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conservatives, romney, and electability
wsj ^ | 11.23.11 | michael medved

Posted on 11/23/2011 9:34:55 AM PST by ken21

Rush Limbaugh's favorite slogan, "Conservatism wins every time," is more a statement of wishful thinking than an accurate summary of electoral experience

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: conservatives; liberals; romney
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comrades, get ready for the big media push,

and even the push by some on this forum,

to push us into the center.

1 posted on 11/23/2011 9:34:57 AM PST by ken21
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To: ken21

Rush did say that Obama was “unelectable” during the Texas primaries in 2008. I’ll never forget that day.


2 posted on 11/23/2011 9:36:51 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: ken21

The actual title has proper capitalization.


3 posted on 11/23/2011 9:38:17 AM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: ken21
Right. Let examine the electoral record.

Solid Conservative who won. Ronald Reagan. 2xs. In land slides.

Democrat Lite Rinos who won in landslides.....NONE

Democrat Lite Rinos who were crushed? GBush1 in 1992, Bob Dole in 1996 and John McCain in 2008.

Seems the “Wishful thinking” here is on Medved’s part.

4 posted on 11/23/2011 9:39:41 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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medevd’s a closet liberal.

i used to listen to him commuting in los angeles.

he bad-mouthed sarah palin.


5 posted on 11/23/2011 9:41:35 AM PST by ken21
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To: MNJohnnie

Well, in general I think Rush is right, but it is NOT a hard and fast rule. DeWine was FAR more conservative than Brown (loss); Santorum lost (and he is waaaay right); and in 2006 we lost several guys who were more conservative than RINO.


6 posted on 11/23/2011 9:41:53 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LurkedLongEnough

I recall a story in 2007 about how George Clooney had donated money to Barack Obama’s campaign.

A FReeper, I can’t remember who, replied that it was “money down the drain”. I agreed. Never did I think Barack Hussein Obama was electable.

Wish we had been right.


7 posted on 11/23/2011 9:45:12 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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and even the push by some on this forum...

Why aren't sociocons rallying behind Santorum? Isn't he the most social conservative candidate running? Who are the conservative champions? Where are they?

8 posted on 11/23/2011 9:50:04 AM PST by rhombus
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To: ken21
Rush Limbaugh's favorite slogan, "Conservatism wins every time," is more a statement of wishful thinking than an accurate summary of electoral experience

Medved makes the point that Reagan lost to moderates Nixon and Ford in the primaries and that Goldwater lost to Johnson in the general. All instances of establishment hacks working against the party base.

I guess Rush's statement should be that conservatism “wins every time we are able to crush the establishment quislings like Medved.”

9 posted on 11/23/2011 9:50:38 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Amen!!


10 posted on 11/23/2011 9:52:44 AM PST by MachIV
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To: rhombus
Why aren't sociocons rallying behind Santorum?

I think some are. Others just don't have a warm, fuzzy about him. It's a personality thing, I think.

11 posted on 11/23/2011 9:55:10 AM PST by freespirited
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To: rhombus

it’s the season of the election cycle that we are being asked to

give up our conservative ideas

and vote for liberal republicans.


12 posted on 11/23/2011 9:55:55 AM PST by ken21
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To: Retired Greyhound
Never did I think Barack Hussein Obama was electable.

I went even further.

I switched my registration to "Democrat" so I could vote for Obama in the NH Primary in 2008, because he would be so easy to beat.

13 posted on 11/23/2011 9:56:55 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: ken21

but you didn’t answer my question.


14 posted on 11/23/2011 10:00:15 AM PST by rhombus
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To: RightOnTheBorder

the socialist dems have been playing “good cop”

to the liberal republican “bad cop”

for a century now. both lead to socialism, one faster than the other.

we’ve had one exception to that—ronald reagan, a conservative.


15 posted on 11/23/2011 10:00:24 AM PST by ken21
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To: Jim Noble
I switched my registration to "Democrat" so I could vote for Obama in the NH Primary in 2008, because he would be so easy to beat.

"Doh! Damn that ironic justice thing."--Homer Simpson

16 posted on 11/23/2011 10:02:08 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Retired Greyhound

“A FReeper, I can’t remember who, replied that it was “money down the drain”. I agreed. Never did I think Barack Hussein Obama was electable”. mccain was our candidate.....simple as that. go back to rule #1 from El Rushbo.


17 posted on 11/23/2011 10:03:59 AM PST by stickywillie (ALE)
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To: rhombus

i was thinking last night and this morning looking at the composite poll,

santorum doesn’t get traction.

santorum’s stuck at the bottom with huntsman.

granted, santorum has attractive conservative positions.

but he comes across as whiny.

beyond this, i have no answer for you.


18 posted on 11/23/2011 10:05:08 AM PST by ken21
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To: ken21

Medved shilled for McCain from the beginning of the 2007-2008 cycle. There are a lot of reasons why the GOP lost in 2008. McLame didn’t help matters.

Elections are between candidates more than they are about ideas.

McCain was a doddering old fool who crapped his pants when the financial crisis hit. Up to that point, he was actually slightly ahead in the polls and running a somewhat effective campaign. He was getting out front of most issues. He had stolen Obama’s post-DNC Convention thunder with the exciting Sarah Palin VP pick.

Then the financial crisis hit, and he panicked. McCain also refused to adequately attack and expose Obama as a radical. (In fact, I demanded that the McCain campaign return my contribution, since he refused to aggressively campaign).

Historically, the candidate with the most energized base tends to win. The 2008 GOP base was not energized. Moderates just ride the wave. Since the excitement was around Obama in 2008, that’s the way they went. A competent GOP candidate (was there one in 2008?) might have done better, but it was a bad GOP year with a bad GOP candidate. McCain didn’t give Medved’s “moderates” any compelling reason to vote for him over Obama.

I think that any of the GOP candidates, with the exception of Ron Paul, is likely to win in 2008. But that makes it all the more important that we nominate a true conservative.


19 posted on 11/23/2011 10:08:46 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: humblegunner

This entire thread is having capitalization problems.

I think someone’s SHIFT key is broken.


20 posted on 11/23/2011 10:11:24 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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