us......

See, there’s nothing to worry about.


35 posted on 12/28/2011 10:41:04 AM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-West-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: Tallguy

I like your thinking.A behind the scenes special operations task force can also kick the Iranians in the balls.If they want to up the ante,we can smoke them at will.U.S. should never be underestimated even with BHO usurper in chief.


36 posted on 12/28/2011 10:46:11 AM PST by shanover (These are the times that try men's souls....tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. Paine)
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To: ColdOne

The US Navy is gonna shoot these 2 out to “Un-Plug” the “Straight of Hormuz”:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2823351/posts


37 posted on 12/28/2011 10:46:35 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: ColdOne

If he has the patience to wait until the EPA and Democrat Party has worked its poison through the United States of America, he will not have to do anything. We will be in the same condition financially as Britian. Someone posted that servicing out national debt now or will require 41cents of every dollar. That leaves 59 cents. I have no doubt that the Democrats, with Republican help intend to use every one of the 59 cents.


38 posted on 12/28/2011 10:56:03 AM PST by sport
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To: Enchante

The Iranians have some silkworms that could do some damage but we would detect one being launched immediately and we would start sinking their entire fleet. We have 80 attack aircraft on each carrier. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel. The Iranians know this. They are just pulling our chain. It is irritating though.


39 posted on 12/28/2011 11:00:21 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.”

The Iranians don’t have to win a naval duel. They just have to block the passage, a task which could be made easier by provoking the US Navy to sink a lot of vessels in the strait. For a nation that used child-wave attacks against Saddam’s military in their Mesopotamian replay of WWI trench warfare, sacrificing their limited naval assets to block the strait would not be unthinkable.

If the net effect is to block the passage of oil tankers through the strait, whether by sunk vessels which have to be removed, or laying down mine fields which produce sunk vessels which have to be removed, or land-to-sea missile attacks which sink vessels that have to be removed, then ‘mission accomplished’ from the Iranian perspective.

Oil is fungible and both supply and demand are closely balanced and inelastic in the short run, so that spiking prices in Europe, where much of the Iranian oil currently ships, would translate immediately to spiking prices globally. The Iranian economy would be wacked too because of their low refining capacity, but if sanctions are already crippling their economy, they have less to lose than Europe and the rest of the developed world.


40 posted on 12/28/2011 11:19:54 AM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: All

1 Exocet nearly sunk the USS Stark one exocet did sink the British Destroyer in the Falklands War. While the Silkworm is not as modern as the Exocet a direct hit could cause major damage.

Its looks like Iran wants a war. OBammy needs a war to help his Image.

Lord protect our sailors from harm.


41 posted on 12/28/2011 11:25:38 AM PST by Bailee
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To: ColdOne

[ “Anyone who threatens to disrupt freedom of navigation in an international strait is clearly outside the community of nations; any disruption will not be tolerated.” ]

OR WHAT?.............


42 posted on 12/28/2011 11:34:16 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: ColdOne
The U.S. Navy said Iran's threat to block the strategically and economically important Strait of Hormuz is unacceptable.

Sure. Just like Jimmy Carter said the Soviet missiles discovered in Cuba in 1979 were "unacceptable." Then, voila! The "unacceptable" became "accepted."

43 posted on 12/28/2011 11:35:10 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: Old Sarge
This would be more convincing if it came from the White Hut, and not from the fleet. Any takers on when THAT announcement will ever be made? Anyone?

That was a trial balloon for which the White Hut can claim plausible deniability when the sneers of ridicule commence. "The Navy Department just spoke prematurely."

44 posted on 12/28/2011 11:37:33 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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To: fredhead

Doesn’t it seem like it should be heavier than just 90,000 tons? Sure the hell looks heavier. Consider all the weight inside plus the planes, nuke plant, etc.


45 posted on 12/28/2011 11:38:09 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: RoadGumby
The idea is double hull, as in, not easily sinkable, which COULD block the strait.

When you hit it with 400 pounds of TNT single or double hull isn't going to matter much. I have attached a picture of the mine damage to the USS Tripoli back in 1991. And warships are not only double hulled, but built stronger that merchants. You set off a mine against, or worse directly under, a ship and you are going to get a big honking hole, single or double hull.


The reason tankers are hard to sink is that when in ballast the oil tanks are full of air. And it isn't just one big tank. Some of the big ships have up to 50 separate tanks. Flooding one or two isn't going to sink the ship. And damage from a contact mine tends to be localized. A magnetic mine under the keel might blow the ship in half, but even then the parts would likely float long enough to tow them out of the channel. Several tankers have broken their backs in storms and stayed afloat for days. You would probably want a big salvage tug in the convoy in case of such an emergency or in case a ship took a hit to propellers or rudder.

There are also the ballast tanks. Those are full of water, but can be pumped out to make up for buoyancy lost to other flooded spaces.
46 posted on 12/28/2011 11:39:39 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: ColdOne

An interesting tagline to a recent HotAir posting:

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/28/saudis-to-iranian-mullahs-well-keep-pounding-sand/

And Iran itself — which has enjoyed record oil profits over the past five years but is faced with a dwindling number of oil customers — relies on the Hormuz Strait as the departure gate for its biggest client: China.

“We would be committing economical suicide by closing off the Hormuz Strait,” said an Iranian Oil Ministry official who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject. “Oil money is our only income, so we would be spectacularly shooting ourselves in the foot by doing that.”

Ahmad Bakhshayesh Ardestani, a political scientist running for parliament from the camp of hard-line clerics and commanders opposing Ahmadinejad, said it is “good politics” for Iran to respond to U.S. threats with threats of its own.

“But our threat will not be realized,” Ardestani said. “We are just responding to the U.S., nothing more.”

Besides, the UAE — whose exports would be most impacted by an Iranian blockade of the strait — will shortly complete a pipeline that bypasses Hormuz altogether. They can pump 2.5 million barrels a day through the pipeline, which would more than negate Iranian action.


47 posted on 12/28/2011 11:42:08 AM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: ColdOne

Any intel on this?

Israeli spyware sold to Iran
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/israeli-spyware-sold-to-iran-20111227-1pb26.html

Israel Didn’t Know High-Tech Gear Was Sent to Iran
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-23/israel-didn-t-know-high-tech-gear-was-sent-to-iran-via-denmark.html

Is this an old story? I have been offline for a couple of days.


48 posted on 12/28/2011 11:44:59 AM PST by Fred (On Newt Gingrich - He is a sociopath, but he is our sociopath)
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To: Bailee
1 Exocet nearly sunk the USS Stark one Exocet did sink the British Destroyer in the Falklands War. While the Silkworm is not as modern as the Exocet a direct hit could cause major damage.

The old silkworms aren't the problem. CIWS can swat them down with impunity. Unfortunately the Iranians license build the C-802 missile, that has nearly the same performance as the Exocet. Unlike the POS silkworms these are seriously dangerous missiles. One of them got a solid hit on an Israeli corvette off Lebanon.

Because they make them we have no idea how many they have. On the up side Iranian workmanship isn't exactly well regarded.
49 posted on 12/28/2011 11:48:27 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: ColdOne

OOOOOOOO - Obama’s talking tough.

That should put the fear of Obama in them.

/sarc


50 posted on 12/28/2011 11:57:48 AM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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