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Drone downed in Iran probably ours, US says
CNN ^ | December 4th, 2011 | Barbara Starr

Posted on 12/04/2011 1:31:05 PM PST by buzzer

Operators of a U.S. drone lost flight control of it along Afghanistan's western border with Iran, according to a U.S. official with knowledge of the incident. The crew operating the unmanned drone reported a loss of flight control just before the drone went down. U.S. officials are aware of reports out of Iran that they shot down a U.S. RQ-170 Sentinel and believe this may be the drone the Iranians are talking about, according to this U.S. official.

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To: RitchieAprile

Anything that uses radio waves can be intercepted, recorded, analyzed, decoded and used. Just matter of time.


41 posted on 12/04/2011 5:31:42 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: buzzer
I say we lose a few Tomahawks in Iran next.
42 posted on 12/04/2011 5:53:29 PM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: SkyDancer

and you’re not a fella??? whoops. A double apology. lol


43 posted on 12/04/2011 6:14:50 PM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: Alas Babylon!

Lucky shooting?


44 posted on 12/04/2011 6:47:31 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Leo Carpathian
Anything that uses radio waves can be intercepted, recorded, analyzed, decoded and used. Just matter of time.,

This is not quite correct. RPVs are mostly autonomous and human intervention is quite limited. Satellite links provide data transmission back to the ground operator. You can bet that command and control signals, as well as data are all encrypted, and if the Iranians are breaking these kinds of codes and exploiting them in real time, then some folks at NSA need to be fired. Jamming does not good because the system is designed assuming that it will be jammed, which is why flight is mostly autonomous.

They might have shot one down, or it might have gone down because of a technical mishap, but that is why you fly UAVs, so that you can risk flying them in a high threat environoment. By comparison to a manned aircraft they are cheap.

45 posted on 12/04/2011 7:02:18 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: bigdaddy45

No wurries, mate. It’s fun when FReepers find out after a few posts.


46 posted on 12/04/2011 7:41:16 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: buzzer

Why is everyone posting twice?


47 posted on 12/04/2011 7:51:31 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: buzzer

Why is everyone posting twice?


48 posted on 12/04/2011 7:52:08 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Looks like everyone here graduated from the school of redundancy again.


49 posted on 12/04/2011 9:08:22 PM PST by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: LibWhacker

Looks like everyone here graduated from the school of redundancy again.


50 posted on 12/04/2011 9:09:10 PM PST by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
The IRQ-170 Sentinel is our LATEST STEALTH model, built using the B-2 Spirit design.

The RQ-170 Sentinel costs $6 million, in 2011 dollars.

The B-2A Spirit costs $1.07 billion, in 2011 dollars.

51 posted on 12/04/2011 9:51:31 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: SkyDancer

“The pilot is uncounted for.”

Thanks for the laugh!

It was just what I needed!

Cheers!


52 posted on 12/04/2011 10:00:24 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: AndyJackson
Anything that uses radio waves can be intercepted, recorded, analyzed, decoded and used. Just matter of time.,

This is not quite correct. RPVs are mostly autonomous and human intervention is quite limited. Satellite links provide data transmission back to the ground operator. You can bet that command and control signals, as well as data are all encrypted, and if the Iranians are breaking these kinds of codes and exploiting them in real time, then some folks at NSA need to be fired. Jamming does not good because the system is designed assuming that it will be jammed, which is why flight is mostly autonomous.

It was a general statement about anything that goes over the airwaves and it is true. Measures to minimize the interference and/or overtaking are used, but at some point direct communication (video/firing) are required and that's where the vulnerability exists. Encryption is helpful, but anything that is encrypted can be "unencrypted" just matter of time. With SDR technology it is much easier than back in the WWII days.
Relying on new RF technology (satellites, GPS, Cell phones) is fine in time of peace. When war, EMP or disasters strike, it is back to good old HF, VHF, tube radios and smoke signals :-)

53 posted on 12/05/2011 5:26:00 AM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: buzzer

Probably?


54 posted on 12/05/2011 5:30:28 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Leo Carpathian

The point, man, is that you have stated nothing not known to the designers. Hi-value RPVs are designed assuming that they will be interferred with, malisciously.

A good encryption system cannot be decrypted in real time as would be necessary to interfere with the operation of any tactical signal.

I grew up doing morse code transmissions, but it is obsolete because modern communications technology is much more reliable. Interference, etc., degrades the bandwidth of transmissions, but error correction, etc. makes this much more reliable than old fashioned teletype or morse code. You think the telephone company does not have to deal with intereference all the time just to get your telephone call through? The good old days of vacuum tubes were not such good old days. I was there.

Finally, EMP is a whole ‘nuther ball game. A high altitude burst to take out satellites, to the extent it would actually work, would invite just one response from the US.


55 posted on 12/05/2011 5:44:26 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: SkyDancer

56 posted on 12/05/2011 9:36:40 AM PST by null and void (This is day 1049 of America's ObamaVacation from reality.)
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To: AndyJackson
A high altitude burst to take out satellites, to the extent it would actually work, would invite just one response from the US.

And what, pray tell, would Obama's response be?

57 posted on 12/05/2011 9:39:44 AM PST by null and void (This is day 1049 of America's ObamaVacation from reality.)
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To: gandalftb

All kinds of double and triple postings showing up on my computer. Anyone else? Your post came through three times.


58 posted on 12/05/2011 10:43:22 AM PST by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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To: sanjuanbob

FR had server problems last night, posters that refreshed often had repeat posts.


59 posted on 12/05/2011 11:21:52 AM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: null and void

You’ve not visited my profile page, have you?


60 posted on 12/05/2011 11:29:33 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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