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Voter ID law attacks democracy ( barf alert)
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 04 nov 2011 | Judith Browne Dianis and Jayme Montgomery

Posted on 11/04/2011 10:35:58 AM PDT by rellimpank

A year from now, the people of Wisconsin will be going to the polls to exercise one of the most cherished rights of our democracy: the right to vote. It is the fundamental pillar of our democracy that in the voting booth we are all equal - black or white, young or old, rich or poor. When we cast our ballot, we all raise an equal voice to determine the shape of our government.

Wisconsin legislators would deny that right. Strict new voter identification laws were proposed in 34 states, including our own. Wisconsin's new voter identification restrictions, which passed the Legislature this year, are now the strictest in the country.

Wisconsin's new law requires voters to produce a non-expired Wisconsin or federal government-issued photo identification, prohibiting use of many forms of identification that effectively verify voters' identity, such as student IDs, state employee IDs, out-of-state licenses, expired licenses and even a voter registration card. Touted on the guise of addressing so-called voter fraud, these laws are expensive to implement, disenfranchise voters, create long lines at the polls and do not prevent the very voting problems they purport to address.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; voterid; wisconsin
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1 posted on 11/04/2011 10:36:03 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

In other words, Democratic vote fraud is being effectively addressed.

They can’t win if its not close. No wonder they’re fit to be tied!


2 posted on 11/04/2011 10:38:20 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

ping


3 posted on 11/04/2011 10:39:07 AM PDT by JPG (The loons at OWS will soon be at each others throats.)
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To: rellimpank
1.) We are not a "democracy"...never have been and hopefully never will be. Democracy is a polite Greek word for "Mob Rule". Mob being a criminal organization or a unruly assembly of asses...


2.) If your broke tail can not afford a picture ID you probably do not need to have any of these other documents: Passport, Drivers License, Library Card, Mortgage, Marriage Certificate, Hunting/Fishing permit.


3.) I still don't care what liberals want or say...CRIMINALS AND ILLEGALS should never ever vote!

4 posted on 11/04/2011 10:40:58 AM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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To: rellimpank
Widespread voter fraud is a myth.

Really? You know, I don't care if there is only one instance of voter fraud in the entire United States...that's one too many. In Lake County, Indiana, dead people continue to vote...in some cases, twice. The idea of voter ID cards is long overdue and these two bleeding hearts need to consider the impact of any level of voter fraud and what it does to the very core of this Republic.

5 posted on 11/04/2011 10:43:25 AM PDT by econjack
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To: rellimpank
Touted on the guise of addressing so-called voter fraud, these laws are expensive to implement, disenfranchise voters, create long lines at the polls and do not prevent the very voting problems they purport to address.

Huh? It takes a poll worker a few seconds extra to look at your ID, which the vast majority of voters already have. Sometimes it even speeds up the voting because they have your name and address on the card so they don't have you repeat your name's spelling a few times (the poll workers where I vote are older and seem to be a little deaf). The number of real people who have never driven, never picked up a government welfare benefit and have never opened up a bank account and therefore don't have any legal ID before the voting requirement must be vanishingly small. One time the reporter complaining about this had to use nuns at a cloistered convent as an example of the disenfranchised.

6 posted on 11/04/2011 10:44:04 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: econjack

If widespread voter fraud is a myth, you would still think the Left would back measures to reinforce the integrity of our elections and make sure every one’s vote had equal worth.

They don’t. They need to cheat to win, which is why they oppose Voter ID laws.


7 posted on 11/04/2011 10:46:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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".....the people of Wisconsin will be going to the polls to exercise one of the most cherished rights of our democracy."

Well, listen up "Judith" and "Jayme." you two are perfect examples of why people ignorant of basic civics should not be allowed to vote.

This is not a "democracy." Never has been. With God's help won't become one (although we're inching dreadfully close.)

By what stretch of the utopian imagination would any sane person consent to be ruled by the whims of the uninformed, uneducated, the illegal and the dead?

This is a (so far) Free Constitutional Republic. And those of us who cherish it are prepared to defend it. Peacefully if possible, forcibly if necessary.

Now. Back to the occupied streets with you. Enjoy the winter of your discount tent.
8 posted on 11/04/2011 10:47:44 AM PDT by shibumi (Hey! No Problem!)
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To: rellimpank

I have a right to an equal vote, not cancelled by Democrat voter fraud, which I believe accounts for 20% of Democratic votes cast.


9 posted on 11/04/2011 10:49:37 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: rellimpank

I’d be willing to allow recently expired photo (say within the year) IDs that would be acceptable if current. It undercuts the comments in the article about excluding valid voters.

That said, we HAVE to have voter ID if you want truthful elections. Of course, if you want to influence elections outside of the regular voting process, elimination of voter ID is a great place to start.


10 posted on 11/04/2011 10:49:43 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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Liberals can go eat crap. 2nd Admendment is a right, and I have to show picture ID to buy a firearm. Plus wait one week for handguns. Would they like us to add a one week waiting period to the voter ID requirement????


11 posted on 11/04/2011 10:50:36 AM PDT by Fee
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To: rellimpank

“The sacred covenant of our democracy”

By LAW, OUR country is a Constitutional REPUBLIC, Not a BLEEPING DEMOCRACY!

Democratic, One Man One Vote Covenants are nothing more than Mob Rule.

The idea here is to make it More Difficult for Non Americans to vote.


12 posted on 11/04/2011 10:50:43 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: rellimpank

Present Fed or State photo ID to vote...

Excellent, as it should be


13 posted on 11/04/2011 10:53:07 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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Touted on the guise of addressing so-called voter fraud...

I'm a former democrat - voter fraud is real. Dems cheat. Everyone above a certain level knows it. Either the MSM is unaware of this - because their best friends, husbands, wives, boyfriends or girlfriends have decided to keep this quiet OR they know and they don't care...

14 posted on 11/04/2011 10:53:34 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Democrats are the only reason to vote for Republicans.... Will Rogers)
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To: SampleMan

Eliminate the homeless, the folks in prisons, the illegal and the dead - Democratic victories are no longer a sure lock.

No wonder they’re on the verge of undisguised panic. This law unnerves them like nothing else we have ever seen.

And I’m enjoying every moment of their flusteration.


15 posted on 11/04/2011 10:53:39 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rellimpank
Wisconsin's new voter identification restrictions, which passed the Legislature this year, are now the strictest in the country.

Wisconsin's new voter identification restrictions, which passed the Legislature this year, are among the simplest in the country. It is easy to obtain a voter ID; it is cheap to obtain a voter ID, even if you have no money. We, the people, have both a responsibility and right to vote.

We want to feel assured that we have one vote for one voter. ZERO people will be disenfranchised by the requirement for a voter ID. There may be fewer voters when the fraudulent voters have been eliminated by the new requirement. That would be a good thing for ALL of us.

16 posted on 11/04/2011 10:54:50 AM PDT by olezip
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To: rellimpank

The libs are complaining that in Wisconson the university students can’t use their student ID as identification to vote. Does the student ID identify the student as a legal citizen of Wisconsin? If not they need to go home and vote in their State or Country.


17 posted on 11/04/2011 10:56:22 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: rellimpank

To HELL with Democracy!

I want the REPUBLIC our founders gave us back!


18 posted on 11/04/2011 10:58:18 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: rellimpank
Wisconsin's new law requires voters to produce a non-expired Wisconsin or federal government-issued photo identification, prohibiting use of many forms of identification that effectively verify voters' identity, such as student IDs, state employee IDs, out-of-state licenses, expired licenses and even a voter registration card.

They are especially incensed about not allowing student IDs. Generally, a student ID does not show your address of residence. It is thus possible for a student to vote three times:

(1) at the campus poll using student ID,

(2) at your off-campus residence poll, using your driver's license, and

(3) absentee at your parent's home.

State employee ID generally has the same issue, they don't show your residence address.

Out of state license? Aren't you supposed to be a resident of WI to vote in WI? If you are a resident, you are supposed to turn in your out-of-state license and get a WI license.

19 posted on 11/04/2011 11:02:00 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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To: rellimpank
A year from now, the people of Wisconsin will be going to the polls to exercise one of the most cherished rights of our democracy: the right to vote. Wisconsin legislators would deny that right.

Hogwash (the commenters there think so too). Watch the Democrats start losing elections now, which is the subliminal gripe of this article. A secure election process is one of our most cherished rights - without it, we are a Banana Republic.

However, there seems to still be some loopholes in this "strictest" law. I checked out the ID requirements, which state, among others, "Acceptable forms of proof of residence: any employer-issued photo I.D. card, issued in the normal course of business; a university, college or technical college fee card or I.D. card with your photo and current address; a utility bill (e.g., gas, electric, cable TV or telephone) for the period commencing not earlier than 90 days before election day; a bank statement; a pay check or a government check or other document issued by unit of government."

Where's the beef?

20 posted on 11/04/2011 11:02:10 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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