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Live Thread: Iowa GOP Presidential Debate 9 P.M. EST, 6 P.M. PST 12/15/11 Fox News Channel
Thursday, December 15, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on 12/15/2011 4:21:09 PM PST by kristinn

The last debate before the January 3rd Iowa caucuses is being held tonight in Sioux City.

We get seven candidates at this debate: Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Jon Huntsman.

Fox's Bret Baier anchors the debate. Fox News panelists questioning the candidates: Chris Wallace, Megyn Kelly and Neil Cavuto.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: anotheryawner; biasedfox; debate; elections; fox4backstabber; fox4loser; fox4romney; gopdebate; gopiowadebate; himagusnret; iowa; kristinnrocks; livegopiowadebate; megynkelley; ronpaulisaloon; ronpauliscrazy; souixcitydebate
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To: JulieRNR21
CW can KMA. Perry better than ever. That's not saying much as he set a pretty low bar early on.
1,401 posted on 12/15/2011 8:23:59 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: onyx

Bachmann comes across like a whiny old bat.


1,402 posted on 12/15/2011 8:24:11 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: pulaskibush

Just vote as Frank says, and everything will go according to plan....


1,403 posted on 12/15/2011 8:24:11 PM PST by kevao
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To: SatinDoll

From Newt.org:

He is also the longest-serving teacher of the Joint War Fighting course for Major Generals at Air University and taught officers from all five services as an honorary Distinguished Visiting Scholar and Professor at the National Defense University.


1,404 posted on 12/15/2011 8:24:28 PM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: FreeReign

So, that’s a no?


1,405 posted on 12/15/2011 8:24:32 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

I agree. That was the Perry I saw in Iowa City a few months back. He’s not stupid and he’s not a drone.

Gingrich was masterful tonite. Still don’t trust him but he’d smack Prez Fool Sucka around like a little beeotch doll.

Santorum was great, just no real gravitas.

Romney was Spin Spin Spin!

Michelle was the Opportunistic Cutthroat Harpy.

Huntsman is Eddie Hascal.

Paul is the Alien Abducted Homeless Crazy Guy.


1,406 posted on 12/15/2011 8:24:32 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: LibsRJerks

Pat Caddell giving Ron Paul an F in the second half

Gave newt a B+


1,407 posted on 12/15/2011 8:25:51 PM PST by RummyChick (It's a Satan Sandwich with Satan Fries on the side - perfect for Obama 666)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

From the beginning they kept saying Mitt’s the forerunner and haven’t stopped. The liberal media and ‘rinos are all in this together - and that includes MITT and MICHELLE!!

MB to:
Cain - 666 - the devil is in the details
Perry - the vaccination brings metal retardation
Newt - anything she can twist.

MB to:
Mitt - (undisclosed - I got your back, I’ll take on any opponent who passes you in the polls)

If Mitt gets the nod - the idiots who supported MB OWN IT!


1,408 posted on 12/15/2011 8:26:12 PM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job.)
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To: preamble

Gingrich wiggled and it was obvious that Gingrich’s get your facts right didn’t shut up Bachmann like he wanted.One of Nwt’s long time pals said he has a huge ego.I think he would make a superb sec of state or other cabinet position.We need real change not good ole boy crony crap.Perry and Bachmann look to offer the most true change and DC overhaul.Gingrich would not shake up congress and make them all Part Time.He butters his bread with high ranking pubs.


1,409 posted on 12/15/2011 8:26:34 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball
I just listened to that again... what he said was Venezuela has the largest Iranian embassy there; referring to Venezuela; comparing it the world. Biggest Iranian embassy in the world is in Venezuela.
1,410 posted on 12/15/2011 8:27:03 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: mylife
She showed me her nature early on when she attacked Perry over Gardasil.

Yep. It was fine to question that and get it out there, but she kept harping and harping on it even after he'd answered the questions about four times. Then she harped some more for two days after the debate was over.

1,411 posted on 12/15/2011 8:27:08 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: KansasGirl
Btw, Michelle’s facts were inaccurate and twisted. Michelle has has a habit of twisting the truth.

MIchele did what the anti-FReepers do around here...demagogued a single piece of info into a false attack. Just because you refuse to "purge" pro-choice Republicans, doesn't mean you support abortion. Just because you wouldn't kick evey one of 11 million illegals out, doesn't mean you support amnesty.

1,412 posted on 12/15/2011 8:27:08 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Yes, I agree.....Perry nailed it with every opportunity he got!

I got home late and missed the first 15-20 minutes. Can anyone explain to me what Perry said about Tim Tebow?


1,413 posted on 12/15/2011 8:27:08 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (*OMG ...means Obama Must Go in 2012!)
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To: Allegra

Newt won the debate, period. Perry did great, but that’s given his low expectations. Bachman, Paul and Santorum are done. Romney did well, but nobody will ever trust that guy....


1,414 posted on 12/15/2011 8:27:19 PM PST by TortReformer
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To: presently no screen name

I concur.


1,415 posted on 12/15/2011 8:27:19 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Bachman is toast since Cain is gone — no more, Turn 9-9-9 upside-down, my opponent is a satanist....


1,416 posted on 12/15/2011 8:27:35 PM PST by kevao
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To: TortReformer

Yeah, Newt won the debate, but he hasn’t won the war.


1,417 posted on 12/15/2011 8:28:41 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JulieRNR21

He said that HE was the Tim Tebow of the Republican Party...


1,418 posted on 12/15/2011 8:28:58 PM PST by true believer forever (First, they came for the rich.)
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To: Free Vulcan

Can’t we nominate Perry and have Newt as a Designated Debater?


1,419 posted on 12/15/2011 8:29:15 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: nutmeg

Because he thinks ALL his opponents are just like BHO (when, really, HE’S the most like him!) and he’d just as soon hand BHO another term by running third party. I’m scared to death of that happening. Heck, I don’t even want to see Trump run third party!


1,420 posted on 12/15/2011 8:29:19 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: kevao

anyone listening to Caddell right now?? Did they rate Mitt?


1,421 posted on 12/15/2011 8:29:24 PM PST by RummyChick (It's a Satan Sandwich with Satan Fries on the side - perfect for Obama 666)
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To: onyx
Newt did very well. Mittens *thinks* that he loves this country but, he really just loves Mitt. Santorum, Oh I wish he could get more traction, Huntsman is a democrat and should primary obama. Bachmann needs to not be appear to be so deperate and stop the lashing out at everyone. Perry, well I guess I'm heartless. As for Ron Paul he is just Nuts.

1,422 posted on 12/15/2011 8:29:34 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: ez

correction anti-Newters


1,423 posted on 12/15/2011 8:29:44 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: sgtyork

I’ll second that motion.


1,424 posted on 12/15/2011 8:29:56 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: RummyChick
Pat Caddell giving Ron Paul an F in the second half

Someone needs to give him a sedative.

Gingrich just announced he'd pick apart Obama's speeches if he runs from debates and force his hand...old school politics.

1,425 posted on 12/15/2011 8:29:56 PM PST by Dysart
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To: RummyChick

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving CEO.......LOL


1,426 posted on 12/15/2011 8:29:59 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (*OMG ...means Obama Must Go in 2012!)
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To: okie01

“Perry has already said he would ask Bolton to be his Sec’y of State.”

I know Newt said he would like Bolton to be Secretary of State. I did no know Perry also said that.


1,427 posted on 12/15/2011 8:30:15 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Free Vulcan

Newt kicked media butt.
Perry didn’t come across as a butt.
Bachmann kissed Romney’s butt.
Huntsman kissed major China butt.
Paul is a crazy old butt.
Santorum maybe needed to butt in.

Megyn Kelly? Get her butt off there.


1,428 posted on 12/15/2011 8:30:49 PM PST by Zarro ("I'll never apologize for America's greatness." - Herman Cain)
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To: true believer forever

Give it a rest.
It was an analogy about the under dog and having faith.
He said he would “like” to be the Tim Tebow of the party.


1,429 posted on 12/15/2011 8:30:49 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: larryleo

“Over 60 million people will be watching the debates next October. Ask yourself honestly, who do you want opposing Obama in those debates? Who is most likely to shred Obama to pieces?”

Simple. Wo does the MSM want? Don’t vote for him.


1,430 posted on 12/15/2011 8:31:05 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (To fix government, we need a rocket scientist. Oh, wait we have one!)
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To: JulieRNR21

He referred to hoping for a Tim Tebow moment. He didn’t say this, but this is what I got out of what he said: hoping and praying for a 4th quarter miracle win.


1,431 posted on 12/15/2011 8:31:36 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: Free Vulcan

Ron Paul: potato salad!


1,432 posted on 12/15/2011 8:31:36 PM PST by Miss Didi ("After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Mr Culture, if that is your real name (apropos, none other than Herr Hermann Goering (not running this year) is said to have said “When I hear the word “culture”, I reach for my gun.” (Actually, that was a line in a German stage play, wrongly attributed to lovable Hermie)), I haven’t heard anyone calling anyone “bitch”, and I’ll have to take your word for it, but I do think that these “debates”, that someone in today’s WSJ (Henninger?) accurately characterized as “mini-press conferences” for the candidates, deserve nothing better than comments about the excessive makeup (on the “bitch”, as it happened), the neck ties (one of them looked exactly like one I had 30 years ago or more) , lighting and stage decor, and other elements of the shoe, as Ed Sullivan might have put it, all of them as superficial as the contents of the mini-speeches we heard.


1,433 posted on 12/15/2011 8:31:45 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Free Vulcan

Newt on Fox recap stating he’ll stalk Obama and pick apart every speech he makes in every location until he agrees to a Lincoln-Douglas style debate.

Would love to watch Newt get all FREAKY on Obama.


1,434 posted on 12/15/2011 8:31:55 PM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: tflabo

“Bachman does very well when she isn’t trashing other candidates.”

How would you know? I never hear her doing anything ELSE!


1,435 posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:02 PM PST by Pravious
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Bachmann comes across like a whiny old bat.

She's the republican Pelosi. and Mitt is the repubican barry. MB covers/protects Mitt. That's her gig in these debates.
1,436 posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:07 PM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job.)
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To: JulieRNR21; onyx

Perry said he wanted to be the Tim Tebow candidate (Win it at the end).

But he had some more gaffes again, including saying that the Monroe Doctrine was used against Cuba in the 1960s. Ugh.


1,437 posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:14 PM PST by TitansAFC (I will never, EVER, under any circumstance, EVER support Ron Paul over ANYBODY.)
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To: onyx
Newt is right. The Threat of Iran and them shutting down the Gulf and all Oil, as well as taking over the entire Eastern Arab Block is almost a reality.

FOX tried to shut Newt down, but he rose above them in spite of their effort and won anyway. (With one hand tied behind his back) He is the quintessential statesman and is absolutely Presidential. No matter how hard they tried to hinder that, they just made themselves look biased in the process.

I will never listen to a word Krauthhammer has to say ever again.

1,438 posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:17 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Dysart

I didnt hear them rate Mitt. I find that odd. Newt got the highest rating but no mention of Mitt that I heard when they were rating the various candidates.


1,439 posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:40 PM PST by RummyChick (It's a Satan Sandwich with Satan Fries on the side - perfect for Obama 666)
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To: opentalk
Would like to know who they would fill their administration with...

The last non-Establishment president was Reagan. Unfortunately, he was coerced to put an Establishment pick for VP, GHWB, and appoint many more in his administration. That's one reason he wasn't able to end the Dept of Education.

Still, he accomplished SO much - and got the ball rolling.

Newt worked with him and then in the '90's, brought in the highest number of new members of the House in history - and they took over the house for the first time in 40 years.

He balanced the budget 4 years in a row - not done for decades before and never since.

He has said he will not keep ONE holdover from the current regime - all czars fired the first day, Ben Bernake = fired, etc., AND he has said he'd like Col. West for his VP and Bolton for his SOS, and I have an idea he will tap Sarah to use her expertise to spearhead the Drill Here, Drill now. These are the kind of people he will appoint - far from being members of the Establishment.

This is why the Establishment is so frightened. They know with 8 years of Pres. Newt and then a probable 8 more years of non- Establishment people, that they will all be swept into the dustbin of history.

1,440 posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:40 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: Reagan69

I don’t remember Politico being mentioned in this debate at all.


1,441 posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:40 PM PST by pulaskibush (Thou shalt tax/steal from Peter to help Paul/Pablo is not in the Bible!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture; isthisnickcool; Jim Robinson
Though not JimRob's fault, sadly, a forum with multiple members calling a Republican candidate a "bitch" and talking about superficial things like hair, makeup, and clothing will give the RNC elites (as well as the totalitarian left) a poor reflection of the character of FR. We deserve better.

I agree. I don't have cable, and I don't feel like putting up with a shaky internet video feed, so I only followed the debate via this thread.

What I saw was the most juvenile form of cheerleader-ism and vulgar put-downs, and not much coherent analysis.

Hey FReepers who love one candidate or another: putting your cheers in bold, big font, repeated, or with multiple exclamation marks says nothing. On the other hand, comparing what a candidate says or claims to have done with the real record is very useful - especially when done with a link to the documentation.

Just some "friendly feedback" after 13 years on this forum....

1,442 posted on 12/15/2011 8:32:40 PM PST by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: kevao
Bachman should save money and quit. Just a boring broad. Good one though.

Very proud of her.

1,443 posted on 12/15/2011 8:33:04 PM PST by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
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To: sgtyork

Perry does not need debate help. He is getting on his game. Check out some of this stuff. Go down the page and see him on stage during one of Hannitys gigs. You will see a Rick Perry you may have not seen but Texas has.

http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2011/12/13/the-rick-perry-i-know/


1,444 posted on 12/15/2011 8:33:12 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: kristinn; All

Thank-you as well for this thread.

Merry Christmas/Happy Hannukah EVERYONE!


1,445 posted on 12/15/2011 8:33:12 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: kevao

Gingrich moves to critical mass.....goodbye Bachmann.....


1,446 posted on 12/15/2011 8:33:40 PM PST by topfile
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To: TitansAFC

Perry wants US to freaking rebuild Mexico. No Thanks.


1,447 posted on 12/15/2011 8:33:47 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Free Vulcan

LOL! Very cool analysis


1,448 posted on 12/15/2011 8:34:04 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: onyx

I think whoever the nominee is, it will go GOP this time regardless of the VP. Obummers numbers are real bad here for an incumbent Rat.


1,449 posted on 12/15/2011 8:34:04 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: JulieRNR21
I got home late and missed the first 15-20 minutes. Can anyone explain to me what Perry said about Tim Tebow?

"I hope I am the Tim Tebow of the Iowa caucuses," Perry said at the Republican presidential debate in Sioux City, the last before the first voters make their choices Jan. 3.

"There are a lot of folks that said Tim Tebow wasn't going to be a very good NFL quarterback," Perry said. "And, you know, he won two national championships. And that looked pretty good."

Perry needs to be talking about that amazing, underdog, AFC South Champion team on the Gulf Coast of his own state.

Just sayin'.

Not that I'm biased or anything. ;-)

1,450 posted on 12/15/2011 8:34:04 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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