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WTFrack? Greens Flummoxed By Cheap, Clean U.S. Gas
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 10/20/2011 | Sean Higgins

Posted on 10/20/2011 12:29:49 PM PDT by Slyscribe

Green groups have a major new concern: fracking, the process of extracting natural gas from shale deposits far underground. What they don't have is much hard evidence that fracking is a danger.

Fracking already is producing a bonanza in the U.S. Theoretically it could provide enough to replace all coal-powered electricity with cleaner-burning natural gas.

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KEYWORDS: energy; environment; fracking; green
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1 posted on 10/20/2011 12:29:55 PM PDT by Slyscribe
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They will get ahold of their Dem co-conspirators in DC and demand a never ending moratorium so that it can be more carefully studied ad infinitum......


2 posted on 10/20/2011 12:34:08 PM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: Slyscribe
Plenty of it here. Personally I doubt it will ever be economical as fuel for cars aside from inner city fleets but for heat and electricity production its fine.

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3 posted on 10/20/2011 12:34:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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4 posted on 10/20/2011 12:35:10 PM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: Red Badger
They will get ahold of their Dem co-conspirators in DC and demand a never ending moratorium

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5 posted on 10/20/2011 12:37:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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Fracking already is producing a bonanza in the U.S. ...

I signed a gas lease 3 years ago that was supposed to make my truck payment each month. All I've got so far was the down payment and then the Left moved in and filed a bunch of lawsuits. Now my truck is almost paid off and I still haven't got a dime from it. Sure will be nice when the Occupier in Chief is gone and they can start pumping the gas out, I am ready to trade my truck in.

6 posted on 10/20/2011 12:47:12 PM PDT by txroadkill (Antlers up! The Claw must be feared! Back2Back American League Champions!)
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To: Slyscribe

I wouldn’t say its quite that safe...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEtgvwllNpg


7 posted on 10/20/2011 12:50:50 PM PDT by JosephMama (First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Cain 2012)
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To: Slyscribe

Replace coal? Hell, no. Add ANOTHER source of energy, and get us off the hook with the Arabs.


8 posted on 10/20/2011 12:53:48 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: JosephMama

Why burn gas for electrical generation? They should be using stuff like nuclear. Natural gas for cars on the other hand...


9 posted on 10/20/2011 12:55:03 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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[ Why burn gas for electrical generation? They should be using stuff like nuclear. Natural gas for cars on the other hand... ]

Indeed and new Nuclear tech like LFTR reactors have the potential to be far mofe safe than conventional reactors.


10 posted on 10/20/2011 12:59:26 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: cripplecreek
Personally I doubt it will ever be economical as fuel for cars aside from inner city fleets but for heat and electricity production its fine.

I live in the heart of the Marcellus Shale play in Pennsylvania. I just was invited and attended a business rountable with T Boone Pickens, Pennsy Gov Tom Corbett, and several gas industry executives.

Here is the plan:

The Marcellus will provide natural gas, via pipeline, from North Carolina into Canada. This will be used mostly for homes and industrial purposes.

Several cities, like Williamsport, and gas companies will build NG fueling stations. The cities will power buses, snow plows, trucks, etc. The companies will start switching their drilling fleet to NG.

Both the city and the drillers will make their pumps available to the public.....perhaps even for free.

Local businesses will start to switch their trucks over, creating more demand.

That is when operators of big fueling stations, like Sheetz, Wal-Mart, Pilot Truck Stops, T/A Truck Stops, etc will all start installing NG pumps.

It will spread from there throughout the region.....slowly, but without taxpayer money (except for what the cities install who will probably get the NG for free for several years).

The free market takes care of this nicely.

11 posted on 10/20/2011 12:59:54 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: Slyscribe

Not to worry. The EPA to the rescue!

They just announced today they are going to regulate the water used in the fracking process, yanking this authority away from the states.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11293/1183594-100.stm


12 posted on 10/20/2011 1:00:12 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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What they don't have is much hard evidence that fracking is a danger.

Like the lack of "hard evidence" has ever stopped them before.

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13 posted on 10/20/2011 1:02:58 PM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: Erik Latranyi

If the people want it for their private vehicles I have no problem with it as long as it doesn’t cost me. I’ve got a conversion on my generator.


14 posted on 10/20/2011 1:05:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: JosephMama
Dude; that's METHANE making the water “flammable”. This has happened since there have been water wells in certain geographical areas. It's also why it is stinky gas. Untreated “Natural Gas” is odorless. The gas industry has been fracking for 60 years, and the number of times there have been any problems are close to zero. The methane in the water table depth (usually around 50 to 100 feet deep) could come & go depending on many factors. Fracking rocks at 2,000 to 5,000 feet just ain't one of them. The most likely culprits are coal mining or a tremor.
15 posted on 10/20/2011 1:16:43 PM PDT by jdsteel (Cain vs. Not Able.......now that Sarah's out.)
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They just announced today they are going to regulate the water used in the fracking process, yanking this authority away from the states. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11293/1183594-100.stm

There will be a HUGE fight over this.

16 posted on 10/20/2011 1:19:15 PM PDT by jdsteel (Cain vs. Not Able.......now that Sarah's out.)
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17 posted on 10/20/2011 1:34:47 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: JosephMama
I wouldn’t say its quite that safe...
Interesting to me that the man claims to smell the natural gas, and that's when he started burning his tap water.

One problem is that in a previous life I worked in a gas plant, and was shown the facility for adding an order to the gas so that people would be able to smell it. I was told that you don't smell natural gas, you smell the chemical that the gas company adds to the gas so that it can be smelled.

Wikipedia confirms:

In order to assist in detecting leaks, a minute amount of odorant is added to the otherwise colorless and almost odorless gas used by consumers. The odor has been compared to the smell of rotten eggs, due to the added butyl mercaptan. Sometimes a related compound, thiophane may be used in the mixture.

In mines, where methane seeping from rock formations has no odor, sensors are used, and mining apparatus such as the Davy lamp has been specifically developed to avoid ignition sources.

So how did that natural gas he's getting in his water get the chemical in it to make it smell???


18 posted on 10/20/2011 1:37:08 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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The Wall Street Journal however reports good news today in its story, “Edible Ingredients Used to Drill for Gas.” Apparently Halliburton and Baker Hughes have developed fracking chemicals using fatty acids and other ingredients found in toothpaste, ketchup, ice cream and beer. The enemies of cheap natural gas of course won’t congratulate Halliburton for being a good steward of the planet and switch their position. I wonder where the next attack will come from. Fatty acids in the edible fracking chemicals lead to an obesity epidemic in the caribou population?
“We’re talking about a technology that’s been deployed more than 1.2 million times in more than 25 states over the course of more than 60 years. I think it says an awful lot about fracturing’s record of safety that the best these guys could come up with after studying the issue for an entire year is a single, disputed case from 30 years ago that state regulators at the time believe had nothing to do with fracturing. Three decades later, the technology today is better than it’s ever been, the regulations are broader and more stringent, and the imperative of getting this right, so that we can take full advantage of the historic opportunities made possible by shale, has never been more apparent. Despite the Times’ best efforts, this story does not prove that hydraulic fracturing had anything to do with the contamination of a water well 30 years ago.”(2)
Let’s see, a single “documented” case out of 1.2 million fracked wells? I’ll take those odds any time.


19 posted on 10/20/2011 1:38:05 PM PDT by Recon Dad ("The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win and cheat if necessary.")
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You’re using logic.
Sadly that is quite ineffective in arguments like this.


20 posted on 10/20/2011 1:43:49 PM PDT by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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