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The Steve Jobs Anti-Eulogy (NOT a hit piece)
Bnet ^ | 10-18-11 | Penelope Trunk

Posted on 10/19/2011 7:45:21 AM PDT by bigbob

The blogosphere has been rife with remembrances of Steve Jobs over the last couple of weeks. I don’t have anything bad to say about him, but now that some time has passed, I’m just going to say it: I think the hoopla over him is over the top.

A few things to consider:

1. People write about Steve to write about themselves.

2. Individuals do not make history. Populations do.

3. You can tell a lot about a society by the people they honor.

4. Steve Jobs sheds more light on the nature vs. nurture debate than he does on the history debate.

5. Espousing the glories of genius gets us nowhere.

(Excerpt) Read more at bnet.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antieulogy; naturenurture; stevejobs
Her article is not a hit piece against Jobs but makes some valid observations about what has been said about him.

Especially point #4: "Something absolutely fascinating to me about Steve is that Mona Simpson is his biological sister. If you don’t know who Mona Simpson is, take a look at the book “Anywhere But Here.” She is Steve Jobs’ sister and the book is just one of her wildly acclaimed novels. They have the same parents, but Steve was given up as an infant for adoption. And Mona was raised by her mom."

Follow the link for more on this aspect of his life which was news to me. Nature vs. Nurture.

1 posted on 10/19/2011 7:45:28 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

I’ll save the hit attacks for when Gates passes from this world into internal fire, damnation, blue screens of death, and incessent worms,viruses, and malbots.

Jobs = intellect.
Gates = sleezebag.


2 posted on 10/19/2011 7:52:26 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: bigbob

I was a serious PC hobbyist. I work in IT.

I never expected Apple to come back. I hated their locked down systems, and their high prices.

Apple almost went away without Jobs. Jobs also did quite well with Pixar. Not so much with NeXT, but, to quote the Meatloaf song, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad! (Did I really just quote Meatloaf? Ugh.)

Jobs was a genius. Jobs had an impact on the world, and I don’t mind people going over the top in their rememberances. The man passed, they’re sad, and it makes them and his fans feel better.

I wasn’t a fan, but I tip my cap to his genius, and achievements.


3 posted on 10/19/2011 7:53:12 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: brownsfan

NeXT is the basis of the OSX operating system and iOS to a futher extent. I would say he did QUITE well with NeXT.


4 posted on 10/19/2011 7:55:50 AM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: bigbob

>2. Individuals do not make history. Populations do.

This moronically puerile line is plenty enough that I won’t waste my time reading the rest. Individuals DO make history. Individuals do most everything of note. About the only noteworthy things crowds do is riot.


5 posted on 10/19/2011 7:57:24 AM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: Da Coyote

“Jobs = intellect.
Gates = sleezebag.”

Really?

If Gates is a sleazebag, he’s a very well rewarded sleazebag. Sometimes those who love technology lose sight of what technology businesses are... BUSINESSES.

If you bought Microsoft stock in 1992, you’d LOVE Bill Gates. Bill Gates isn’t worried about advancing technology, but he is a genius.


6 posted on 10/19/2011 7:57:29 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: bigbob
I am a big believer in the nature over nurture concept, but this article seems like a lot of resentment and sour grapes. The key point is `individuals don`t make history, populations do,` and this is utterly absurd. Liberlas love that concept, of course, but individuals MOVE populations to action, and are the flame that ignites the masses to action. That is what makes history. Without the individual spark, there is no history.

Nature creates the POSSIBILITY for genius or creativity.That alone shows that some people simply have `it` and others don`t, no matter how much they may desire that.

7 posted on 10/19/2011 7:57:49 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: smith288

“I would say he did QUITE well with NeXT.”

Not so much if you were a partner in NeXT.


8 posted on 10/19/2011 7:58:41 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: bigbob

This whole article makes me feel stupid for having read it. How did the author both manage to say “it’s more important to raise your kids than to be a top CEO” and also “Steve Jobs proves that nature is more important than nurture” in the same piece?

And the “great man theory of history” may be passe to historians but I’m pretty sure most of the rest of us still take it seriously.


9 posted on 10/19/2011 7:58:41 AM PDT by JenB
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To: bigbob

Great article. It reminds me of the grade school mentality that most people have regarding Henry Ford - that he invented the automobile. What he did was apply the concept of the assembly line, which already existed, to the manufacture of cars, which already existed. And he applied it to a design that was inexpensive enough to enable the sale of the high volumes the assembly line produced.

If he didn’t do it, someone else would have. It is amazing what competition motivates people to do.


10 posted on 10/19/2011 8:00:47 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: brownsfan

—Did I really just quote Meatloaf?—

“So now I’m prayin’ for the end of time, to hurry up and arrive. ‘Cause if I have to spend another minute with you, I don’t think I can survive”.

I hate to admit that that song STILL cracks me up.


11 posted on 10/19/2011 8:02:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: brownsfan

Individuals do matter greatly. Grant was the general Lincoln has been looking for forever. Without Churchill at the helm, Britain would have made peace with Hitler. Only Einstein could have persuaded FDR to build the bomb. Good knows we need heroes, and while every man is a product of his times, without heroes to lead us, we perish.


12 posted on 10/19/2011 8:02:56 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: brownsfan

“...If you bought Microsoft stock in 1992, you’d LOVE Bill Gates. Bill Gates isn’t worried about advancing technology, but he is a genius...”

Gasp, and had I purchased GM stock years ago, I’d also have been rich...until the biz idiots there made GM the mechanical equivalent of Microsoft.

Einstein said that the mark of stupidity was to do the same thing repeatedly and expect different results.

Tried Windows lately? Windows, yesterday’s technology today.

I’ll say no more on this, but rest assured that there is nothing in any Microsoft product that even approaches state of the art.

Period.


13 posted on 10/19/2011 8:05:04 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: brownsfan

” Bill Gates isn’t worried about advancing technology”

You obviously don’t know Bill.


14 posted on 10/19/2011 8:05:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: JenB
Steve Jobs had wonderful inventions in the Tech industry. He was an American businessman and like most people who work hard and gamble his time and capital, he knew that his work was for his family.

When he learned of his liver cancer.

He called the top Estate Attorneys to transfer his wealth to Trust to protect his wealth for his family.

God bless him for that because unlike Buffett and other liars.

15 posted on 10/19/2011 8:07:10 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: JenB

—How did the author both manage to say “it’s more important to raise your kids than to be a top CEO” and also “Steve Jobs proves that nature is more important than nurture” in the same piece?—

I understand it. The two comments are not related, though they appear to be at first glance.

It’s like saying rasing kids is more important than having a photographic memory, but Jobs, as did his sister, had a photographic memory. It was not nurture that gave it to him. It was nature.


16 posted on 10/19/2011 8:08:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: drbuzzard

YES...I noted that also....little commie indoctrination.


17 posted on 10/19/2011 8:09:01 AM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: cuban leaf

One does not have to ascribed to the Great Man theory of history to know that individuals do matter. Yogi Berra is said to have said, when you come to a fork in the road, take it. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, but do all roads end up in the same place? Would McClellan have been a better choice in 1864 than Lincoln? We will never know. But likely things would not have been the same.


18 posted on 10/19/2011 8:10:05 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: JenB

—How did the author both manage to say “it’s more important to raise your kids than to be a top CEO” and also “Steve Jobs proves that nature is more important than nurture” in the same piece?—

Oops. I forgot the most important part: Nurture is important because it can give a “Jobs” type person important values upon which the virtues given by nature can be applied.


19 posted on 10/19/2011 8:10:14 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: bigbob
2. Individuals do not make history. Populations do.

So the correct phase would not be Bush = Hitler, but Bush = German?

What a crock of BS. Most people are sheep and need individual leaders.

And before you reply to tell me I'm wrong, do you think that the USA's problems today are not caused by Obama, but the fault of all the population of the USA, including YOU!

20 posted on 10/19/2011 8:12:24 AM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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To: brownsfan

I’m kinda that way too. Had an interaction after one West Coast Computer Faire (if you remember those!) with Jobs where he was rude and arrogant, but when I found I could buy an Apple II with a PROM burner cheaper than a Data IO, I found myself admiring their open architecture concept. Something they later abandoned, but USB and new technologies provided the same function. Of course Wozniak was also a big factor in those early days.


21 posted on 10/19/2011 8:14:21 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: drbuzzard; bigbob
To think of history as a series of people who changed our course is to subscribe to the Great Man theory of history. The Great Man theory went out of fashion in the 1800s.

OH! It went out of FASHION in the 1800s. Out of fashion, therefore it isn't correct. Since it went out of fashion, what have we had?

Napoleon
Garibaldi
Nietzsche
Marx
Freud
Darwin
Edison
Dewey
Bismarck
Theodore Roosevelt
Margaret Sanger
Francisco Franco
Adolf Hitler
Josef Stalin
Winston Churchill
Mahatma Gandhi
The Rosenburgs
Mao Tse-Tung
Ho Chi Minh
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Ronald Reagan
Geroge Soros

If this handful of people never existed, the world would be substantially the same, since the "Great Man" theory went out of fashion.
22 posted on 10/19/2011 8:15:21 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (happ)
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To: RobbyS
Good knows we need heroes, and while every man is a product of his times, without heroes to lead us, we perish.

Of course, great men also include those who are evil and accelerate the destruction of cultures and civilizations. Nero, Margaaret Sanger and Stalin were all great by this definition, the only one which makes the "Great Man" theory useable.
23 posted on 10/19/2011 8:18:38 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (happ)
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To: Darkwolf377

“Nature creates the POSSIBILITY for genius or creativity.That alone shows that some people simply have `it` and others don`t, no matter how much they may desire that.”

I don’t understand why it has to be one over the other. It’s obvious to the casual observer, me, that it’s both.

If you have a kid with bad DNA, all the nurture in the world won’t fix that kid. Whether it be lack of intelligence, or just damaged reasoning, (a bad kid, yes, there is such a thing as a bad kid). Nurture can mitigate it, but not fix it.


24 posted on 10/19/2011 8:18:55 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: RobbyS

I agree that a single man can change history, but then we all do. And the greater the mob behind them, the greater the change. Hitler is a good example. And I do believe that had we not had Hitler, we may have had a war with the USSR around that time. That’s the problem with the “what if C=McClellan had been elected” question. Whatever happened, he would have been the “great man” that led whatever happened, e.g. allowed the seccession of the south.

And then during WWI we may have had an American front, where the north supported Germany and the South supported th brits/french. We don’t know. But without the conditions under which the “great man” got his support, he would not have been “great”. Europe was RIPE for a Hitler. The automotive industry was RIPE for a Ford. The computer tech industry was RIPE for a Jobs. Without that ripeness, we would not have heard of any of those men. Hitler’s art was atrocious.


25 posted on 10/19/2011 8:19:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: bigbob

Kevin M. Ritchie, the computer genius who co-wrote Unix and who wrote the C language also died.

He really was the inventive genius that marketing geniuses Steve Jobs and Bill Gates have pretended to be.


26 posted on 10/19/2011 8:19:46 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Lockbox

—And before you reply to tell me I’m wrong, do you think that the USA’s problems today are not caused by Obama, but the fault of all the population of the USA, including YOU!—

For the most part, yes. I believe, and have said for two decades now, that in a democracy you do not only get the government you want. You get the government you deserve. The electorate is the problem. How else would we get an Obama.

And have you ever voted your wallet? Then some of the responsibility lies squarely on your shoulders.


27 posted on 10/19/2011 8:21:18 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Da Coyote
Oh Really?

Image Source

28 posted on 10/19/2011 8:21:44 AM PDT by SkyDancer (The More You Agree With Me The More Intellegent You Appear.)
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To: bigbob
But the results of Steve and Mona show us that all this nurture stuff might be bunk.

Oh, good grief. Most mature people allow room for plenty of both, and in different degrees in different people. There are a dozen settings that Steve Jobs could have landed in that would have resulted him in being dead by 20, in jail or never developing his abilities to their potential.

"Sorry Steve, in this alternate universe you happened to come of age during the height of the Cultural Revolution under Chairman Mao. Your folks are making sure that you are going to grow rice, and that's all. There is no money to pay off the local poobah to get you in good with the party."
29 posted on 10/19/2011 8:25:41 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (happ)
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To: cuban leaf
How else would we get an Obama.

Voter fraud.

30 posted on 10/19/2011 8:28:17 AM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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To: CodeToad

“You obviously don’t know Bill.”

But I know Jack!

Gates #1 goal was to make money, as it should have been. I don’t have a problem with that. But, lots of wonks want Microsoft to be like Linux. Leading edge, quirky, but innovative, and fun.

You go by what they do, not what they say. Windows NT server? Really? Server support for crappy old 16bit apps until Windows 7 64 bit. Same base kernel since NT? I use Windows 7. I like it. But for fun I play with Ubuntu. Amazing what a bunch of motivated people can do on their own.

I’m not here to bash Gates, or Microsoft. They fill a need. But, they are not worried about cutting edge. They are followers. They see trends, and try to copy and make money, or just buy the company in question!


31 posted on 10/19/2011 8:30:35 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: Lockbox

—Voter fraud.—

I see that risk, but voter fraud only works if the race is relatively close. Obama should not have had the remotest chance of getting any but the most radical of voters to choose him. But a lot of people voted for him.


32 posted on 10/19/2011 8:40:10 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Da Coyote

Whatever your experience was/is with Bill Gates ... it effected you negatively.

Christians are asked by Jesus to pray for our enemies, and to be forgiving as we have been forgiven.

The spirit of God lives in believers..
A good way to stat the day is to remember this truth.


33 posted on 10/19/2011 8:58:30 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: cuban leaf
If I understand your point, Obama as the Democratic Presidential candidate was able to convince enough voters (the population) to elect him as the historic first black President of America.

Sound like an individual making history to me.

34 posted on 10/19/2011 10:10:16 AM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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To: brownsfan
Not so much if you were a partner in NeXT.

Who is talking about his partners?

35 posted on 10/19/2011 10:19:09 AM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: Lockbox

—Sound like an individual making history to me.—

And so did Jobs. But it misses the author’s point, with which I happen to agree.


36 posted on 10/19/2011 10:20:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: brownsfan

Bill is a technogeek.His whole schtick back in the 70’s was to get on the cover of Fortune Magazine and beat IBM at its own game. In many ways Bill gave us the tech industry as we know it.

Microsoft products have always been braod in that, un like Apple, they didn’t control the hardware so their products had to suffer on whatever hardware was out there. Apple could easily, and they did, sunset products on platforms. Microsoft had to make their products work on newer hardware with much of the hardware incompatible with other hardware. Not fun.

They are worried about cutting edge. The problem is that peope think something like an iPhone is cutting edge when it simply contains the hardware already avaialble and brain dead software that doesn’t do much.

Microsoft created many things, improved manyothers, and offers products most people don’t even know exists. Did you know they have over 500 products available in over 200 languages? Does Apple? Did you know Microsoft products work on millions of combinations of hardware? Apple definately doesn’t.


37 posted on 10/19/2011 10:21:51 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad
Did you know Microsoft products work on millions of combinations of hardware? Apple definately doesn’t.

Heard of Hackint0sh?

38 posted on 10/19/2011 11:03:59 AM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Well, maybe someone else might have done what Einstein did, but while the mathematical developments of the 19th Century, and the Michelson-Morly Experiment might have been necessary for his theory, they were not sufficient. I think that there needs to someone who can make that leap. Why Darwin and not Wallace? Because Wallace was a social nobody and Darwin was a “somebody.” My brother-in-law devised a star map for the astronauts, and Buzz Aldin, who gave some input, took the credit. A man must have the chance, must be in a position to act greatly before he can become great. Anatole France had a short story of what life would have been like in France if the Revolution had been avoided. Old Captain Bonaparte would shared his stories with the village children of life in a French Army where command was limited to the high nobility.


39 posted on 10/19/2011 2:20:08 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: bigbob

Respectfully, this article is little more than someone spewing why their “genius” hasn’t been recognized by the world like Jobs’ was...


40 posted on 10/19/2011 9:33:19 PM PDT by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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