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Spain rejects socialism only three per cent of EU citizens now have Left-wing governments
The Telegraph ^ | 11-21-11 | Daniel Hannan

Posted on 11/25/2011 5:16:21 AM PST by Arcy

It's not often that you get the same headline in ABC and El País , but a result on such a scale allowed no room for interpretation: the two old rivals agreed that Spain had entrusted her future wholly to the conservatives.

Happily, no one can now question the PP's mandate. Throughout the campaign, Rajoy promised to cut the debt and get people back to work by reforming Spain's sclerotic labour laws.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: election; espana; eu; europe; europeanunion; socialism; spain
Eventually, when you run out of OTHER PEOPLE's money, you have no choice but to embrace the time-tested system that has lifted more people out of poverty than any other and has fostered opportunity for anyone willing to work - capitalism!
1 posted on 11/25/2011 5:16:26 AM PST by Arcy
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To: Arcy

Spain’s problems may already be so insurmountable, especially as a Euro participant, that even a “Conservative” mandate may not be able to fix things. Then who will they vote for?

I suppose I should be less cynical and just be happy for the moment.


2 posted on 11/25/2011 5:38:30 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Arcy

My admonition to the people of Europe:

This is not a.TV show. Geo-political change will not happen in a year or two. Just as the socialists were patient, gradually infesting your parties, churches, schools, and bureaucracies...so too must YOU be patient.

You have made a good first step. Continue the work, and take whatever victories you can. DO NOT expect to win every skirmish...if you do you’ll get frustrated and prone to surrender. Frankly, I think that has been one of our problems here in America in the wake of the great victory in 2010.

Remember Churchill’s words: Never, never, never give up! (Or something to that effect!)


3 posted on 11/25/2011 5:46:17 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece and maybe others cannot survive in the Eurozone. It's that simple. They have to get out, issue their own currencies, and start to institute their own monetary policies.

I laugh at the conspiracy theorists on FR who claim there is a move afoot to launch a North American currency (the Amero?). Any "currency union" is bound to fail, just like the Euro is failing.

4 posted on 11/25/2011 5:51:03 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
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To: Arcy
But they just had to try it--though anyone with an IQ over 60 knew at a glance that the result would be disaster.

It was.

You just can't fix stupidity.

5 posted on 11/25/2011 6:03:34 AM PST by Savage Beast (The Left promises the moon. It delivers Detroit.)
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To: Incorrigible
I think that Spain can solve it's problems..though it will be very hards to overcome the damage done to the country the last 6 years.

Remember, Spain had two conservative governments (1996-2004) was doing very well economically, was a strong supported of the US post 9/11, and was posed to re-elected the conservatives. Three days before the vote, the Madrid train bombings gave the Socialists a win, because they promised to appease the terrorists..once in power...they institued a full socialist agenda.. ( never miss the opportunity to take advantage of something bad, eh, Rahm) and only now have been tossed. Portugal, OTOH, is toast..

6 posted on 11/25/2011 6:05:14 AM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: Incorrigible

Spain’s conservatives may have arrived just in time to take the blame - and that may also happen in the USA next fall.


7 posted on 11/25/2011 6:06:28 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Arcy

I’m guessing Michelle won’t be vacationing there again.


8 posted on 11/25/2011 6:09:02 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Arcy

The socialists/liberals/progressives didn’t go away. Look at the election results. There are still huge numbers of irrational leftists in Europe.


9 posted on 11/25/2011 6:14:41 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Arcy
It's not like the damage wasn't done.
10 posted on 11/25/2011 6:31:43 AM PST by Tribune7 (Perry, Newt, Cain or Santorum)
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To: Tribune7

That’s the problem. Undoing it is so hard. It’s like pulling an arrow out of the patient’s chest.


11 posted on 11/25/2011 6:45:35 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Arcy

Conservatives in europe wouldn’t be considered conservative in the US.


12 posted on 11/25/2011 6:49:50 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Arcy

Unfortunately, these formerly socialist countries don’t have the time, traditions, and financial means to turn themselves around in any reasonable timeframe. And history seems to show that even if things were to get turned around in say 10 years, the people of Spain/Italy/Greece/Portugal/etc. would probably turn right around and vote in the socialists again to go through this same sad parade.


13 posted on 11/25/2011 7:02:59 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Arcy
Only three per cent of EU citizens now have Left-wing governments

I doubt that. Do conservatives control the legislatures, executives, judiciary and the bureaucracies? What's killing Europe is decades of socialist policies and the institutions that implement them.

14 posted on 11/25/2011 7:08:53 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L90BCEVH41U


15 posted on 11/25/2011 7:18:38 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Arcy
Unfortunately, the major right-wing parties in Europe are still to the left of FDR and LBJ, so this story isn't exactly true.

Fascism (called right-wing) was nothing but managed socialism based on hyper-nationalism.

Europe (with the exception of the UK and the low countries) went straight from statist monarchies/dictators to statist socialist-democracies. They simply don't have any historical frame of reference for libertarian government.

16 posted on 11/25/2011 7:19:17 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Arcy
Spain rejects socialism – only three per cent of EU citizens now have Left-wing governments

Cool! Now move the deck chairs over there, and ignore the rising water...

Too little, too late, IMHO.

Nothing can prevent the pain at this point.

17 posted on 11/25/2011 7:38:02 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Arcy

Europe’s so called “conservative” governments are not exactly Reaganites, or even Romnemites.


18 posted on 11/25/2011 8:08:41 AM PST by pallis
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Still Churchill surrendered Poland after all. He fought to remove it from Nazism but let the communists have it in 1945. Yea, I know he was repudiated by socialist voters that same year.


19 posted on 11/25/2011 8:12:46 AM PST by Theodore R. (Forget the others: It's Santorum's turn, articulate, passionate, less baggage.)
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To: Caipirabob

They won’t have “left-wing” governments? Is this possible? Their voters are just disillusioned socialists waiting for the successful socialist to come along, sort of like some Democrats here waiting for Hillary Rodham Clinton.


20 posted on 11/25/2011 8:14:58 AM PST by Theodore R. (Forget the others: It's Santorum's turn, articulate, passionate, less baggage.)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

That probable thing needed last time two hundred murders to happen.


21 posted on 11/25/2011 8:21:50 AM PST by J Aguilar (Fiat Justitia et ruat coelum)
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To: Theodore R.

? That has squat to do with my post.


22 posted on 11/25/2011 8:25:27 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Arcy

What Europe considers ‘right wing’ governments is something we’d consider Dennis Kucinich leading.


23 posted on 11/25/2011 8:25:48 AM PST by Track9
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To: SampleMan

It would probably be considered racist (it’s not), but I have thought perhaps the US should advertise for European Immigrants in this fashion:

Are you educated? Do you have a valuable skill in business, finance, medicine, or skilled labor?

Do you feel that your country has spent way too long insisting on socialist policies and overspending?

Are you willing to take a risk, knowing that, if you fail, nobody will bail you out?

Do you see that America is in danger of that same fate, but is still far better than Europe?

Do you know English, or, are you willing to learn it?

Do you feel (even if afraid to admit it) that the United States of America is the nation most responsible for the things you do every day of your life?

Do you like American culture?

If you agree, then come on over to the US, become a citizen, and VOTE to help us turn the US into a fiscally responsible, conservative or libertarian nation that is once again the envy of the world.

In fact, I’d extend that invitation to every country in the world.


24 posted on 11/25/2011 8:32:17 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: Savage Beast

Imagine being on your deathbed, which Jacques Chirac soon will and realizing your entire life was built on a lie.


25 posted on 11/25/2011 8:33:44 AM PST by Track9
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Its a Start but the Socialists will not give up with out a fight. Expect any cuts to be met with violent demonstrations and maybe bombings. In time all Europe will go conservative and nationalistic. EC to be replaced with old style power politics and alliances. History repeated. If it fails—expect confusion and fascists Leaders to rise up and “Fix” things. This time it will be Arabs going to the camps.


26 posted on 11/25/2011 8:43:02 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: ken5050

I always found it ironic and somewhat comical that the socialist that Spain elected after 9/11 was named Zapatero. “zapatero’’ means ‘’shoemaker’’ in Spanish. At a time when Spain need a leader they elected a shoemaker.


27 posted on 11/25/2011 9:42:58 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Arcy

Newsflash. All EU countries have left wing governments even if they call themselves “conservatives”.


28 posted on 11/25/2011 12:57:16 PM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: Arcy

They are all leftwing by my standards.


29 posted on 11/25/2011 3:39:48 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Arcy

Unfortunately a “conservative” in Europe is Barack Obama....


30 posted on 11/25/2011 4:18:15 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Arcy
Only three per cent of EU nationals now live under Left-led governments (those in Austria, Denmark, Cyprus and Slovenia.

FWIW, non-EU Norway is very much run by a left-led government. Of course, the rules of economic reality don't apply much in that petro state.

31 posted on 11/25/2011 4:45:35 PM PST by Dagnabitt
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