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Most in U.S. would scrap Electoral College
UPI ^ | 10-24-11 | staff

Posted on 10/24/2011 9:42:48 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

PRINCETON, N.J., Oct. 24 (UPI) -- Most Americans say they would amend the Constitution to swap the Electoral College with a popular-vote system to elect the president, a poll indicates.

Sixty-two percent of Americans prefer replacing the Electoral College and 35 percent would keep the current method for electing presidents, results from a Gallup poll released Monday indicated.

For the first time since the disputed 2000 presidential election, the majority of Republicans said they favor amending the Constitution, the Princeton, N.J., polling agency said.

That year, Democrat Al Gore won the national popular vote but Republican George W. Bush wound up with more electoral votes and was elected.

Those who advocate abolishing the Electoral College said they thought the system puts undue emphasis on a small number of swing states, Gallup said. Americans generally agree that the United States should adopt a system in which the popular vote prevails.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 10/24/2011 9:42:51 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Apparently 62% of the US population are dumbasses!....red


2 posted on 10/24/2011 9:44:21 AM PDT by rednek ("Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

then most don’t understand what it’s there for.


3 posted on 10/24/2011 9:45:04 AM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I’m sorry to say that many Americans would scrap their Republic altogether in exchange for some magic beans.


4 posted on 10/24/2011 9:45:12 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Count me as one who is against mob rule. Democracy by itself sucks.


5 posted on 10/24/2011 9:46:03 AM PDT by pallis
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This poll was conducted nationwide by telephone to 1006 people who actually answered the phone.

What does the statement mean ...the majority of Republicans said they favor amending the Constitution, the Princeton, N.J., polling agency said...???

Were they really Republicans? Do they mean amending the Constitution in general, or specifically changing the rule about the Electoral College?


6 posted on 10/24/2011 9:46:18 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The Electoral College is the only thing that stands between a republic and dictatorial tyranny...........


7 posted on 10/24/2011 9:46:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: rednek

Geez. Eventually, enough people will be brainwashed to scrape it and the Constitution.


8 posted on 10/24/2011 9:46:55 AM PDT by healy61
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Man ... there sure is a lot of dumbasses in this country


9 posted on 10/24/2011 9:47:07 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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To: Red Badger

We actually need to go the other way - and repeal the 17th Amendment


10 posted on 10/24/2011 9:47:46 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Keep the Electorial college but seats should be decided by majority winner in each congressional district. If there is not a majority, then a run off is held between the top two candidates.

The remaining two seats per should be alloted to he majority winner of the state. If there is no majority winner, the two seats are split between the two top canidates.


11 posted on 10/24/2011 9:47:54 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Manufactured lies pushed as polling.

LLS


12 posted on 10/24/2011 9:48:16 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Most in U.S. would scrap Electoral College the Constitution....

fixed it to what it might as well read.

13 posted on 10/24/2011 9:48:30 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If you want the inhabitants of New York, LA, & Chicago to elect your leader, then have at it. I live in a small southern town. I have little, if anything, in common with these people.


14 posted on 10/24/2011 9:48:30 AM PDT by Coffee... Black... No Sugar (I'm gonna' BICKER!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

NPV is a high speed route to revolt.


15 posted on 10/24/2011 9:48:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

That’s about right.

62% of Americans favor a mobocracy over a representative republic.

What could go wrong?


16 posted on 10/24/2011 9:48:56 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Waiting for the day James Madison rises from the dead, and bitch-slaps everyone who favors repeal of the Electoral College.


17 posted on 10/24/2011 9:49:22 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Repealing the 17th amendment would help the republic a lot.


18 posted on 10/24/2011 9:49:28 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PGR88

Too many Americans think they live in or want to live in a democracy.

For nearly a hundred years the media and politicians have spoken of the US as a democracy,fought wars “to make the world safe for democracy”,”spread democracy” and other mistakes.

Democracy is nothing more than mob rule!!

I have heard many Americans say “majority rules” which is .of course democracy,not the republic which guarentees all basic rights regardless of the current popular opinion.


19 posted on 10/24/2011 9:49:54 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The Electoral College was adopted to prevent the larger states such as California, New York, etc. from dictating to the states with smaller voters, such as the midwest which is farm land. Hitlery was pushing this way back when Gore lost.


20 posted on 10/24/2011 9:49:55 AM PDT by kitkat (Obama, rope and chains)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
That is because they are ignorant of the purpose or intent of the Electoral College!!

The result would be candidates campaigning in only the half-dozen most populace states, as THEY would determine the election!

Anybody surprised that 40 years of dumbing down our civics and history curricula contributes to this result?

21 posted on 10/24/2011 9:50:42 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: atc23

No electoral college means no campaigning in about half the states.


22 posted on 10/24/2011 9:50:47 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
This comes up now and then... i recall Hillary! chiming idiocracisms on this score a few years ago. Every time it comes up, they issue the same ridiculousness, and conservatives have to respond to set it right again.


23 posted on 10/24/2011 9:51:07 AM PDT by C210N (zer0 - a Marxonist spreading the flames of obamunism wherever he goes.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

We

Are

Doomed

You want Democracy? Look at the Middle East, and Africa.


24 posted on 10/24/2011 9:51:19 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

My tagline explains why the Founding Fathers developed the Electoral College.


25 posted on 10/24/2011 9:51:19 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
There is a mechanism for making this change. It's called a Constitutional Amendment.

Liberals should get busy working on this right away. It will keep them busy for a half century.

People think they want it because they are stupid.

Eventually, they'll come to understand that it would mean the 10 or so largest cities in the US will pick the president.

Good luck getting ratification in two thirds of the states when that truth becomes known.

26 posted on 10/24/2011 9:51:40 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Coffee... Black... No Sugar

Same for small towns and rural areas everywhere in the country.

I live 70 miles from Detroit and about 30 miles from Ann Arbor. My little town has more in common with mars than it does either one of those hell holes.


27 posted on 10/24/2011 9:51:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

that’s because the vast majority of americans have no knowledge of the u.s. constitution.


28 posted on 10/24/2011 9:51:40 AM PDT by ken21
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To: rednek

If the voter rolls were purged, a voter id system put in place and everyone had to re-register, although I would still NOT go for it, however it would be more representative of how this country really votes.

I would do Congress by District and Sentorial and Presidential by county. This way, as an example, NYC would have the same electoral vote value as Watertown. Gets rid of cheating.

When the left complains, there can be no disenfranchisement because if NYC wants to stuff the ballot box, it only affects the one county, hence only one vote. It doesn’t impact the entire state.


29 posted on 10/24/2011 9:51:47 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (I am a Cainiac)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Polling is bought and paid for, not gauge public opinion, but to shape public opinion.

Anyone who has studied the left knows they have had the EC in their sights for a long time. The polls are bogus, but will provide cover as they ram this through.

After this, look for the two Senators per state to come under fire.


30 posted on 10/24/2011 9:51:54 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: afraidfortherepublic

combine this fact with the democrats wanting to allow illegals to vote and you can clearly see what the 2012 obama re-election plan is:

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in the entire United States. The National Popular Vote law has been enacted by states possessing 132 electoral votes — 49% of the 270 electoral votes needed to activate it.


31 posted on 10/24/2011 9:52:01 AM PDT by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

A simple rule for the good: If the UPI, NYT, LAT, etc are pressing for it...especially for a poll they’e conducted....it is NOT a good thing.

This article is a prime example of the failure of our joke of an education system (populated by teaching union members whose only distingishing characteristic is existing at the bottom of the SAT barrel).

There is a reason for the electoral college. Too bad the MSM never learned it.


32 posted on 10/24/2011 9:52:36 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: central_va
Repealing the 17th amendment would help the republic a lot. Yes, it would. However, what is supposed to help the demonstrated ignorance of the populace? The franchise having been so diluted, the survival of the Republic is in doubt.

Democracy = The Tyranny of the Ignorant.

33 posted on 10/24/2011 9:53:08 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Only homophobes and racists would object to a gay Kenyan Communist as President.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Well, then “most” would be very unhappy when less than 10 states dictate national policy to all.


34 posted on 10/24/2011 9:53:49 AM PDT by edpc (Former Normalcy Bias Victim)
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To: hoosierham
Democracy is nothing more than mob rule!!

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on "what's for lunch."

35 posted on 10/24/2011 9:54:12 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it!”


36 posted on 10/24/2011 9:54:31 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: C210N

Interesting that it comes up now that the “99%” are out in the street claiming to be a vast majority.


37 posted on 10/24/2011 9:55:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

More fools who believe a lie.


38 posted on 10/24/2011 9:55:09 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: rednek

...Agreed. A majority rule vote is a mob rule vote. That’s the reason for a Republic and not a democracy...


39 posted on 10/24/2011 9:55:39 AM PDT by gargoyle (...it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Most in U.S. would scrap Electoral College

Most in U.S. are complete idiots. Did they not learn anything from Florida 2000? Without the electoral college, we would have recounts in every Dem city in the US every single election. No Republican would ever win the Presidency again. Every four years, the recounts in Chicago and Philadelphia would each generate an additional 10 million votes for the Democrat candidate, just to be sure.

40 posted on 10/24/2011 9:55:56 AM PDT by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Redleg Duke
“A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it!”

Hence my screen name (just in case you didn't "get it". ;^)

41 posted on 10/24/2011 9:58:43 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: rednek

Yep meatheads in the east were foreseen as dangerous to the union ...that is why the founding fathers built it so....places like Montana, North Dakota, Colorado, Nevada and Texas could keep the swells in line even with thin populations. Who would have thought that all of New England would fall to the pinko Senators.


42 posted on 10/24/2011 9:58:48 AM PDT by colonialhk (Put them in green jails doing green jobs)
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To: rednek

it would be a terrible mistake.


43 posted on 10/24/2011 9:59:02 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The only opinions that should count are from people not employed by the government and those not on welfare, food stamps, government programs for free housing, free telephones, free meals, free medical care to illegals, able bodied moochers, brood sows, etc.

"You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat"

-- Claire Wolfe


44 posted on 10/24/2011 9:59:28 AM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Notably, this was written by “Staff”. Either this means that they are unable to interpret the actual poll information and had to make it up or they knew the methods were so bad that they couldn’t find anyone who wanted their name attached to the article.


45 posted on 10/24/2011 10:00:08 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: edzo4
Any state that allows the rest of the nation to choose its electors will forfeit it's representation in Congress (and thus forfeit all but two of its electors), per the Constitution.

Amdendment XIV, Sec 2

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

46 posted on 10/24/2011 10:00:38 AM PDT by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: taxcontrol
Keep the Electorial college but seats should be decided by majority winner in each congressional district. If there is not a majority, then a run off is held between the top two candidates.

The remaining two seats per should be alloted to he majority winner of the state. If there is no majority winner, the two seats are split between the two top canidates.

This is what Maine (since 1972) and Nebraska (since 1996) does:

http://archive.fairvote.org/e_college/me_ne.htm

However, neither state has ever split their electoral votes as a result.

Colorado had a proposition to split electoral votes proportionally, based on the popular vote:

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#colorado

However, the proposition failed.

I would like to see an analysis of the recent elections to determine the outcome if every state were to adopt the Maine/Nebraska method.

47 posted on 10/24/2011 10:00:45 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This is scary!...except to liberal Dems.


48 posted on 10/24/2011 10:01:09 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If the UPI is shilling for it, it must be bad


49 posted on 10/24/2011 10:01:09 AM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Most in the U.S. don’t have a clue as to the purpose of the Electoral College. They probably think its a private school.


50 posted on 10/24/2011 10:01:11 AM PDT by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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