Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report (RED on Drudge!)

The West (OZ) ^ | 09/27/2011 | Unknown

[PhilosopherStone1000]

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran raised the prospect on Tuesday of sending military ships close to the United States' Atlantic coast, in what would be a major escalation of tensions between the long-standing adversaries.

"Like the arrogant powers that are present near our marine borders, we will also have a powerful presence close to American marine borders," the head of the Navy, Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari said, according to the official IRNA news agency.

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[Jeff Head]

powerful presence close to American marine borders

Let's see. the US Navy can routinely deploy the following in the vicinity of Iran:

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While the Iranians, if they are lucky, might be able to get the following somewhere in the vicinity of the US, tailed by as many nuclear subs, patrol aircraft, shadowed by as many US Navy vessels (shal we say "escorted") as necessary to assure complete and total overkill.

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That is their single largest and most modern combatant, and would have to be accompanied by their single, old replensihment ship. Any single US Arliegh Burke Destroyer or US Nuclear Submarine would utterly destroy both vessels before the Iranians even knew they were there, from well beyond their sensor range, if it came to it.

The three US Nsvy Carriers above (with their three escorting Ticonderoga AEGIS Cruisers, their six Arleigh Burke AEGIS Destroyers and replensihment ship and escort...not to mention three nuclear attack submarines also escorting them) could literally engage and destroy the entire Iranian Air force and NAvy, and take out most of their infrastructure if we felt we had a reason to do so...and still have eight more carriers and thousands of US Airforce aircraft in reserve for any other contingency.

US NAVY 21ST CENTURY

[Thunder90]

Supplied and supported by Russian and Chinese vessels...

[Traveler59]

most of the bums posting on this thread don’t know what an EMP attack is...

Isn't that what you end up with after a Big Mac attack?? You know, Extra Mustard and Pickles? (FYI, I used to maintain SLFCS radios for SAC)

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

LOL.. nobody on this site are bums by the way

I was just trying to stress that I don’t think Iran is just goofing around

[roaddog727]

All you have to do is look what happend to the Miami Area in 2005 after Hurrican Wilma hit........ NO power.

EVERYTHING came to a grinding halt. the only saving grace were backup generators - and those would be slag in an EMP strike.

No power, no electronics- which means cars, appliances, computers, Cellphones, IPODS, IPADS..........

NOT a happy prospect.

[Traveler59]

LOL.. nobody on this site are bums by the way. I was just trying to stress that I don’t think Iran is just goofing around.

I know, lots of intelligent people here. I believe Imadinnerjacket is attempting to provoke the US much like the Chia Pet in N. Korea. They may find that when words turn to action their fates will be similar to Saddams. This, of course, depends greatly on who is in the White House at the time.

[FReepaholic]

...Buy this book bookmark...

Scariest book I've ever read. Another poster says that an EMP attack is too complex for Iran. I hope to God he's correct. I hope it's too complex for anybody.

[UnChained]

What’s to prevent our CINC from establishing ROE where our forces have to wait until they are hit before they fire back? Perhaps even then to wait for presidential approval to return fire.

All this talk of how we would handily deal with the Iranian Navy neglects to take into account who we have in charge.

[oh8eleven]

No power, no electronics- which means cars, appliances, computers, Cellphones, IPODS, IPADS..........
I'm no Luddite, but more and more I'm wishing for just that.

[PastorBooks]

“Most of us will get knocked down to the 60’s after the power is restored 2-3 weeks after the initial attack.”

Sorry, but it would be far worse. The pulse would take out the circuitry in most modern vehicles; any vehicle made after 1985 or so would be in danger of never running again. This would completely halt all food transportation and refrigeration, without which we cannot re-supply store shelves.

The government commission on this danger released a statement predicting that we could see up to 90% casualties in the first year after a major pulse event, most deaths due to starvation or the inevitable violence that would happen.

There is also an issue with the transformers. People in the business have said that it would take months to years to manufacture and transport the number of transformers needed to completely restore power. Most of the equipment isn’t even made in the US, and we would be dependent on China to supply them... fat chance.

This is a very great danger.

[GAB-1955]

Don’t they have to build a working bomb first?

As long as they stay out of the twelve-mile limit, they are fine. However, if they cross that line, I can think of a few fighter wings from Maine to Florida that would greet them warmly.

[PastorBooks]

“If recent history is any indication, we will respond with a couple of small frigates, full of gay sailors...”

And yellow submarines.

[GAB-1955]

Exactly. Ahmadinejad wants panic-stricken reactions from Americans. Well, my great-grandfather shot at invaders on his land, and my uncles shot or bombed Nazis, and my brother shot VC and NVA... I'll just keep calm, man the binox and the radio, and call in gunfire.

[nevergore]

Well aren’t we the arrogant little one....

I think you will find most Freepers well informaed....

Put that in your Faraday cages and smoke it....
(It’s OK, you can Google Faraday cage) :^)

[PastorBooks]

It’s not too complex. The latest rocket tests that have been reported show they have achieved some low-orbit launches.

It won’t be long before they can pull this off.

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

I apologize. I sure didn’t mean it that way.

[PastorBooks]

“No power, no electronics- which means cars, appliances, computers...”

Few vehicles + no truck transportation + no refrigeration = no food.

Mass starvation would be the result. We cannot feed our current population with 1850s technology.

[PastorBooks]

They don’t need a fleet. They only need one boat and the capability to make a low-orbit launch, and we’re toast.

And they don’t care about surviving the encounter.

[Mariner]

Who is going to tow them here?

Do they even have a ship over 1,500 tons?

[nevergore]

No need to apologize...You were just poking some fun...read several of the threads posted down the line....Mea Culpa is fine...

We would be able to track and identify who triggered the EMP and our military would respond in kind. Utter destruction for the country that did it....

Iran doesn’t yet have the capability nor the will to carry it out. BTW, most of our military assests are EMP hardened.

As a EE, the single high altitude nuke scenario taking down the entire country is farfetched, it would take multiple nukes strategically located and at the correct altitude to take down the entire nation. Again, beyond Iran’s capability.

The only thing we have to fear from the Iranian Navy is that there ships leave an oil slick just outside our teritorial waters that eventually washes up on shore.

[SJackson]

Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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Yes, they could.

[livius]

VZ was my first thought, also. Not to mention Cuba.

[roaddog727]

“Mass starvation would be the result. We cannot feed our current population with 1850s technology.”

BINGO!

[roaddog727]

I need to lay in a good supply of flint n steel........

[Impy]

You really think Iran has an EMP?

Do WE even have one?

I don’t think they are that retarded. If they attack us they will be destroyed.

[Eleutheria5]

I do hope they try it. The coral reefs need more scrap metal to build themselves up.

[Eleutheria5]

Actually, it can. The most weak-kneed, cowardly sob of a POTUS would have to defend the US coast from attack. Surrendering the keys to the country would be treason, and impeachable, and the military would not obey. And the US Navy could make a big old gorilla cookie out of the Iranian Navy any day, anywhere.

[Eaker]

Full of yourself aren’t you ‘lil feller?

[Sergio]

Here is quick and basic primer on EMP weapons.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb.htm/printable

[mulder1]

19 men in civilian airliners defeated all U.S. security measures on 9/11/01.(911 Commission)

[anniegetyourgun]

So, they did accept the Obama invite to come for a visit?

[rzman21]

Iran’s navy is mostly made up of 1970s American technology along with some 1980s and 1990s Russian hardware.

It’s about as much of a threat as the Russian navy, and that’s not saying much.

[Trueblackman]

Even with the Perry’s being old and heading for decommissioning, a fleet of them would have fun sinking the Iranian Navy.

[Gandalf_The_Gray]

Iran doesn’t even have a nuke.

And when it gets one it will be about the same degree of sophistication as our WWII designs. They are an awful long way from fusion devices and a 15 or 20 kiloton device lobbed into space is NOT going to "blanket" the US from coast to coast. The expanding shell of electrons from a nuclear explosion will behave like radiant energy and follow the inverse square law. That is the electron density of the pulse will fall off by a factor of 4 for every doubling of distance between point of detonation and target. Thus you need to keep the blast close to the ground to have an effective EMP, but that will limit the area coverage. As you increase the altitude of the burst you get more area coverage (line of sight), but you reduce the electron density of the pulse (current). There is no way to have it both ways. An air burst of a 20 kiloton device is not TEOTWAWKI. To blanket the US from coast to coast would take something like a 50 megaton device detonated at 300 miles over Kansas city.

The USSR tested the Tsar Bomba at 57 megatons but never put them in inventory. I believe they really scared themselves when they popped that cork.

The reason I postulate a 15 to 20 Kiloton device for the Iranian's first device is as follows. There are two fuels that can be used to produce a fission bomb, U²³⁵ and Pu²⁰⁹. And there are two basic designs for assembling a super-critical mass, gun assembly and implosion. U²³⁵ is about 7% of natural uranium with the balance being U²³⁸. Enriching it by separating the two isotopes is a difficult and expensive task. Plutonium²⁰⁹ is a man made element that is the product of exposing uranium to the neutron flux in a nuclear reactor. Separating the plutonium from the uranium is much easier as it is a chemical process because they are two separate elements, not isotopes.

Why did Iran undertake the Uranium separation process and not the easier plutonium route? Because the spontaneous release of neutrons for plutonium is such that you only have micro seconds to assemble a critical mass whereas when using uranium you can do the assembly in milliseconds. Which brings us to the two assembly methods: The gun type bomb is a simple artillery field piece with a sub critical uranium bullet fired into a sub critical target. The process takes milliseconds and is simple and reliable. The implosion device takes a sub critical mass of either PU or U and surrounds it with high explosive lenses that create an inward moving shock-wave that compresses the core (pit), raising it's density in microseconds which drives it into criticallity. The trick takes very precise timing of the detonators firing the HE and sophisticated electronics that are generally tightly controlled.

In a nutshell, implosion can use either fuel but requires very sophisticated and precise electronics. The gun type assembly only works with Uranium, if you try to fire plutonium in a gun type device you will certainly get a fizzle.

Regards,
GtG

[rdl6989]

Iranian sailors will sleep with the fishes.

[ZULU]

As long as the socialist Putz remains ensconced in the Oval Office, threats against America’s heartland grow and grow - from Iran and others.

Is THIS change we can live with?????

The differences between ANY of the GOP candidate PALE when compared with this mocking obscenity sitting in Washington.

[PMAS]

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[ViLaLuz]

Not to worry, our CiC will open a dialog - schedule a sit-down...
Ah, yes...a Tea Summit. That will do it.

After 0bama bows to Achmadinajad and kisses his ring.

[trooprally]

During the hostage taking by Iran one of the t-shirts that I wore read:
Made in America
Test on Japan
Harm one man and we will drop it on Iran

Sounds appropriate here if we can get a real conservative elected.

[Mr] T

[wrench]

We have more to fear from the Mexican cartels than these big mouthed wannabe trouble makers.

While we have no control over the mexican border, the east coast is stitched up tighter than a drum. Absolutely nothing above the size of a 10 meter boat moves undetected, and nothing flying bigger than a J-3 goes without notice. And this is for several hundred miles off the coast.

We need to do some good old time shouldering and crowding exercises with this floatsom. Bring it on.

[Raven6]

I say just send our SEAL teams up over their gunwhales on a night when there is a new moon, and have a fast attack craft standing by with a chipper/shredder mounted on the stearn. That way, after the fast attack craft pulls up alongside the Iranian vessel, the SEALs can just drop the bodies into the hopper and feed the fish. Scuttle the vessel with several charges after it has been moved quite a ways from the intercept point.

With all of that done, if anyone says anything... You just say "Hell, Captain Henry Morgan ain't dead - he was just restin' for a spell."

[Mr. Wright]

But you must remember who is CIC — the CIC is BHO - enough said.

[Domandred]

Here’s another

http://lightsoutthebook.com/

used to be a free eBook, but doesn’t look like it still is.

[sjmjax]

I don't know exactly what is Iran's purpose for doing such but it's not likely to directly confront the American Navy nor is our navy likely to sink them.

I suspect it is a projection of power. Just showing they can do it and get away with it. Their target audience is not us but other middle eastern nations. Although annoying us is a nice bonus.

It is a show of power to influence local events present and future and impress other Islamic Nations.

[LouAvul]

Dunno. Clinton wouldn’t let our guys in dangerous waters with ammo on the top deck. That’s how the USS Cole was hit.

[grey_whiskers]

Try this and the links therein.

From this thread.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

No power, no electronics- which means cars, appliances, computers, Cellphones, IPODS, IPADS..........

NO MORE Free Republic either...!!!

We'll have to communicate by carrier pigeon...so no more "Hottie Pinglist" threads.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

Read this and associated links.

All you need is a small fission device: it is the gamma ray flux which causes Compton scattering (electrons knocked out of the atoms / molecules in the upper atmosphere) which travel at relativistic speeds, and interact with the Earth's magnetic field.

The design of the bomb, and the casing, can enhance the proportion of the weapon's energy which is released as gamma radiation: and by designing the case properly one can focus the gamma rays "downward" to the ground.

A fission weapon, according to these sources, will still be quite a good source of EMP: it is not directly a function of notional yield.

Cheers!

[Armedanddangerous]

they have a number of small, decrepid looking diesel subs in the Iranian navy that looks like water would leak in the screen doors.

[stevie_d_64]

Was there, did that...And it was fun...They blowed up reel good!!!