Skip to comments.Ron Paul Panic Seizes Iowa Establishment
Posted on 12/20/2011 6:23:02 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
In spin rooms, bar rooms and online forums, the what-to-do-about-Paul conversation has become pervasive as polls show him at or near the top here just weeks before the January 3rd vote.
Paul poses an existential threat to the states cherished kick-off status, say these Republicans, because he has little chance to win the GOP nomination and would offer the best evidence yet that the caucuses reward candidates who are unrepresentative of the broader party.
It would make the caucuses mostly irrelevant if not entirely irrelevant, said Becky Beach, a longtime Iowa Republican who helped Presidents Bush 41 and Bush 43 here. It would have a very damaging effect because I dont think he could be elected president and both Iowa and national Republicans wouldnt think he represents the will of voters.
What especially worries Iowa Republican regulars is the possibility that Paul could win here on January 3rd with the help of Democrats and independents who change their registration to support the libertarian-leaning Texas congressman but then dont support the GOP nominee next November.
I dont think any candidate perverting the process in that fashion helps [the caucuses] in any way, said Iowa House Speaker Kraig Paulsen, adding that he didnt know if thats necessarily how Paul would win.
While theres no evidence of an organized effort, public polling shows that Pauls lead is built in large part with the support of non-Republicans and few party veterans think such voters would stick with the GOP in November.
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I am amazed by the amount of support he has and some of them are very good people and not kooks.
Pay for transportation? I doubt it, as caucus sites are highly local on a neighborhood level.
Some of that might go on, but most people are traveling short distances. In my area 4 years ago I could have walked.
But I'm sure if someone supports a candidate; they would offer to drive others there; especially elderly folks. No different than getting people to the polls in November.
Now at the straw polls, yes that did on. Candidates bussed people in from all over the state, the straw poll was held at one location.
There are no parties on caucus night, again that was as straw poll thing where candidates spent a lot of money on that stuff.
The straw poll is a big outdoor party in August held on the campus of Iowa State. Buses, bands, food; weird looking political type people, etc.
It is big, flashy and sexy and the media loves it.
But the straw poll doesn't count for anything. It is only a fund raiser the party puts on. It is not an official vote in any way. Most people here in Iowa don't view it as serious thing anyway.
You are mixing together 2 totally separate things.
The caucuses are boring things. We print our own signs at home and pass the hat around to collect funds to pay for church or school rentals. It is not a big flashy thing at all.
There are probably some folks that cannot participate in the caucus due to work schedules. I haven't heard that as a major complaint before, but it would be factor for some.
Bottom line is the caucus are nothing like the straw polls. The straw poll doesn't count for anything. It is only a fund raiser the party puts on. It is not an official vote in any way. Most people here in Iowa don't view it as serious thing anyway.
Paul doing anything means squat. He never did, does not, nor ever will get close to any nomination. He is a total fruit loop, a reject, a polished turd.
him getting any respectful number of votes in IA reflects on IA voters, not on his imaginary ascendancy.
Do you think that there is any point at which the “establishment” will conclude that the “Ron Paul Movement” is a real paradigm shift in the country? How many states will he have to win to convince the “establishment”?
My answer is: No number of states won will convince the “establishment” because they are so presuppositionally committed to the idea that that “Ron Paul can’t win” that they will never come to any other conclusion. A conclusion can never rise higher than its presupposition.
I didn’t say the voters can’t be trusted. I said they are acting like they did in the last election, dumb. Dumb gave us Obama.
The Paulites in Iowa are playing within the rules, if you establishment types don't like the rules and are getting beat at your own game of politics then just change the rules before the next election. Don't whine because your scatterbrained candidate destroyed his own organization early on and hasn't found a way to rebuild it.
The MSM is flexing it's muscles in manipulating Public opinion. Which in itself is alarming, especially by the number of people buying into the lies and propaganda.
Many reports have counties in Iowa with more registered voters than voting age population.
From what I read the caucus voting takes an average of two hours. Not alot of people have that long to screw around voting.
Even open primaries aren't as much of a joke as a caucus.
Precisely. Paul is hardly an ideal candidate, but he's just the man to shake things up.
I happened to be there when Newt was in office, and I worked for the Reagan campaign, when Newt was very much a part of the “outsider” camp.
Save you stereotypical labels for someone else, because you won't “educate” me one bit about something I lived through as well as, played a strong role in making happen.
Ron Paul is a true sign that what we have is not working. People want real, effective strong change. They do not want a Demoplican or a Republicrat.
Libertarian political and economic policies are very attractive to many who want to work on the US and who see that past policies have had their day.
You might tone your rhetoric down a bit n00b. There are several Troll hunting groups on this forum that eat Trolls for lunch, and you are headed that way rather fast.
In Madison’s Notes of the Federal Convention, it surprised me how often our Constitution’s architects expressed their concern about establishing a system where the voting masses were allowed to have too much power, due to the ignorance of most, and their ability to be easily swayed by the agenda of those desiring power.
The “Factions”, which ultimately became the Parties, and for most of our history merely two Parties, was also a grave concern to some Founders. The whole election process was seen as a weak link by some.
And then, of course, there were the Anti-Federalists . . . . . They lost.
True. Normally, the Establishment's dismissal of him as a fringe crank would stick, but that doesn't work when the Establishment is thoroughly discredited.
Yeah we all know that being an “outsider” is how you get to be Speaker of the House. If you really were there then maybe you can’t see the problem because you have become part of it.
Let us just wait and see if you can make Newt happen, bigshot.
“BTW, when was the last time any non-incumbent, Republican who won Iowa, got the nomination?”
GWB - 2000
before that Dole in 1996.
The media always plays their enemy (us)against each other.
This cycle started with Palin, then went to Bachmann, Then Perry, then Cain, now Gingrich is in the crosshairs.
Those that fall for it cheer them on unless it is their candidate, then it is unfair.
As long as we play by their rules, we should not be surprised at the results.
“Paul poses an existential threat to the states cherished kick-off status”
That kick-off status should also be on the table. The kick off should rotate to different regions of the nation. This process with Iowa and New Hampshire is designed to give momentum to leftist establishment GOP candidates, by using voting open to both parties.
Notice post #5 while you are at it, arrogant Troll.
The Paul Spam monkies are swarming Iowa, in hopes that this will get him started in all the other states where Paul is regarded as a Cult Kook. Iowa is easy for them manipulate due to it’s lax rules.
You need to relax a bit there psycho. I read your “arrogant” remarks regarding Rick Perry on another thread where you questioned his intellect. You are started to come off a lot like Karl “Tokyo” Rove. You spout an interesting line, but essentially your full of crap.
Coming from you, I will take that as a compliment.
Jealous Trolls like you, always have trouble with the truth.
Then tell me, was Newt your first choice in this race? For many I think that he is just the default candidate because none of the others have even a remote chance of winning. I know Paul won’t win the nomination, I preferred Cain, and I could never support Romney. For now Rick Perry is my candidate until someone better, maybe Paul Ryan, jumps into the race. But if you want Newt to win the nomination I think you will be disappointed. He fails the trust issue, deserved or not, and that is the biggest problem the voters have with government today.
Always trying to educate people aren’t you? It’s like you are the smartest fool in the room or something.
It’s you who don’t know squat about the candidates, and yet you are informing me of all this wisdom you claim to have about absolutely nothing.
It appears you could use a little education, however, I am just expressing my opinion. To educate you on the subject would require a book. So did you support Newt before December 2, or are you just kissing ass?
I have a different take. Romney is outspending everyone, what, 35 to 1, I heard, and he still can't win Iowa? He'll probably go on to win NH, but if he doesn't make a strong showing there, he's still going to look bad. Then it's on to SC and Florida. If Romney can't buy Iowa, he for darn sure can't buy SC and Florida. And Paul sure won't.
Fair point on Romney. He has trouble cracking 30 no matter how much he spends for good reason. He probably wins NH and has trouble in SC and FL under just about any circumstance for the very reason you give.
That said, I think a Paul win in Iowa is the one thing that will freak out enough people to get them to hold their noses and vote Romney out of shear panic. In that sense, a Paul win in Iowa would be better for Romney than if Romney won Iowa.