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What's The Matter With Oakland?
The Atlantic ^ | 11/3/11 | Megan McArdle

Posted on 11/04/2011 4:19:38 AM PDT by Haiku Guy

Cards on the table: y'all know that the Occupy protests and I don't agree politically. Nonetheless, I've been basically supportive of their right to protest, sympathetic to their frustrations with the system, and interested in their problems (and solutions) of self organization in a rather chaotic and fluid situation. Unless there were clear and dramatic harms to the community, I figured the cops should leave them alone until the protests dispersed naturally.

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At this point, the movement is hurting itself more than it's helping--at least, if you think their goal is to peacefully and democratically push for changes in the laws, a task for which they are going to require some support beyond the committed left. If you don't, of course . . . well, that has all sorts of implications.

If I suggest that the movement, and the left, needs to control this before the public really turns on OWS, I'll be accused of concern trolling. So I'll just say that despite our substantial disagreements, (and doubts about the effectiveness) I've been broadly supportive of the OWS project of organizing for change. However, if events continue to go in an Oakland direction, I'm going to become rather hostile to the movement. And I doubt that I'm the only one.

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MEGAN MCARDLE - Megan McArdle is a senior editor for The Atlantic who writes about business and economics. She has worked at three start-ups, a consulting firm, an investment bank, a disaster recovery firm at Ground Zero, and the Economist has somehow managed to parlay an unerring ability to be always wrong about everything into a lucrative career that requires no manual labor.
1 posted on 11/04/2011 4:19:40 AM PDT by Haiku Guy
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To: Haiku Guy

Click through to the article, to see how our keen observer of the scene, Megan McArdle, manages to discern microscopic differences in the level of violence and lawlessness at Tea Party and OWS rallies...


2 posted on 11/04/2011 4:21:18 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: Haiku Guy
One of McArdle's many errors is that she assumes that the violent protesters in Oakland are carbon-copies of the milquetoast just-wanna-get-high idiots protesting in Lower Manhattan. Oakland radicals have a long history of attempting to foment violent revolution. The Oakland protest was more confrontational and violent from the git-go.

Maybe if she wrote for The Pacific instead of The Atlantic, she would be more hip to the Oakland scene...

3 posted on 11/04/2011 4:27:47 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: Haiku Guy
As I said to the tea partiers who carried guns to protests: this sort of thing should stop. Not because you don't have a right to it, but because it frightens people. And large political protests should strive to avoid things that make others afraid for their physical safety, even if you know in your heart that you mean no harm. Whoever organized this should have known better.

One Protester. One damn protester parading around with his rifle, being shunned by all. We're still talking about this one moron a-year-and-a-half later.

Meanwhile, armed thugs burn down half of Oakland, and Megan McArdle strains to admit that they might be a teensy-weensy little bit more violent than the Tea Party protesters, who harmed absolutely nobody, and cleaned up the parks as they left.

4 posted on 11/04/2011 4:30:31 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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Can't you just hear that main-line upper class WASP accent?

"You icky little people are frightening me! Cease at once!! One can't take a peaceful stroll anymore without being mobbed or surrounded by filthy unwashed..."

5 posted on 11/04/2011 4:31:21 AM PDT by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: Haiku Guy
I was watching the local News last Night.

They had about 50 protesters in Asheville, NC maybe after 10.

The police arrested them all.

They started saying how its costing the city, $ 5,000.00 so far.

Also most of the Police are being used to watch these protesters.

Then they did the interview of the person on the street and they are getting more upset by the day with the costs and usage of Police.

6 posted on 11/04/2011 4:34:52 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: Haiku Guy
I figured the cops should leave them alone until the protests dispersed naturally.

But they don't disperse 'naturally'. And these won't, unless it is due to the weather. The 'protesters' will force a confrontation and the 'protest' will end in violence. That is what they want, some point will be proved in their own minds that way, and they will get it.
7 posted on 11/04/2011 4:37:04 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Haiku Guy
I don't want to minimize the things that have been done to protesters--I think the police should have exercised far more restraint, and if it's true that a man deliberately ran his car into jaywalking protesters yesterday, he deserves to be in jail. But that's not an excuse for rioting.

"Jaywalking protesters"?!?

An armed mob surrounding your car in the street, preventing you from moving, banging on the hood and doors and throwing paint on the windshield? Is that what we call "jaywalking" these days?

One of my pet peeves about the Dispicable Left is that they never miss an opportunity to accuse others of wrongdoing while simultaneously minimizing their own crimes.

Here a crowd swarms a car, harrasses the man and woman inside, throws paint on it and bangs on the the hood and windows, just because the couple happen to be driving a Mercedes down the wrong street at the wrong time. Then when the driver tries to move out of the way, some hippie stands in front of his bumper to block him, and gets nudged. Then the crowd pulls the driver and the woman out of the car to do God knows what, and they have to be rescued by riot police.

This is what is known as "jaywalking" in The Atlantic...

8 posted on 11/04/2011 4:42:20 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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basically supportive of their right to protest

They have a right to protest. Not to be dirtbags and trash the parks and not to be vandals and spray paint slogans on buildings and not to be criminal and rape and steal and sell drugs.
Their actions drown out their protest...............


9 posted on 11/04/2011 4:42:23 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Haiku Guy
Watch for this more and more...the bottom is coming up and there will be calls for the TOP TO COME DOWN.

"I was okay with this until there was violence. Please, Government, do something...anything to make it stop".

Queue the theme from Jaws.

10 posted on 11/04/2011 4:43:42 AM PDT by IrishPennant (We don't want to work so we go to work to make enough money not to work...Huh?)
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To: Haiku Guy

(As I said to the tea partiers who carried guns to protests: this sort of thing should stop. Not because you don’t have a right to it, but because it frightens people)

Why would it frighten people?
Have we gotten that far away from the folks that brought this Nation into being and fought and won 2 World Wars?
I have carried weapons for decades and I am around people regularly that carry weapons. I do not feel frightened. I feel safe!


11 posted on 11/04/2011 4:45:07 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

I wonder, if I pitched a tent and the sidewalk in front of Megan McArdle’s house, and started banging a drum at all times of the day and night, parading around naked and crapping on her begonias, if she would continue to be supportive of my right to protest.


12 posted on 11/04/2011 4:45:26 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: Haiku Guy

“What’s the matter with Oakland?”

MC Hammer.


13 posted on 11/04/2011 4:49:30 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Haiku Guy

14 posted on 11/04/2011 4:49:56 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: expat1000
The 'protesters' will force a confrontation and the 'protest' will end in violence. That is what they want, some point will be proved in their own minds that way, and they will get it.

That is the obvious next step in this progression.

For the protest to move to the next level, somebody is going to have to die. Commies need their martyrs.

If they can't convince some weak-willed moron to flic his bic for the cause, and self-immolate, they will have to rely on the police to provide the dead body.

Expect the provocations to become more and more outrageous and violent, particularly in Oakland, until the police are forced to intervene with overwhelming force and somebody gets killed. They it's Katie Bar The Door...

Of course, the police know full well this is the game, so they are doing everything they can to keep it from getting to this point.

15 posted on 11/04/2011 4:51:57 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: kcvl

Even Laz has his limits.


16 posted on 11/04/2011 4:53:32 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Haiku Guy
Shouldn't the title read;

"What Isn't The Matter With Oakland?"

17 posted on 11/04/2011 4:56:29 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: Haiku Guy

Taze ‘em all...Bro.


18 posted on 11/04/2011 4:56:44 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Haiku Guy
The mayor of Oakland, Jean Quan, is certainly complicit for having amplified this event, in my view, intentionally. First she tolerated the "Occupation." Then she supplied the necessary "police brutality" to magnify the grievances. Then she allowed City of Oakland employees time off work to enlarge the protest!

One wonders who is supplying her with the formula. More concerning is the motive and ultimate intent of her apparent handlers. We don't have a race riot yet, but it isn't unlikely they'll get around to tossing the ol' blacks v. Mexicans thing into the brew. 'La Raza, gotta toss in La Raza and we'll get LA into the act.' Then what? Turn it against the burbs? It's a bit late to light the hills on fire, but there's no place to run for those folks.

19 posted on 11/04/2011 4:57:23 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
They have a right to protest. Not to be dirtbags and trash the parks and not to be vandals and spray paint slogans on buildings and not to be criminal and rape and steal and sell drugs.

Notice how the police are always on the scene delivering a wood shampoo to Operation Rescue protestors who gather peacefully for a few hours then quietly disperse. The city is willing to break out the tear-gas and rubber bullets if a TEA party didn't get the proper permits, install the restroom facilities and pre-pay for police overtime and bond the well-defined and time-limited First Amendment guaranteed protest. For this group the city is practically sponsoring the mayhem. Why anyone with character or morals still lives in that wicked city is beyond me. Stockholm Syndrome most likely.

20 posted on 11/04/2011 4:58:17 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: kcvl

Think you could have picked her as the liberal hack out of a lineup down at the police station?


21 posted on 11/04/2011 4:58:37 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
They have a right to protest. Not to be dirtbags and trash the parks and not to be vandals and spray paint slogans on buildings and not to be criminal and rape and steal and sell drugs. Their actions drown out their protest.

Yep, they're just like that racist Tea Party, aren't they? /sarc

22 posted on 11/04/2011 4:58:52 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Obama's presidency is shovel-ready; let's bury it in 2012!)
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McArdle began blogging in November 2001; her blog was originally called “Live From The WTC”, because she was working at the time for a construction firm doing cleanup at the World Trade Center site following the September 11 attacks. She wrote under the pen name “Jane Galt”.

McArdle married journalist Peter Suderman in 2010. She was a vegan for a year in 2008, which she ended due to a soy allergy caused by Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. She has written: “I must stand up for vegan or vegetarian ‘chicken’ nuggets. They are delicious. Even though I now eat meat again, I still prefer the vegetarian version to the ‘real’ thing, especially after seeing what chicken nuggets are made from.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_McArdle


23 posted on 11/04/2011 4:58:57 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Haiku Guy
Of course, the police know full well this is the game, so they are doing everything they can to keep it from getting to this point.

And America is watching these same police standing by letting hoodlums take over and destroy the place and thinking "why would I ever want to step foot in that lawless Hell hole"? Meanwhile, as the city is burning, the police are still setting up speed traps and citing non OWS thugs for littering.

The Oakland government is facilitating the problem and giving American more reason to distrust this farce of order and civility.

24 posted on 11/04/2011 5:03:43 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Carry_Okie
The mayor of Oakland, Jean Quan, is certainly complicit for having amplified this event, in my view, intentionally.

Mayor Quan, along with a lot of mayors, have decided to dance with the Devil for political purposes. They nurtured this protest, and gave it every opportunity to grow, because they thought the could harness the energy for the benefit of the Democrat Party.

Now, of course, the Beast is going to turn and bite them, as the Beast always does.

I have always tried to hold to Napoleon's maxim, "Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity...". But it is hard to believe than anybody could be this stupid.

25 posted on 11/04/2011 5:07:59 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: SpaceBar; Lazamataz
Even Laz has his limits.

I've never seen evidence to back this up.

26 posted on 11/04/2011 5:08:16 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: The Theophilus

I am going to be in the Bay Area in a few weeks. I have two choices to get to where I’m going. I can either take the direct route across the Bay Bridge, or take the roundabout route through SF, the Golden Gate Bridge and around the bay. The latter route is prettier, but takes an extra hour.

I think I am going to take the scenic route this year!


27 posted on 11/04/2011 5:11:30 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: pgyanke; Lazmataz
Laz may (theoretically) have his limits, but 'dat is well within them...
28 posted on 11/04/2011 5:13:21 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: Haiku Guy
What's the matter with Oakland?

Liberalism. Oakland's last Mayor was California's current Governor, Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown and has been dominated by Liberal polluticians and "civic leaders" for decades.

29 posted on 11/04/2011 5:14:48 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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My DIL gives blood regularly and yesterday she was called to give blood for the Oakland OWSers. She refused and tolld them no way was her blood going to that cause!

She used to be rather liberal......then she married my son :D

30 posted on 11/04/2011 5:16:59 AM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: kcvl
McArdle began blogging in November 2001; her blog was originally called “Live From The WTC”, because she was working at the time for a construction firm doing cleanup at the World Trade Center site following the September 11 attacks. She wrote under the pen name “Jane Galt”.

McArdle began blogging remorselessly self promoting over the still unrecovered bones of the 9/11 dead in November 2001...

FIFY

31 posted on 11/04/2011 5:17:45 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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Hahahaha...of course, now I have this vision thingy in my head.


32 posted on 11/04/2011 5:21:08 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Haiku Guy
Oakland protesters seem different from Zuccotti park, they were dressed all in black and breaking windows. Van Jones is from Oakland.
33 posted on 11/04/2011 5:22:40 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Haiku Guy; Lazamataz

I just came from a thread on Wasserman Shultz... I’m thinking I may have found the boundaries of Laz’s limits...


34 posted on 11/04/2011 5:28:00 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: kcvl

35 posted on 11/04/2011 5:29:11 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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Now, of course, the Beast is going to turn and bite them, as the Beast always does.

Look at how The Slave Party used the racial protests and riots of the 1960s to construct and maintain a permanently indentured constituency with the Great Society. After an example like that, are you telling me that they're so dense as not to see a way to enlarge said powers with "an emergency"? "We just can't hold a legitimate election in a chaotic situation like this." With the country turning against them, they NEED a true class war or else they're done and they know it.

Look at how carefully the commies have been planting the idea that violence is a legitimate response to the economic collapse the left engineered. Notice that they don't care what the grievance is; anything that will keep people sounding off is just fine with them because THEY will supply the "solution" in due time. I promise you: No matter now incoherent is the range of motives found on the street, when said "solution" is proffered it will be the same soundbite nationwide. These people do have email.

36 posted on 11/04/2011 5:29:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Haiku Guy

What’s The Matter With Oakland?

Liberalism


37 posted on 11/04/2011 5:31:51 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Here is the clarity of Thomas Sowell:

But if these loud mouths' inability to put together a coherent line of thought is any indication of their education, the taxpayers should demand their money back for having that money wasted on them for years in the public schools.

Sloppy words and sloppy thinking often go together, both in the mobs and in the media that are covering them. It is common, for example, to hear in the media how some "protesters" were arrested. But anyone who reads this column regularly knows that I protest against all sorts of things -- and don't get arrested.

The difference is that I don't block traffic, join mobs sleeping overnight in parks or urinate in the street. If the media cannot distinguish between protesting and disturbing the peace, then their education may also have wasted a lot of taxpayers' money.

38 posted on 11/04/2011 5:35:58 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: pgyanke
I do have one limit.

The woman must have a pulse*.

 

* pulse optional

39 posted on 11/04/2011 5:37:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I guess some Occupiers are more 99% than other Occupiers.)
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To: Haiku Guy

Megan Mcaddled.... these folks are not frustrated with “the system”, they LOVE the system, its freedom, decency and capitalism they are protesting against. Inventing new forms of STD’s while they are at it.


40 posted on 11/04/2011 5:37:10 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Haiku Guy
One of McArdle's many errors is that she assumes that the violent protesters in Oakland are carbon-copies of the milquetoast just-wanna-get-high idiots protesting in Lower Manhattan. Oakland radicals have a long history of attempting to foment violent revolution. The Oakland protest was more confrontational and violent from the git-go.

Maybe if she wrote for The Pacific...

These bastards are anything but "pacific".

41 posted on 11/04/2011 5:37:24 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Haiku Guy

Nice post. And I loved your passion. About time we get angry and tell the b******* “we won’t take it any more”.


42 posted on 11/04/2011 5:40:01 AM PDT by dools0007world
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To: Haiku Guy

lex parsimoniae


43 posted on 11/04/2011 5:41:24 AM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Haiku Guy

Didn’t some OWS guys in Pheonix show up with AR-15’s??


44 posted on 11/04/2011 5:41:45 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: kcvl

EEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....


45 posted on 11/04/2011 5:41:55 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: expat1000
"But they don't disperse 'naturally'. And these won't, unless it is due to the weather. The 'protesters' will force a confrontation and the 'protest' will end in violence. That is what they want, some point will be proved in their own minds that way, and they will get it."

From what I read previously, the builder who confronted a group of anarchists breaking into his building would have been justified in shooting several of them. Instead, he showed a shotgun and they retreated. So the OWS mob will have to keep trying until their get their symbols.

46 posted on 11/04/2011 5:42:49 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Haiku Guy

Megan Mccardle-— stupid liberal-—ah but I repeat myself


47 posted on 11/04/2011 5:44:03 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: GeronL
Didn’t some OWS guys in Pheonix show up with AR-15’s??

...And handed out fliers explaining that they were there to defend the protesters against the police officers. Seems a little bit provacative to me.

The truth is, when you throw a protest, there is no such thing as quality control. Just like we have our idiot wing-nut LaRouchies with their Obama/Hitler pictures, the OWS protesters brought these rifle-toting nuts out of the woodwork.

But the MFM tries to tie our nuts to the Tea Party, and they just ignore all the OWS nutjobs, and refuse to report what is going on.

48 posted on 11/04/2011 5:50:27 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: Haiku Guy
She is a total nitwit. But I don't turn her off, because she's unintentionally amusing in her libtardism...
49 posted on 11/04/2011 5:51:10 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: Haiku Guy

If they’d tried to pull me out of my Navigator, my 2 ever-present passengers, Messrs Smith & Wesson, would have loudly (.357 magnum hollow points) protested.


50 posted on 11/04/2011 5:52:09 AM PDT by libstripper
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