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Herman Cain: pizza boss, radio host, ballistics expert, minister. President?
guardian.co.uk ^ | 8 October 2011 | Staff

Posted on 10/09/2011 5:21:04 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

He is the latest Tea Party favourite to burst through in the increasingly heated race for the Republican presidential nomination and see their poll numbers rocket them to frontrunner status.

However, unlike previous rightwing darlings such as Texas governor Rick Perry and Minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann, wealthy businessman Herman Cain, 65, can claim to be cut from a very different sort of cloth from the average Republican candidate.

First, he is not actually a politician. Cain, whose CV includes being a radio show host, a navy ballistics expert, a Baptist minister and a Federal Reserve official, has never held elected office in his life. His most famous job was as chief executive of the fast-food firm Godfather's Pizza.

Yet none of that seemed to matter to the cheering crowds at the Values Voter Summit in a Washington DC hotel late last week. There was much to celebrate. A Zogby opinion poll had just boosted Cain into first place in the race, with 38% of the vote, compared with 18% for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Perry trailed in third place with 12%. The study even showed Cain beating President Barack Obama in a match-up by 46% to 44%.

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To: BarnacleCenturion
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TP: Mr. Cain, you recently came under fire for your comments about the kind of people you would appoint to your cabinet. Would you be opposed to appointing an openly gay but qualified person to be in your cabinet?

CAIN: Nope, not at all. I wouldn’t have  a problem with that at all. I just want people who are qualified, I want them to believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. So yep, I don’t have  a problem with appointing an openly gay person. Because they’re not going to try to put sharia law in our laws.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=gsihc&cp=20&gs_id=25&xhr=t&q=Open+homosexual+Cain

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HERMAN: What happens now?
Scott Toomey: Well, now, uh, Ken Mehlman, R. Clarke Cooper, Meghan McCain, Mary Cheney and I wait until nightfall, and then leap out of the Fithcally Conthervative log cabin, taking The Party(tm) by surprise -- not only by surprise, but totally unarmed!
HERMAN: Who leaps out?
Scott Toomey: Uh, Ken Mehlman,  R. Clarke Cooper, Meghan McCain, Mary Cheney and I. Uh, leap out of the log cabin, uh and uh....
HERMAN: Oh....
Scott Toomey: Oh.... Um, l-look, if we built this large wooden Rhinocerous -- [twong]
ALL:  Run away!  Run away!  Run away!  Run away!
      [splat]

101 posted on 10/09/2011 7:37:40 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: tirednvirginia
Cain wouldn’t hire Cain.

You keep repeating this. Is that today's talking point from the RNC?

lol, scared??

102 posted on 10/09/2011 7:38:04 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Grunthor
Beagle is correct. Here is an article that points this fact out about your new found, suddenly perfect candidate.

(From ABC NEWS;)

Despite Cain’s jolt in the polls, he’s not spending his days in Iowa and New Hampshire, instead dropping by Manhattan and doing the talk -show circuit promoting his new book. Cain told ABC News he’s not shunning the early states and his strategy will ensure he is in the top three in Iowa and New Hampshire while winning South Carolina and Florida.

Craig Robinson, the former political director of the Iowa GOP who founded the Iowa Republican website, said he thinks Cain is “making a mistake by not campaigning in the early states.”

“I think it is a huge missed opportunity for him,” Robinson said. “Instead of doing TV show, TV show, TV show, he could come to Iowa where he would probably pull very big crowds and sell his candidacy that way.”

Cain’s strategy was one reason many staffers left this summer, saying the candidate was not putting the effort in those states that’s needed.

Tina Goff, who was the Iowa state director until she left in July, told ABC News that they were “asked to come up with our own strategy for our state and he wasn't’t following the strategy we came up with.”

Here is a complete link to the entire article. It is well written and not an attack. It merely states the facts and the reality of where Cain's campaign is headed.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/who-is-hermain-cain/

103 posted on 10/09/2011 7:38:04 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: All

For what it’s worth - just a personal observation on my journey through the candidates..

Romney - back in 2008 he was attractive and appeared to have an impressive biography (I am no longer a mitten;)

Paul - has always seemed ‘trembly’.

Perry - wanted him to meet my expectations - have been disappointed.

Palin - always a big admirer and more so in her ability to endure the most diabolical destruction of an American citizen by the media.

Santorum - insufficient self confidence..like a student trying to get the professor’s attention.

Bachman - needs more cooking in the Congressional oven.

Huntsman - professional out of place.

Johnson - who is he?

Gingrich - the sibling you turn to for advice because he is the brains in the family.

Cain - the neighbor who makes all the houses in the neighborhood increase in value...because he can fix anything, design anything, get stuff done and throws great pool parties where everyone shows up to share life, laughs and good food.


104 posted on 10/09/2011 7:39:07 AM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

To put it simply..
If you take
A) the 47% that file income tax and dont pay taxes
B) all the folks working under the table
C) all the folks engaged in illegal trafficking
D) all the folks who get back 2000 to 6000 MORE than they paid (EIC)
E) all the wealthy that use loop holes and CPAs to pay low or NO taxes.

The sum total of these entities (new sources) is astounding!!!

No more special interests, no more lobbiest.
Bring it on! !


105 posted on 10/09/2011 7:39:44 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Beagle8U

Well, he campaigned to us at our convention. He won our straw poll. I bought his book and had him sign it. Then I was very disheartened to see the back of the book (I could just imagine some of the other candidates saying the same thing) and then someone pointed out last night about the empowerment zones with regard to the 999 plan. This does not look good and someone needs to explain a little better before we start filling in the blanks ourselves.


106 posted on 10/09/2011 7:39:58 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: McGavin999

“Herman Cain is a great speaker, but he won’t get elected and he knows it. He’s not even campaigning in Iowa, NH and SC.”

BS. Cain is a multimillionaire and he doesn’t need to sell any books to make money.

You may not understand his political strategy but you can’t deny that it’s working. Just look at the polls.


107 posted on 10/09/2011 7:40:45 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: ozarkgirl

Cain wouldn’t hire Cain. Whose talking point is that? It will be any of Mr. Cain’s opponents including Barack Obama.

Cain - an inexperienced politictian wearing a fake Sarah Palin costume who wants to convince the country that Barack Obama should be fired and he should be hired.

No more “lets pass it before we see what’s in it” rhetoric.

No proven record in the job you are applying for means you don’t get the job.

Cain wouldn’ hire Cain.


108 posted on 10/09/2011 7:53:25 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“your new found, suddenly perfect candidate.”

Oh kindly piss the heck off.


109 posted on 10/09/2011 7:55:56 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: tirednvirginia

Forgot to say that Cain would hire Romney though.

You know Romney? The guy wearing the fake Reagan look-alike suit.

Cain would hire him.


110 posted on 10/09/2011 7:56:46 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Yep, and polls get you elected. Sorry, is that the kind of strategic thinking he's going to use to beat Obama?

How much has he increased his donations lately? You guys have so much faith in his way of thinking, as his campaign to release the figures of contributions received per day since the 30th of September.

111 posted on 10/09/2011 7:57:49 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Please don't be a Freeploader, help to keep the lights on.)
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To: jla

Sure, I admire Romney. I admire all of our presidential candidates (even the verbally-inept Perry)except for Houseman, who is an out and out gut-shot liberal. That being said, I am NOT voting for Romney and I could possibly vote for Perry in the general election. Cain is better than any of the above.

A vote for Romney is a vote for John McCain, which equals betrayal down the road.


112 posted on 10/09/2011 7:58:29 AM PDT by Nucluside (ready)
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To: lahargis
Yes, I'm not impressed about any tax plan that includes ‘ghetto zone’ tax breaks, especially from someone that is claiming to be conservative.

Huge red flags jump up when you see that.

113 posted on 10/09/2011 7:58:53 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: tirednvirginia

“He has no experience for the job of President.”

If that’s your criteria, then Barack Obama is your man. He’ll be the only person on the ballot with experience as president.

Career politicians are the problem, not the solution. They don’t understand how the economy works. They are professional spenders of your money.


114 posted on 10/09/2011 8:00:06 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: TomGuy

Congress can bungle any tax plan, that is no reason to oppose fixing the current problem.


115 posted on 10/09/2011 8:00:52 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: JDW11235

Senators, congressmen and congress women get elected that way all of the time. So have presidents.

People are fed up with the political BS. That’s why I think Cain’s lack of previous elective office is a big positive. In a manner of speaking, he’s not one of “them.”

The man has proven his versatility over and beyond any of the competition, Democrat or Republican. He has Palin’s backbone, Palin’s commitment and conviction and his own proven ability.

His recent interviews have shown he can handle anything the media throws at him. The man doesn’t need a teleprompter nor a prepared speech. He’s on top any time, anywhere. It won’t take many more episodes of him handing some reporter/pundit their heads on a platter to win more people over. Dynamic doesn’t begin to describe the man.

I would have voted for Palin. Now that I’ve become familiar with Cain, I’m backing him. I think most of Palin’s supporters will come to the same conclusion.

Romney ‘s a socialist at heart. Perry is too lukewarm for my tastes. We need someone with fire in the belly. That’s Cain!


116 posted on 10/09/2011 8:02:03 AM PDT by meatloaf (It's time to push back against out of control government.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“An e-mail that went out to Cain supporters the day before his upset victory in the Florida straw poll wasn’t about one of Cain’s policy positions but instead offered them a chance to buy a collector’s edition box set of the book, complete with a red case and gold trim. “Consider giving a loved one a copy of This is Herman Cain,” it said. “You wouldn’t be giving them just a book. You’d give them a gift to open again and again.”

Cain spokesman J.D. Gordon noted that going whole hog for the Republican nomination and climbing the bestseller list aren’t mutually exclusive. (Cain’s book ranked 10th on Amazon.com’s bestsellers list this week.) “There’s a natural synergy between the book tour and the campaign, though they are separate events,” Gordon said, adding that no campaign funds are being spent on book promotion.

One GOP strategist said he didn’t think Cain’s book tour was bad strategy – business strategy, at least. Cain knows he isn’t going to win the nomination, despite his recent rise in the polls, said Rich Galen, a Republican consultant and former aide to House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is also vying for the nomination.

“It’s very smart to leverage his political surge to sell more books,” Galen said. “He’s a smart businessman.” “

http://nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/cain-campaign-selling-a-candidate-or-selling-books—20111006


117 posted on 10/09/2011 8:02:03 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: tirednvirginia

All this talk of him having no experience is ridiculous.

As Cain says ...we’ve had several politicians with years of experience in office — AND HOW IS THAT WORKING OUT FOR US??

Our Founding Fathers indtended for this office to be held by everyday citizens. They would do it, get in, serve for the GOOD OF THE COUNTRY, and then get out.

I see politicians in it, and especially this go around, as working for themselves, and their eventual re-election, ONLY. It just never seem to be about the country anymore. I’m tired of politicians and their self serving ways. I’m tired of PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS who serve in Congress until they’re on their deathbeds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Tired of Frank, Tired of Dodd, Tired of Kennedys, tired of them all!!

And so WHAT if the 999 plan is not perfect. At LEAST Cain is the LEADER on advancing the conversation on tax reform. THAT is leadership — proposing ideas, solutions, starting the debate! WHO has done this? NO ONE EXCEPT CAIN!!!

So, take the 999 plan, form a committe, refine it, make it palatable, answer the naysayers, and IMPLEMENT WHAT WORKS! Get it DONE!! I have EVERY, every confidence that Cain would do exactly that if elected. He doesn’t talk about it, doesn’t make promises — he gets it DONE.

Our current system benefits a lot of people, and screws the rest — and those people are goign to throw one big massive hissy fit because this takes away their gravy — but for once, the whole country benefits. The hardworking people benefit. Everyone has a stake in the country, and no more hiding out and CHEATING!!


118 posted on 10/09/2011 8:04:14 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: BarnacleCenturion

So those are the choices you want to ask us to make?

A guy with no experience vs. Barack Obama who was also elected with no experience?


119 posted on 10/09/2011 8:05:51 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: meatloaf
"We need someone with fire in the belly."

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The man looks serious.


120 posted on 10/09/2011 8:05:59 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (Raising Cain)
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To: meatloaf

Agreed on all points. Cain is articulate (without a teleprompter no less). People are tired of politicians. Our form of Government was never intended to have life long politicians. It was meant to have people successful in the real world, to stand up and represent their families, their communities and their way of life. People who have been in government for all or most of their adult lives are nothing more than parasites who could not cut it in the real world. One way or another, that will soon draw to a close, people are tired of the political class who feel entitled to our money and sweetheart deals. It’s time that government stops “picking winners and losers.” (As Herman Cain has said).


121 posted on 10/09/2011 8:08:47 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: SoJoCo

Only moderately.

Exactly what is wrong with radical change in, let’s say... the tax structure? Only an IRS agent, CPA, or liberal could fault radical restructure of THAT.


122 posted on 10/09/2011 8:09:00 AM PDT by Nucluside (ready)
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To: McGavin999

“How much has he increased his donations lately? You guys have so much faith in his way of thinking”

Money follows the poll numbers. You seem to think that it’s the other way around and that’s a mistake.

He has already raised millions and now the donations will skyrocket.


123 posted on 10/09/2011 8:09:39 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: tirednvirginia

So, you want more of the same?


124 posted on 10/09/2011 8:10:17 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Kewl! I bet Cain’s tombstone is going to be more impressive than that of Roland Burris!

hah hah!


125 posted on 10/09/2011 8:10:45 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: Grunthor

Aw yes, the typically rude, abusive and excessively nasty response. (But you did illustrate my earlier point though.)


126 posted on 10/09/2011 8:11:27 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
He is the latest Tea Party favourite

And he wants to tax tea--and everything else you buy. You can't make this stuff up!

127 posted on 10/09/2011 8:11:43 AM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: LibsRJerks

Just to reiterate, according to Cain’s plan, the 9-9-9 plan is a a transition to the FairTax it is NOT the intended final tax system. I do not like the 9-9-9 plan, but I like Cain (he’s one of several I can support, declared or not), and know that he cares deeply for both freedom and his country. He’s not perfect, but that’s not required.


128 posted on 10/09/2011 8:11:43 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: tirednvirginia

The best executives hire potential with experience.


129 posted on 10/09/2011 8:12:42 AM PDT by Nucluside (ready)
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To: tirednvirginia

“So those are the choices you want to ask us to make? A guy with no experience vs. Barack Obama”

No. Experience that counts is experience in the private sector. A guy with no experience would be someone like Perry who inherited a governorship and kept getting reelected simply by having an R next to his name in Texas. Cain has plenty of experience.


130 posted on 10/09/2011 8:14:20 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: Nucluside
Exactly what is wrong with radical change in, let’s say... the tax structure? Only an IRS agent, CPA, or liberal could fault radical restructure of THAT.

A radical change which doubles taxes for most people is a losing proposition for any candidate to run on. That's what's wrong with it. There is an election coming up in 2012 and I'd like to keep Obama from winning it. Raising the taxes on most people isn't going to accomplish that.

131 posted on 10/09/2011 8:14:37 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: JDW11235
The Fairy tax is worse than the 999 plan. That is hardly a selling point to have that as a goal.
132 posted on 10/09/2011 8:15:43 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: ozarkgirl

I’m a Sarah Palin supporter. When she decided not to run, I got on the internet and started looking at other candidates. Although he has never held public office, Herman Cain is not a newcomer to politics and has run for the Senate in NE in the 1990’s, POTUS in 2000 and for the Senate in GA in 2004. He also had a newpaper column and a radio show. Cain has a record out there before he began running for POTUS this time. If you’re going to vet Herman Cain, you need to dig deeper than his website.


133 posted on 10/09/2011 8:16:43 AM PDT by Mari2525
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To: Nucluside
I did the math here. Tell me where I'm wrong.
134 posted on 10/09/2011 8:17:09 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Beagle8U
Yes, I'm not impressed about any tax plan that includes ‘ghetto zone’ tax breaks, especially from someone that is claiming to be conservative.

Big gorilla in the room everyone seems to be ignoring. lol
135 posted on 10/09/2011 8:17:38 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: BarnacleCenturion

[Money follows the poll numbers.]

If that were true, then Perry would not have set a recent near record for donations, (17 Million in one month) shortly after his campaign was supposedly finished, done, history, etc,,.

Cain still has no financial structure or clear plan for his campaign, which is still nearly broke. (fact)


136 posted on 10/09/2011 8:18:12 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Beagle8U

I missed where you inspired us with your tax plan from on high. What was it again?


137 posted on 10/09/2011 8:18:33 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: ozarkgirl
http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2011/03/22/herman-cains-story-of-gods-healing-power.aspx

Apparently he is a minister.

Herman Cain: I’m a Baptist preacher. A lot of people don’t know that.

I’m one of the Associate Ministers there because I was called to the ministry.

I have to ask this. If he is called of God to be a minister, why would he stoop to be a President? The one certainly overrides the other.

The last "preacher" that we had as President was Jimmah Cahtah.

138 posted on 10/09/2011 8:18:33 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I have some other “phobias” too. Like Marxistophobia, Entitlementophobia,Globalwarmingophobia,biggovernmentophobia, leftistpropagandaophobia and MSNBCophobia.


139 posted on 10/09/2011 8:18:47 AM PDT by Leep
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To: VanDeKoik; JDW11235

Well said, definitely worth remembering.


140 posted on 10/09/2011 8:19:38 AM PDT by onona (At the end of your life, you will be judged on love.)
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To: JDW11235

Giving handouts to ‘empowerment zones’ wasn’t one of them. I can assure you. :)


141 posted on 10/09/2011 8:20:37 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

For those in Loma Linda, Burris is the Chicago thug politician that has all of his accomplishments chiseled on a granite stone for a tombstone. His last chiseled accomplishment was “Blagojevich appointed Senator” - yea, big accomplishment.

I don’t think that is something I would advertise.


142 posted on 10/09/2011 8:22:05 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: JDW11235
How does Cain expect to relate to everyone being that he writes on the back cover of his book, This is Herman Cain, "What is it that motivates me to insist on defining my identity in terms of "ABC" - as being American first, black second, and Conservative third?"

Given the above, he wants to relate to the black voters and never intended on winning the nomination, hence his "vacation" from the campaign trail.
143 posted on 10/09/2011 8:25:12 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: tirednvirginia

Wish I could read minds like you! You keep saying what everyone would do. No documentation, history or evidence of any kind. You must be one of those “psychics”. :)


144 posted on 10/09/2011 8:26:26 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: lahargis

I agree with you. I don’t like the 9-9-9 plan, and have criticized it at length. I don’t like duals tax forms, I don’t like empowerment zones, and I don’t like any tax plan that keeps funding the Federal Government at it’s current size.

According to the Constitution (the 16th Amendment would have to be discussed all by itself), taxes were meant tobe apportioned, and placed on goods and services (excise, duties and tarriffs). This allows you to opt out of any one of them by not purchasing the good or service which was taxed. Tax on labor is an abomination. It stifles productivity moreso than ANY other tax (because it directly penalizes prosperity, which can only come from production untimately). So I ask again, what form of taxation is it that you think is best?


145 posted on 10/09/2011 8:26:31 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“If that were true, then Perry would not have set a recent near record for donations”

Wrong. Perry was polling very high for months and only imploded recently. There are already reports of empty chairs in some of his fundraising events.

Most of the money Perry raised was from his existing contributors in Texas and now most of them are probably maxed out.

And the money Perry raised was no record. Obama raised nearly triple in the same period and Romney raised more last quarter.


146 posted on 10/09/2011 8:27:30 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“your new found, suddenly perfect candidate.”

Deserved worse than I am allowed to post on this forum. Don’t rattle the cage if you don’t want to play with the hyena.


147 posted on 10/09/2011 8:27:38 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: JDW11235

I cannot say it is the 999 plan. Sorry


148 posted on 10/09/2011 8:27:48 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: Huck
Cain's 999 plan is a very heavy VAT tax and will damage an already shaky system.

But the biggest thing his supporters fail to see is, EXACTLY HOW on God's green Earth will Cain abolish all the established entitlements, local taxes, State income Taxes, etc,,, and replace them with his plan?

Many also fail to see that his plan included keeping the current Federal Income TAX (for a while) until his plan gets established. This is pure polyannish, Populist rhetoric, which seems to be the political persuasion of the week amongst the so called “Pure/True/Perfect” Conservatives.

149 posted on 10/09/2011 8:27:58 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
“He has no experience for the job of President.”

If that’s your criteria, then Barack Obama is your man. He’ll be the only person on the ballot with experience as president.

Lol!

150 posted on 10/09/2011 8:30:29 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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