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Herman Cain: pizza boss, radio host, ballistics expert, minister. President?
guardian.co.uk ^ | 8 October 2011 | Staff

Posted on 10/09/2011 5:21:04 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

He is the latest Tea Party favourite to burst through in the increasingly heated race for the Republican presidential nomination and see their poll numbers rocket them to frontrunner status.

However, unlike previous rightwing darlings such as Texas governor Rick Perry and Minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann, wealthy businessman Herman Cain, 65, can claim to be cut from a very different sort of cloth from the average Republican candidate.

First, he is not actually a politician. Cain, whose CV includes being a radio show host, a navy ballistics expert, a Baptist minister and a Federal Reserve official, has never held elected office in his life. His most famous job was as chief executive of the fast-food firm Godfather's Pizza.

Yet none of that seemed to matter to the cheering crowds at the Values Voter Summit in a Washington DC hotel late last week. There was much to celebrate. A Zogby opinion poll had just boosted Cain into first place in the race, with 38% of the vote, compared with 18% for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Perry trailed in third place with 12%. The study even showed Cain beating President Barack Obama in a match-up by 46% to 44%.

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To: StAnDeliver

So he was tied in the lead? BTW can you explain to mean what you mean by “statistical validity.” Since there is no agreed upon definition of that term, I’d like to know what you mean when you say that.


51 posted on 10/09/2011 6:38:14 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: jla; Jim Robinson

Our Founder Jim Robinson has no problem with Herman Cain, so your facetious question about Mitt-Witt is irrelevant.


52 posted on 10/09/2011 6:41:28 AM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: McGavin999

I don’t agree, I was snookered by Obama. Was at the Y, running on a treadmill listening to obama say how we needed to change government and I was impressed!! Went home and looked up his website, took just a few seconds to see just how he wanted to change government.

Herman Cain is a strong leader, not a follower like Obama.


53 posted on 10/09/2011 6:42:34 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: mkjessup; VanDeKoik
One small item you fail to note: Washington led the colonials to victory over the British which enabled this nation to emerge. Jefferson, Madison, et al, were unanimous in the belief that Washington had to be our first POTUS if this new nation were to survive.
Though I realize that feat pales in comparison to what Cain has achieved.
54 posted on 10/09/2011 6:42:47 AM PDT by jla (Who says Perry's a conservative? - Rush, Inhofe, Levin & Sowell do.)
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To: ozarkgirl
"your reference to Reagan. First you have to get people's attention, then you have to have the substance behind it to accomplish your goals. Herman Cain has both, he's proven it his entire life, VP of Pillsbury at 34?

Reagan's trickle down philosophy wasn't immediately effective, apparently he was encouraged several times to give it up but he stuck by it - he was tenacious and that's an excellent quality for a President."

All valid, and all lacking those powerful, instructive two terms Reagan served as Governor of California.

55 posted on 10/09/2011 6:42:47 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: jla

Cain’s not “my man.” Some of us are involved in what’s called a “Primary” where candidates are sorted out. We don’t all jump on a bandwagon candidacy and ride it off a cliff. And I’ve watched every debate, some more than once. I don’t care how you try and twist Rico Perry’s words, he said what he said (I don’t have an excuse for my liberal position, so I’m going to blanket ad hominem anyone who disapproves of it).

“By the way, do you Cain supporters share your man’s zeal and admiration for Mitt Romney?”

Typical liberal non-argument (besides the fallacy of a false dilemma/dichotomy), “If I can’t give a viable argument, I’ll just change the subject to make you talk about that, instead.”

BTW the only person who may not be a “genuine American” is Obama, since he’s probably not an NBC. I realize that fluff may be all you have, unless you’ve single handedly redefined the word “genuine.”


56 posted on 10/09/2011 6:43:22 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I will be voting for Herman Cain in the primary. I will be sending money. I will volunteer for the campaign.


57 posted on 10/09/2011 6:44:32 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: TomGuy

Herman Cain is a strong leader, not a follower like Obama.

And he didn’t “deliver pizzas”, you have the net, do a little homework and you’ll see he was VP of Pillsbury at 34. He is an effective person, a strong leader. That’s what we need, shoot, Reagan took heat for being an actor, how would you feel if any actors in Hollywood were running for Pres? lol


58 posted on 10/09/2011 6:46:27 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl

“Folks need to do their homework before knocking him.”

Well how in the world does that help Rick Perry?/s


59 posted on 10/09/2011 6:47:24 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: jla
One small item you fail to note: Washington led the colonials to victory over the British which enabled this nation to emerge. Jefferson, Madison, et al, were unanimous in the belief that Washington had to be our first POTUS if this new nation were to survive.

You miss the point (as usual). The point IS that Herman Cain is a CITIZEN, not a career politician, and like George Washington, he had no prior political experience and like Washington, Cain is a self-made man with a proven record of NON-political success.

Though I realize that feat pales in comparison to what Cain has achieved.

Cain has achieved far more than you give him credit for.
60 posted on 10/09/2011 6:48:00 AM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: mkjessup
Are you denying that Cain has not been behaving 'peculiar' inre to Romney?
Oh, could you tell me, why do supposed adults feel the need to invoke the site's founder when rebutting a post? Is it your childish way to intimidate someone you don't agree with?
61 posted on 10/09/2011 6:48:05 AM PDT by jla (Who says Perry's a conservative? - Rush, Inhofe, Levin & Sowell do.)
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To: StAnDeliver

I didn’t cite any poll, the article did. Are we not to discuss the article? Maybe you can check the sidebar for other polls you find suitable, like the One where Cain received nearly 5x more than Romney, and nearly 10x more than Perry. Unless you just don’t like their results, then you can fret all you please.


62 posted on 10/09/2011 6:48:22 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Atlantan
Anymore ,NOT have experience in politics is a big plus.
63 posted on 10/09/2011 6:49:03 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: TomGuy

Will you vote for him over Obama?


64 posted on 10/09/2011 6:49:11 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: jla
By the way, do you Cain supporters share your man's zeal and admiration for Mitt Romney?

Zeal?? This is FR, cite please.

He just said he wouldn't be VP to Perry, does that, in your mind, indicate zeal??

65 posted on 10/09/2011 6:49:34 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: TomGuy
Herman Cain has addressed this. We have to stay involved to make sure that 999 is a transition to the repeal of the 16th Amendment and introduction of the Fair Tax. We have a lot of altering and abolishing to do, and we need to get started. If the GOP race is decided early for Herman Cain, then I don't see any reason why 999 can't be introduced into Congress right now.

Another minor point. Interesting that you stopped with the 1920 rates. Those were one of the causes of the Depression of 1920-21. In 1922 they dropped the top rate to 58%, in 1924 to 46%, and in 1924 to 25%. That brought in the Roaring 20's and everyone forgot the Depression of 1920.
66 posted on 10/09/2011 6:50:21 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: jla; mkjessup

“Is it your childish way to intimidate someone you don’t agree with?”

Funny, that’s exactly why people claim that anyone that exposes Perry has something to do with Mitt Romney. The fact is that most people dislike both of them.


67 posted on 10/09/2011 6:50:53 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

It will be interesting to see Mr Cain debate Jr.
Mr Cain should constantly say he would be glad to compare his records of accomplishment with Obama’s prior to Ibama becoming President but he can’t find any.
Maybe Mr Cain could read allowed a poem Obama wrote while in college:

UNDERGROUND by BO

Under water grottos, caverns
Filled with apes
That eat figs.
Stepping on the figs
That the apes
Eat, they crunch.
The apes howl, bare
Their fangs, dance,
Tumble in the
Rushing water,
Musty, wet pelts
Glistening in the blue.


68 posted on 10/09/2011 6:50:58 AM PDT by Leep
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To: ozarkgirl

Perry’s groupies see anything that doesn’t glorify Perry as “pro-Mitt.”


69 posted on 10/09/2011 6:52:17 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: ozarkgirl

Perry’s groupies see anything that doesn’t glorify Perry as “pro-Mitt.”


70 posted on 10/09/2011 6:52:17 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: McGavin999

Cain wouldnt hire Cain. He didn’t bring Godfathers Pizza back by hiring unproven executives. The people he hired had time tested resumes.

If you dont have a resume of successful experience in the job you are seeking, you don’t get hired.


71 posted on 10/09/2011 6:53:04 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: ozarkgirl
He's an unknown. You ONLY know what he says you have no record of what he has DONE. Just like Obama.

When confronted with a decision you get to see what a man is made of. When confronted with the decision of what to say about the rock on Perry's dad's hunting lease, you got to see what the man was made of. He quickly retreated and then denied he ever said anything.

72 posted on 10/09/2011 6:54:50 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Please don't be a Freeploader, help to keep the lights on.)
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To: Leep

That’s disgusting.


73 posted on 10/09/2011 6:55:07 AM PDT by HotKat
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To: TomGuy

“Someone whose expertise is delivering pizzas probably would find the position overwhelming in short order. “

Honestly. How insulting and ignorant! Maybe you just forgot to mention his “rocket science” expertise, or his business executive experience, or any of the whole lot of other experience to bring to the table? And being the head of pizza business is hardly expertise in “delivering pizzas”.

If you don’t like him, fine. But at least be honest in your criticisms!


74 posted on 10/09/2011 6:55:59 AM PDT by battletank
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To: ozarkgirl
That’s what we need, shoot, Reagan took heat for being an actor,

IIRC, Reagan was elected governor -- twice -- of California -- a rather large state, something like 8th world economy.


75 posted on 10/09/2011 6:58:31 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: jla; Jim Robinson
Are you denying that Cain has not been behaving 'peculiar' in re to Romney?

That isn't the issue. But if you want to talk about who behaves (or behaved) towards who, let's talk about Rick Perry endorsing and supporting Al Gore back in the day, you know, 'back in the day when Rick was a Democrat', would you like that?

Oh, could you tell me, why do supposed adults feel the need to invoke the site's founder when rebutting a post? Is it your childish way to intimidate someone you don't agree with?

You brought up the issue of Cain & Romney, I pointed out to you that JimRob has no problem with Cain, and it would be a safe bet that Cain's past statements regarding Romney are of no concern to our Founder, after all: Sarah Palin's past statements and overwhelming support for that scumbag John McCain were given a pass, now weren't they?

Get back to me on that.

(and it is considered good manners to ping who you make reference to in a post, which is why I'm pinging JimRob AGAIN. You DO believe in good manners don't you?)
76 posted on 10/09/2011 6:58:41 AM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: tirednvirginia
If you dont have a resume of successful experience in the job you are seeking, you don’t get hired.

America did that very thing in 2008 and look what we got! They won't do that again.

Herman Cain is a great speaker, but he won't get elected and he knows it. He's not even campaigning in Iowa, NH and SC. He's on a book tour. He plans on a career as a motivational speaker pulling down $250,000 a pop or as a FOX personality with a show following Huckabee each week. His intent is NOT to be the nominee but to run as VP.

77 posted on 10/09/2011 6:59:39 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Please don't be a Freeploader, help to keep the lights on.)
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To: Nucluside
I’ll take five out of five to be saved from having to vote for a two faced “moderate” again.

I think you'll be disappointed. I just don't think Cain and his wild ideas will win the nomination, much less the White House. And let me hasten to add that I view the possibility of a Romney win of the nomination with dismay as well. The only positive thing one can say about Mitt Romney is that he is better than the alternative. Marginally.

78 posted on 10/09/2011 6:59:59 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: tirednvirginia
Cain wouldnt hire Cain. He didn’t bring Godfathers Pizza back by hiring unproven executives. The people he hired had time tested resumes.

In that case, you have demonstrated that you need to review Cain's resume' because you apparently don't know very much about him.
79 posted on 10/09/2011 6:59:59 AM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: TomGuy

I just don’t have enough confidence that Cain can do the job to jump on his band wagon. He is too much of an unknown quantity, politically.

You’re right of course ... a man of true character just can’t stand up against Obama ... we’d be better off keeping the devil we know vs. the one we don’t! /sarc


80 posted on 10/09/2011 7:01:09 AM PDT by KalaSamy
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To: McGavin999
He's an unknown.

What??? His life is an open book, he's a proven leader from a very young age. He isn't part of the established governmental entity which has thrown us into this horrid mess we're in. And thank God for that!

If you want to know anything about him or his life and successes, all you have to do is look things up on the net. You will find out everything you want to know, however, I feel you probably don't want to know. :)

From what I've seen, anyone who says he's unknown, doesn't want to know how successful he's been from such a humble beginning.

81 posted on 10/09/2011 7:04:00 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: battletank

If Cain was successful in his business then that means he hired people in key positions that had a record of experience not just some people with no qualifications for the job they were applying for.

If you don’t have experience in the job you are applying for, you don’t get hired, period.

Cain is asking you to hire him with no job experience to prove that he has actually been successful as a proven leader.

Cain wouldn’t hire Cain.


82 posted on 10/09/2011 7:06:24 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: ozarkgirl
No, he is an unknown. He has NEVER had to make a political decision. He's made business decisions which are not the same thing at all. He's run for office before and not been elected so you have NO idea what he would do in a political situation. Untested, just like Obama who only voted "present" so he wouldn't have a track record.

You have already seen him backtrack on things he has said, and he's been under very little pressure.

83 posted on 10/09/2011 7:07:08 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Please don't be a Freeploader, help to keep the lights on.)
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To: TomGuy

What events occurred to cause the drastic increase in the top tier tax rates shown on your chart from 1916 to 1918?


84 posted on 10/09/2011 7:08:32 AM PDT by 4Runner
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To: ozarkgirl
He's an unknown.

This is just another way of saying, "I don't know anything about him and since I'm the sine qua non of all intelligence political Cain must have no merit whatsoever."
85 posted on 10/09/2011 7:08:50 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Grunthor; TomGuy
“Will you vote for him over Obama?”

Obumbles wont be running in the Republican primaries, and I doubt anybody will be voting for Cain other that some in the first primary or two.

Like Santorum, Backmann, Cain is unlikely to have the money to go far.

I have a question for everyone....Has Cain even filed paperwork to get on the ballot in the early state primaries? Iowa, NH, SC, NV, Mi, etc ?

Last I heard he doesn't even have a campaign team in most states.

86 posted on 10/09/2011 7:09:01 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

“Last I heard he doesn’t even have a campaign team in most states.”

Last you heard form whom? Or did you mean “my best guess?” Or did you just pull that out of your nethers?


87 posted on 10/09/2011 7:10:33 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: mkjessup

You mean he is going to hire a bunch of unproven people with no experience in the job he’s giving them should he get to be president?

If you don’t have experience in the job you are applying for you dont’ get the job, period.

You might get to be pizza delivery boy, but thats it.


88 posted on 10/09/2011 7:11:43 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: McGavin999

I agree. He has no experience for the job of President. He only has experience as a businessman,

A shrewd businessman would never hire anyone with no experience for key positions.

Cain wouldn’t hire Cain.


89 posted on 10/09/2011 7:15:45 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: McGavin999
Have you noticed that most of Cain's new supporters were Palin supporters? And they spout all the same rhetoric against the other candidates and forum members they saw as a threat to their candidate ? In addition to that, they greatly exxagerate Cain's ability and qualifications and insult or harass anyone who does not support Cain, exactly the same way they did when they supported Palin.

It's even somewhat more comical the way they make the claim that Cain is running his campaign in a dynamic fashion and anyone of higher intellect would certainly choose Cain like they have. When 6 months ago, when Cain first joined the race and Palin was seemingly “unstoppable” “Inelectale” “President Palin”, etc,,, the same people told us all the reasons that Cain could not win. He was unqualified, inexperienced, just a Pizza Man, etc,,,.

It's ironic how even they don't see that we know them better than they realize and they continue on like they were Cain supporters from the very beginning. Only the nasty attacks and rhetoric has not decreased in any fashion. If anything, they are getting worse. (If you don't believe me, just go to any Pro Perry thread)

90 posted on 10/09/2011 7:21:39 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Cain needs to explain the empowerment zones and why some will get preferential treatment over others in his 999 plans.
Also, this may explain why on the back of his book, This is Herman Cain, he writes, "What is it that motivates me to insist on defining my identity in terms of "ABC" - as being American first, black second, and Conservative third?".
91 posted on 10/09/2011 7:25:31 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: tirednvirginia

The office of POTUS is like no other. That is why there have only been 44.

The American people are charged with interviewing the primary candidates and electing the person who best meets their requirements.

A President is not hired - there is no ‘career’ path or educational degree required. It is not a profession!!!


92 posted on 10/09/2011 7:26:03 AM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you.)
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To: tirednvirginia

That’s your opinion, and I respect it. I just don’t agree.

My quarrel is with people coming on here ignorantly minimizing his huge achievements in his life by saying his expertise is in delivering pizzas.


93 posted on 10/09/2011 7:28:17 AM PDT by battletank
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss.”


94 posted on 10/09/2011 7:28:38 AM PDT by magritte
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To: Grunthor
I watch the news and read all the articles on everything political. It is mentioned daily that he doesn't really have a campaign or do much beyond selling his book.

There is a reason that most political reporters discount him in the nomination race, he doesn't have a campaign set up.

Even his bus says...National book tour, in huge letters.

95 posted on 10/09/2011 7:28:56 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

Yes, campaigning for the POTUS is a great way to sell books.


96 posted on 10/09/2011 7:31:08 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Oh I DO know, and I have noticed the very same thing. But then we’ve been through this in 2000, 2004, and 2008 we’ve learned to recognize it.


97 posted on 10/09/2011 7:31:51 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Please don't be a Freeploader, help to keep the lights on.)
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To: TomGuy

“It takes political ‘savvy’ to get anything done in Washington.”

Political ‘savvy’ got us where we are. If you are looking for professional spenders of other people’s money, Cain is not your man.

Career politicians are the problem, not the solution.


98 posted on 10/09/2011 7:32:22 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: tirednvirginia
You might get to be pizza delivery boy, but thats it.

LOL! You might try educating yourself a bit. That's too funny!

99 posted on 10/09/2011 7:33:11 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: lahargis

“Yes, campaigning for the POTUS is a great way to sell books.”

Except the “campaigning for the POTUS” is missing in his national book tour.


100 posted on 10/09/2011 7:35:57 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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