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Hey, Remember the '80s? Gingrich Wants to Bring 'Em Back. [and this is a bad thing?]
The Atlantic ^ | Dec 12, 2012 | Jim Tankersley

Posted on 12/13/2011 1:04:25 AM PST by Jim Robinson

Newt Gingrich promises to revive the Gipper's economic plan -- and then some

Newt Gingrich's economic plan is not Reaganesque. It is not, as so many of his Republican presidential rivals' claim their plans to be, inspired by Reaganomics. It is Reaganomics, cryogenically frozen in 1981, thawed 30 years later, and pumped full of Newt-style steroids in order to save the American people from slow growth. The plan features massive tax cuts (which would largely benefit businesses and the wealthy), less government spending (through the privatization of entitlement programs), interest-rate hikes, and rampant deregulation.

The foundation is classic supply-side, trickle-down, Laffer-curve economics, which Gingrich's economic advisers predict will unleash a boom that will eventually generate enough tax revenue to balance the federal budget. How big will that boom be, you ask? What do the campaign's projections show? "If you go back to the Reagan years, from 1983, that's our projection of what the boom would look like--exactly," says Peter Ferrara, a former Reagan aide who helped draft the Gingrich plan.

~~snip~~

What does appear is a package of tax cuts much deeper than Romney or Perry propose. Like Perry, Gingrich would let taxpayers choose between the current income-tax system or a flat rate. Perry's rate is 20 percent; Gingrich's is 15 percent. Romney would eliminate taxes on capital gains, dividends, and interest for taxpayers who earn less than $200,000 a year; Gingrich eliminates them entirely. Romney's plan cuts the corporate income-tax rate to 25 percent, while Perry's would be 20 percent. Gingrich would drop the corporate rate all the way to 12.5 percent--lower than even Ron Paul has proposed.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


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KEYWORDS: elections; gingrich; newt; reaganomics; taxes
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Gingrich, who blames excessive regulation for the 2008 financial crisis, also wants to advance Reaganomics by repealing the Dodd-Frank and Sarbanes-Oxley laws governing the financial sector and by replacing the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Labor Relations Board. He would reorient the Federal Reserve entirely toward taming inflation, axing the pursuit of full employment from its congressional mandate. He would cut spending by fundamentally restructuring safety-net programs, turning Medicaid into block grants to states and allowing Americans to opt into privatized accounts for Medicare and Social Security, eventually phasing out payroll taxes in the process.
1 posted on 12/13/2011 1:04:35 AM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes, please. I made it into the 10% for several years back then after leaving the Army. Laissez les bons temps rouler.


2 posted on 12/13/2011 1:11:54 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Jim Robinson

I long for the 80s to return...sigh
I sure miss Reagan.


3 posted on 12/13/2011 1:25:06 AM PST by Bobalu (even Jesus knew the poor would always be with us)
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To: Jim Robinson

Indeed, another 80s boom would greatly improve my overall mood and outlook for my kid’s future. Lower taxes and massive fedzilla program cuts would produce a such a boom. Newt would need a new Senate composition to succeed. I hope Newt is more than just talk. Time to right this ship is running out quickly.


4 posted on 12/13/2011 1:26:27 AM PST by ri4dc (Cut your cable, Break Wind for the TSA, Flush Twice in 2012, Herman Wasn't Able)
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To: ri4dc

Well, I think we the tea party should work our butts off next year to ensure Obama is voted out and that we retake the senate and increase our majority in the house and continue taking over state and local governments all across this great land.


5 posted on 12/13/2011 1:36:39 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Noot says he wants less Federal government BUT More State government..

Thats a pretty good shuffle of shells and hiding of the "pea"..

Whats needed is LESS Federal government AND LESS State government..
NooT is a good barker at the political circus..

Any smart voter will notice the ruse and the gambit..
Unfortunately there are few smart voters.. we MAY BE SCREWED..

ONLY Paul and Bachmann sees this.. but are afraid to actually "say it".. pity..
Poor old Santorum is all googawed up...

Noot, Rick and Myth are "Used America Salesmen"...

6 posted on 12/13/2011 1:37:45 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Bobalu

I used to long for a return to the 50’s but could easily settle for a return to the 80’s. Go, Newt!! Let’s win one for the Gipper!!


7 posted on 12/13/2011 1:38:26 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: hosepipe

Per the tenth amendment. All powers not delegated to the federal government by the constitution are reserved to the states and the PEOPLE. The people have a much better chance of controlling their state and local governments than they do the feds.

And I believe both Paul and Bachmann... and Perry support the constitution AND the tenth amendment.

Nothing wrong with returning all these functions to the states and the people. It’s what the founders intended and what the federales usurped and stole from us since the 1913 progressive coup de tat.


8 posted on 12/13/2011 1:45:50 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

That’s downright Sam Wainright.

HEE-HAW!!

[’It’s A Wonderful Life’ reference]


9 posted on 12/13/2011 2:03:20 AM PST by bigoil (Study Thy Nixon)
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To: TitansAFC

Newt Ping!


10 posted on 12/13/2011 2:10:56 AM PST by mmanager
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To: hosepipe

Now, I don’t like the idea of block grants to the states. I think the feds should not be raising revenues for anything other than to pay the costs of their own legal and constitutionally authorized functions. The states and local governments should raise the tax revenues (or finance) the costs of their own programs. No money should flow from individuals or corporations to the federal government and then be parceled or redistributed back to the states after being filtered, filched, and strings attached by the congress.

Also, the federales don’t rule over the states or the people. The federal government was never intended to be that powerful or so huge. Article 1, section 8 enumerates and restricts the feds to about 18 specific items. All else is reserved to the states and the people.

But other than that, I think Newt is on the right track.

The best track, IMHO, would be to repeal the 16th and the 17th and return control over the senators back to the state governments. If they don’t do their jobs, don’t defend the constitution, the state legislators should recall the bastards. And completely neuter and reel in the Fed. Hell, no one knows how much money they create out of thin air or where in the world (literally) it goes. We find out some of it way too late. Congress should put a short leash on these guys or abolish it altogether. The income tax should be strictly a flat tax. Abolish the IRS altogether other than some bean counters and a few knee cappers for the hard cases.


11 posted on 12/13/2011 2:11:50 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m on board with this! Obama has sucked the wealth out of this country. We need another 80’s boom so people will have the means to retire.


12 posted on 12/13/2011 2:13:34 AM PST by mmanager
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx; dixiechick2000; ntnychik
Per the tenth amendment. All powers not delegated to the federal government by the constitution are reserved to the states and the PEOPLE. The people have a much better chance of controlling their state and local governments than they do the feds.

And I believe both Paul and Bachmann... and Perry support the constitution AND the tenth amendment.

Nothing wrong with returning all these functions to the states and the people. It’s what the founders intended and what the federales usurped and stole from us since the 1913 progressive coup de tat.

There's that pesky Constitution thing again. Obama long before running for president sounded off that the Founders failed to redistribute the wealth. They knew economic freedom was essential to liberty; Barry Hussein is the apple-polishing pupil of Karl Marx.

Indeed state governments are on the whole in better shape financially. Especially those that require balanced budgets, and those who do not feed the union monster.

The Federal Reserve and the Income Tax have resulted in a 7.2 trillion-dollar theft, and a Fed Chair and tax-cheat Treasury Secretary stonewalling Congress.

The role of the regulators (EPA, FDA, NOAA et al) is to crush growth and grind the people down, to mill the millionaires until the nation is a rust belt from sea to shining sea.

The people elected a traitor destroying the America created in the sequential crucibles of the past two hundred thirty-six years.

Newt wants to be Reagan-bold in regulation-cutting. Something's got to give: at 35%, any businessman will move globally to the 17% norm.

With all the regulation and permitting, nothing is built, nothing is drilled, energy is dear, and jobs disappear.

Let the Left let loose with the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

A new nation is born: the original plan emerges from the prison of crypto-Communism aka Obamanomics.


13 posted on 12/13/2011 2:14:43 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Jim Robinson

As long as he’s not bringing back hair metal, I’m fine with bringing the 80’s back. That’s a deal breaker though.


14 posted on 12/13/2011 2:17:14 AM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yes, bring the 80's back, all of it! (except new Coke)

CC

15 posted on 12/13/2011 2:26:39 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from a lack of wisdom.)
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To: Jim Robinson

[ Nothing wrong with returning all these functions to the states and the people. It’s what the founders intended and what the federales usurped and stole from us since the 1913 progressive coup de tat. ]

State rights have been on the decline since the Civil War..
Shame... Abe got hizself murdered.. he may have fixed it..

But theres been those sneaking around after a central bank from the beginning..
1913 may have been pre-cursor to WWI.. and WWII and the Korean debacle, and Vietnam too.. Those wars only increased and cemented progressive power centers..

Amazing that socialism is still legal.. since its known and has been known socialism(in all its forms) number one agenda is over throwing our government..

When young I figured it could never happen.. but I had no idea how advanced the progressives were in taking over the Unions.. and that education in America was in for marked change.. The progressives have indeed been brilliant..

And to think Newt is STILL enamored by its ideology..
Probably Myth and Rick too.. Ron Paul sees thru it all probably.. but he is such a flawed champion..

My only hope is that Bachmann has the gravitas to fix it all.. That is if she gets anywhere near winning the primary.. Looks doubtful.. even with the TpCaucus..


16 posted on 12/13/2011 2:27:13 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hosepipe

The primary and authorized responsibilities of the federal government is to defend the nation (army, navy, militia, etc), put down rebellions, pirates, counterfeiters, hang traitors, secure the borders, and settle disputes among the states via the federal court system. Also establish uniform naturalization and bankruptcy rules. They also mint and set the value of the coin, establish standards of measurements, run a patents and copyright office, the post office and postal roads. Regulate foreign trade, tariffs, duties, etc,. Regulate interstate commerce, ie, make sure it flows freely and regularly among the states — not to be confused with controlling, blocking, restricting or prohibiting it. Raise, borrow and appropriate money and pay the legal debts of the US. Oh, yeah, and regulate the Indian tribes. That was a dumb idea. How can you have nations within a nation?

Anyway, all else is reserved to the states and the people.


17 posted on 12/13/2011 2:37:05 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

You have a pretty fair wish list..
Many others here have their wish lists..
Including me..

Theres a thousand things that could be done maybe even should be done..
Maybe a thread of wish lists would be beneficial..
With a bean counter of consolidate them..


18 posted on 12/13/2011 2:45:37 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Newt had me at “Repeal Obamacare and SOX...”


19 posted on 12/13/2011 2:51:33 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: hosepipe

Progressive? I see Newt wanting to return as many functions as possible back to the states, deregulate, tort reform, neuter the fed, ELIMINATE the EPA, privatize social security and medicare (and return them to the states and the people), cut taxes, reduce the deficit, and balance the budget. All look like great plans to me.

http://www.newt.org/news/gingrichs-plan-restore-american-manufacturing-far-bolder-romneys


20 posted on 12/13/2011 3:17:54 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

WORKS for ME...and while your at it Newt, get that friggin corn syrup out my CocaCola and that friggin corn oil out my gasoline....


21 posted on 12/13/2011 3:22:37 AM PST by sternup
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To: Jim Robinson

Jeez. Then I’d have to dig out my suspenders and yellow ties.


22 posted on 12/13/2011 3:27:44 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Jim Robinson
Gingrich, who blames excessive regulation for the 2008 financial crisis, also wants to advance Reaganomics by repealing the Dodd-Frank and Sarbanes-Oxley laws governing the financial sector and by replacing the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Labor Relations Board.

I'd love to see the EPA be pared back to its essential functions of protecting the environment and identifying/cleaning toxic waste sites. And to see the FDA also returned to its original function, to ensure a safe food supply and drug safety. So many government agencies have grown far beyond their original roles of protecting citizens, and have taken on the function of trying to control citizens' lives. Agencies such as the Dept. of Education, which have no apparent function, should be eliminated altogether.

23 posted on 12/13/2011 3:51:57 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Cheney Tells CNN Not To Underestimate Newt Gingrich
24 posted on 12/13/2011 3:58:02 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Have you noticed all the 80’s sounding music that is making a comeback? Go Newt!!!


25 posted on 12/13/2011 3:58:14 AM PST by Boardwalk (FUBO)
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To: Jim Robinson

I can’t find anything wrong with this plan, no matter how hard the MSM spins it.

On a lighter note, someone should PhotoShop Newt in an 80s hair band...in the spirit of the headline.


26 posted on 12/13/2011 4:05:20 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: hosepipe

Last time I checked, it wasn’t up to the POTUS to reduce the size of state governments.


27 posted on 12/13/2011 4:06:18 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And just at the cusp of another cold war, too. Not to mention another failed Dem presidency and major recession. It’s 1979 again!


28 posted on 12/13/2011 4:23:28 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Bobalu

Hate to break it to you, but Newt is not Reagan. Far from it. Remember how he squandered the 1994 victory with his inconsistent, insincere follow-up? Remember how he resigned his seat a disgraced hypocrite?


29 posted on 12/13/2011 4:25:43 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Jim Robinson
When I saw McCain, I thought that the Republicans had hit the nadir of anti-conservatism. But then I saw Mittens and thought wow they managed to get a more liberal candidate than even McCain, surely they can't do anything worse than this. Now they have newt and once again the Republicans have managed to surprise me in that if they were looking for the antithesis of conservative they couldn't get any worse than globull warming supporting, obama care supporting, sara brady bad anti-gun Newt.

I THINK that maybe 0bama is still worse, but the difference between the Republican candidate and the Democratic one is fast becoming a distinction without a difference.

30 posted on 12/13/2011 4:31:46 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Jim Robinson

Those are GOOD things!

:-)


31 posted on 12/13/2011 4:34:57 AM PST by left that other site
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To: hosepipe
And to think Newt is STILL enamored by its ideology..

What are you referring to? I've never heard Newt say "I am for socialism!"

32 posted on 12/13/2011 4:44:30 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Just a couple of thoughts:

1. We are in a far worse place than we were in 1979. Our debt and government are far larger and more powerful than they were.
2. Reagan had to deal with a democrat House and Senate. They outspent him. We can't afford to go through that again. Congress must become conservative. That will be harder than defeating Obama.
3. Reagan and the democrat controlled Congress also kicked the Social Security can down the road. That is no longer an option.
3. I'll vote for Gingrich if he is the nominee but I have the sneaky feeling he is the same animal he was in the mid 1990s and thinks the Republicans can “fix” the federal government as it is currently constructed and make it work better. It's too late for the scalpel, we need the chainsaw.
4. No matter who the nominee and eventual President, I fear our fate is in the hands of the Senate. That means Republicans must have a 60 seat majority and 30 of those need to be conservatives. How many conservatives do we have now? 8? 10 at the most?

33 posted on 12/13/2011 5:05:54 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s like going into the sickroom, throwing open the windows for sun and air, and removing the leeches from the unfortunate patient.
Sometimes that is enough.
Remove the quack physicians and their devices, and nature will do the rest.


34 posted on 12/13/2011 5:08:25 AM PST by Lady Lucky ( Merry Christmas to all)
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To: sternup
WORKS for ME...and while your at it Newt, get that friggin corn syrup out my CocaCola and that friggin corn oil out my gasoline....

I want a new episode of Moonlighting.

35 posted on 12/13/2011 5:15:01 AM PST by Lady Lucky ( Merry Christmas to all)
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To: raybbr
This
36 posted on 12/13/2011 5:19:05 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: hosepipe

I know this is off topic, but...

I agree about Michelle Bachmann...good strong conservative...but her voice pattern is really starting to get annoying! Not as annoying as Obama, but it is getting there. It has the same pattern over and over again that almost verges on sounding whiny.
Don’t get me wrong I could have her as President, but I don’t think I could listen to her any more than I can listen to Obama. I know this is incredibly shallow, but she needs a serious vocal adjustment.


37 posted on 12/13/2011 5:45:00 AM PST by AlwaysFrosty
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To: Jim Robinson

Wow, that crazy old Newt. What a leftist, progressive RINO to propose this plan.

(sarc tag shouldn’t be needed)


38 posted on 12/13/2011 6:13:31 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: PhilDragoo
With all the regulation and permitting, nothing is built, nothing is drilled, energy is dear, and jobs disappear.

Yep. The majority of home improvement jobs I'm getting are seniors, or DINK's with at least one of them having a government job.

39 posted on 12/13/2011 6:14:34 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, I think we the tea party should work our butts off next year to ensure Obama is voted out and that we retake the senate and increase our majority in the house and continue taking over state and local governments all across this great land.

Amen. I was just emailing my state congress critter, reminding him that most of the folks that show up at his open houses are TEA party folks and we elected him.

He beat a 14 year demonRAT by 100 votes in W PA in a district that had been demonRAT since before I started even watching politics in the 1950s.

We are trying to get school vouchers and Voter ID and a few other things passed and he knows we are watching and emailing and donating and phone calling and voting and we ain't going to sleep and let "our critters" alone.

I've written more emails to my guy than I ever did to the demonRAT because I knew that the demonRAT didn't care about me, because he thought he was untouchable.

My demonRAT guy played 2nd base for my Little League Team back in the 70s and he has come to my house several times since he got his hat handed to him, vowing to "listen" to the voters if we give him another opportunity.

He is a recovering demonRAT, but I still can't trust him, because given a hard choice, his RAT party will always win over his "principles".

40 posted on 12/13/2011 6:35:49 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: hosepipe

“My only hope is that Bachmann has the gravitas to fix it all” YEP put your faith in a IRS Tax Lawyer...are you stupid in other ways?


41 posted on 12/13/2011 7:49:52 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: hosepipe

Newt’s running for president, not governor.

As president, he wants to reduce the role of the federal government and return those responsibilities to the states.

Each state would handle those responsilities differently.

Some (like NY and Calif) would probably do more and have bigger agencies than the federal govt did.

Some (like Alabama) would have smaller agencies.

Some (like Utah) would decide that wasn’t even a proper function of the state govt and not implement the agency at the state level at all.

Moving responsibility form the feds to the states means each state will handle it differntly. That’s better than the status quo (where the federal govt does everything) and (more imortantly) that’s the way it was designed to work. States are supposed to be different. That’s why we have states (which is the word for a country) and not provinces (which is the word for a subset of a larger government).


42 posted on 12/13/2011 9:03:58 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: RockinRight
Last time I checked, it wasn’t up to the POTUS to reduce the size of state governments.

Good point. If Newt or anyone else can bring down the size of the federal government, we citizens can reduce the state and local governments to the appropriate size.

43 posted on 12/13/2011 9:33:58 AM PST by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: Jim Robinson

bttt


44 posted on 12/13/2011 9:48:27 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: RockinRight

With a 15 going on 16 TRILLION DEFICIT. Going back to the 80’s would be unrealistic. But hey Newt made a “good” friend in Rupert Murdock. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


45 posted on 12/13/2011 9:50:25 AM PST by marty60
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To: hosepipe
Noot says he wants less Federal government BUT More State government..

Thats a pretty good shuffle of shells and hiding of the "pea"..

Whats needed is LESS Federal government AND LESS State government..
NooT is a good barker at the political circus..
Any smart voter will notice the ruse and the gambit..

Unfortunately there are few smart voters.. we MAY BE SCREWED..

ONLY Paul and Bachmann sees this.. but are afraid to actually "say it".. pity..
Poor old Santorum is all googawed up...

Noot, Rick and Myth are "Used America Salesmen"...


Ding, ding, ding! Ah ... you fox you. You caught on to the game.
46 posted on 12/13/2011 9:58:16 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Jim Robinson

“All powers not delegated to the federal government by the constitution are reserved to the states and the PEOPLE.”

Exactly right. However Newt’s detractors including Glenn Beck are parsing what Newt is actually saying for their own agenda.


47 posted on 12/13/2011 10:21:37 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: hosepipe
... Amazing that socialism is still legal.. since its known and has been known socialism(in all its forms) number one agenda is over throwing our government..

When young I figured it could never happen.. but I had no idea how advanced the progressives were in taking over the Unions.. and that education in America was in for marked change.. The progressives have indeed been brilliant..


How sad but true. Like you I've seen it coming, but I believed my time would have come long before we reached the stage at which we currently find ourselves. I have been reading a lot recently about 'cultural marxism', about how smart the enemy within has been in infiltrating all aspects of our government, education, media, entertainment, even religious organizations. The old frog in a pot theory has been combined with an astute understanding of human nature and used in a very sophisticated manner.

IMHO newt, myth, and rick are all still enamoured with socialism. Their pitch is that they will tweak it and make it more efficient, not start peeling it away.
48 posted on 12/13/2011 10:24:25 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Jim Robinson
[ Progressive? I see Newt wanting to return as many functions as possible back to the states, deregulate, tort reform, neuter the fed, ELIMINATE the EPA, privatize social security and medicare (and return them to the states and the people), cut taxes, reduce the deficit, and balance the budget. All look like great plans to me. ]

Newt has famously called Prez. T.Roosevelt and Prez.Wilson (two famous progressives) his mentors.. and he has not backed down from that.. Newt knows exactly who those people are..

I do admit that Newt "SAYS" things I want to hear though..

Zero didnt fool me though I knew he was a lying bastard.. and would do the opposite of what he said.. because hes a democrat.. There are many republican progressives.. (like Romney).. and as I've said ... nOOt..

I'm not sure of Perry, CAin and Hunstman.. they may be as well.. The only ones I'm almost sure of is Bachmann and Paul.. and Paul may be a bit off his rocker..

49 posted on 12/13/2011 11:31:02 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: RockinRight

[ Last time I checked, it wasn’t up to the POTUS to reduce the size of state governments. ]

I don’t advise NooT on what to say...


50 posted on 12/13/2011 11:33:50 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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