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Massive power outage hits San Diego
latimes.com/ ^ | 9/8/11 | latimesblogs

Posted on 09/08/2011 4:50:52 PM PDT by dragnet2

Edited on 09/08/2011 4:55:11 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A large swath of San Diego County was without power Thursday afternoon as officials investigated the cause of the outage.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; poweroutage; sandiego; sandiegopoweroutage
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To: Raebie
Crap. If I got stuck indefinitely in an elevator, I’d shoot myself.


101 posted on 09/08/2011 6:18:50 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Raebie

Thanks!

They don’t know what really happened at that plant yet...

Only that the Power is out in
San Diego County
Imperial Valley
Coachella Valley
Parts of Orange Co.
Tijuana...

I will keep you posted when they report on it...

People are tweeting where can they get water, ice, food
gas....


102 posted on 09/08/2011 6:19:17 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: toldyou

I know, right? I wonder how he would feel about sitting in the dark after hearing about terror threats.


103 posted on 09/08/2011 6:19:52 PM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: NautiNurse

“The San Diego border along Mexico is still open, as U.S. Customs and Border Patrol are running on back up power.”

Until they run out of fuel for the generators or somebody disables them, too, and then it’ll be a free-for-all. In which case, you may need to revise your numbers up a bit.


104 posted on 09/08/2011 6:20:10 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: dragnet2
I believe that this outage affects the border checkpoints.

What say AQ is bringing the bomb though San Diego as we speak.


105 posted on 09/08/2011 6:22:02 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Raebie

The power plant went off line as a safety measure. The plant takes itself off line to protect the plant from any damage.


106 posted on 09/08/2011 6:22:09 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: TaraP
Is it the Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant that had problems ? Here is a little info on that plant.

PNM is proud to be one of several owners of Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station, largest nuclear plant in the United States. Located about 50 miles west of Phoenix in Tonopah, Ariz., Palo Verde generates 3,810 megawatts of energy. The plant, which has been online since 1986, services homes throughout the Southwest and meets nearly 20 percent of the power needs of PNM customers.

107 posted on 09/08/2011 6:22:28 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: TaraP

Thanks Tara. Nice to have a ‘front line’ reporter here. :-)


108 posted on 09/08/2011 6:22:58 PM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: buccaneer81

LOL!

Remember that one? LOL! Thanks!


109 posted on 09/08/2011 6:23:40 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Drill Thrawl

Severed doesn’t mean the lines have been physically cut. It means service has been interrupted. They still don’t know why.


110 posted on 09/08/2011 6:23:47 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: fanfan

Definitely a Top Ten episode!


111 posted on 09/08/2011 6:25:15 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Raebie

SDGE is reporting they have repaired one of the Transmission Lines and some power should slowly be restored
no ETA yet....


112 posted on 09/08/2011 6:25:15 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
I believe that this outage affects the border checkpoints. What say AQ is bringing the bomb though San Diego as we speak

While everyone is running around trying to figure out what happened,

That is very frightening!

113 posted on 09/08/2011 6:26:15 PM PDT by tapatio (In memory of my Dad 5-27-26 2-4-2010)
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To: TaraP

I wonder if we’ll ever know if this was a purposeful act of sabatoge. The terror alerts tonight are creeping me out.


114 posted on 09/08/2011 6:26:50 PM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: TaraP

500 KV Line has been restored..

No Power in CA yet.....


115 posted on 09/08/2011 6:27:06 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: tapatio
What with Sept 11 & the car bomb alert etc

116 posted on 09/08/2011 6:28:22 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Don’t AQ and other radical islamic terrorists know that our president won the Nobel Peace Prize? Doesn’t that mean anything to them?
/big sarc


117 posted on 09/08/2011 6:28:25 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: no-to-illegals

This sounds like a plot of a NCIS show (rerun) I saw a few days ago - terrorists planed to take out three key transmission towers somewhere on the east coast. Three towers down would cascade and cause power outages throughout the entire east coast. Of course Gibbs and crew riddled the terrorist with bullets before he could trigger the bomb to the first tower!


118 posted on 09/08/2011 6:28:54 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: abigailsmybaby

Cut, sever, does not matter. They point is they don’t know how or why but they KNOW it’s not terrorism.


119 posted on 09/08/2011 6:29:17 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: Raebie

Gridlock in downtown San Diego..

Supermarkets closed...Cops worrying about no Power after it gets dark....


120 posted on 09/08/2011 6:29:24 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: Beckett08
From your link...

The FBI said the power outage is not related to the terror threat.

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...San Diego Gas & Electric crews are trying to determine the cause of the outage,... SDG&E representatives say they are looking into the issue and currently do not know what caused the outages.

So which is it? If SG&E has no idea what caused it, how can the FBI already be ruling out terrorism as a cause?

What am I missing?

121 posted on 09/08/2011 6:30:11 PM PDT by Gritty (Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these SOBs (Tea Party) out!-Jimmy Hoffa)
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To: TaraP

That is not pretty.


122 posted on 09/08/2011 6:30:28 PM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: TaraP
Supermarkets closed...Cops worrying about no Power after it gets dark....

How well behaved is San Diego's indigenous "urban shopping" population?

123 posted on 09/08/2011 6:31:38 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: TaraP

“Supermarkets closed...Cops worrying about no Power after it gets dark....”

Zombie Apocalypse.


124 posted on 09/08/2011 6:31:44 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Gritty

The terror threat was for NYC/DC, and this event is unscripted.


125 posted on 09/08/2011 6:32:25 PM PDT by swamprebel ( proud SOB?Barbarian/ Hobbit!)
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To: TaraP

“Essentially we have two connections from the rest of the world: One of from the north and one is to the east. Both connections are severed,” said the SDG&E official.

The FBI and SDG&E officials said the power outage is not related to the terror threat.

The mayor’s office is asking people to stay off roads and do not use land line phones. He will be holding a press conference at 8 p.m. to discuss the situation.

San Diego County spokesman Mike Workman said that his department was unaware to the cause of what was going on and he is “sending a representative to SDG&E right now.”

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/San-Diego-Communities-Experience-Blackout-129493378.html


126 posted on 09/08/2011 6:33:16 PM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: dragnet2
Unless there is only one feed {transmission line} coming into San Diego they should be able to isolate the down line and re-route. Even if they had the line fixed this moment it would likely take all night to get all places back on. You can't just slam the grid all at once. Instead the utilities will have to dispatch workers to each substation and bring them back up one or several at a time manually or possible remotely but still the same procedure.

If the lights go out in you home generally there is three reset attempts unless it is the transformer fuse etc out on the pole. Third time is the line is still in trouble it goes dead until cleared.

This one sounds like a domino effect failure where the switching stations could not keep up and contain it to one area. IOW the more transmission lines which are lost the higher the demand on working ones causing more failures. In ideal conditions things usually don't go that far. But it happens from time to time.

127 posted on 09/08/2011 6:33:58 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Gritty
So which is it? If SG&E has no idea what caused it, how can the FBI already be ruling out terrorism as a cause?

Be cause that is what those incompetent clowns do EVERY SINGLE TIME(remember Ft. Hood wasn't terrorism). One of the many reasons we should no longer trust our government.

128 posted on 09/08/2011 6:34:36 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: buccaneer81

Parts of San Diego are rough..Gang bangers and druggies

Don’t mean to sound racist, but when the reporter was talking on T.V from one of the downtown streets in SD..2 Black guys kept shouting and getting in the way of the camera, so the reporter said..he was going off for a few minutes to get away from the rudeness of those 2 guys....


129 posted on 09/08/2011 6:34:44 PM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: swamprebel

Just as a side note:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2775681/posts


130 posted on 09/08/2011 6:34:56 PM PDT by elpinta (John 17:3)
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To: abigailsmybaby

Severed doesn’t mean the lines have been physically cut. It means service has been interrupted. They still don’t know why.


They said that “severed doesn’t mean lines have been physically cut” or you’re figuring that’s what they mean?


131 posted on 09/08/2011 6:35:09 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: steve86

The only reason for that in Bako is 12ga


132 posted on 09/08/2011 6:37:36 PM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: Raebie
The mayor’s office is asking people to stay off roads and do not use land line phones.

Ma Bell has her own power supply. Phones work off 48 volts DC suppied by batteries and if power fails they have generators to charge the batteries. Better yet if he wants them too stay off land lines then cell lines would apply as well because cells must also use land lines. Cell towers also have their own back up power.

133 posted on 09/08/2011 6:41:28 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Power is not the issue, it is infrastructure: phone networks are not designed to be used at high usage rates (not too many people on at the same time), and that is the issue.


134 posted on 09/08/2011 6:45:47 PM PDT by elpinta (John 17:3)
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To: elpinta

More than 2 million on both sides of the US-Mexico border without power - AP


135 posted on 09/08/2011 6:46:50 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Beaten Valve

That is not trivial.


136 posted on 09/08/2011 6:48:29 PM PDT by elpinta (John 17:3)
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To: buccaneer81

“How well behaved is San Diego’s indigenous “urban shopping” population?”

I think they are all for redistribution of the wealth on their terms. They call it “social justice”.


137 posted on 09/08/2011 6:49:31 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: kristinn

That was my first guess...not a cut power line though, just a switch turned off.


138 posted on 09/08/2011 6:50:12 PM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: cva66snipe; elpinta

As elpinta said, the problem isn’t the power supply (even the generators will only last around 24 hours though), it’s the fact that the system can’t handle that kind of load all at once. If everyone crowds the circuits at once, it WILL crash the entire system and that includes 911 systems as well. I know this because of the 10+ years I’ve worked for Verizon and now Frontier as a Outside Plant Engineer.


139 posted on 09/08/2011 6:50:31 PM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: elpinta
Power is not the issue, it is infrastructure: phone networks are not designed to be used at high usage rates (not too many people on at the same time), and that is the issue.

I would guess over two thirds of the population only has cordless phones in their home and roughly about a third up too a half of the population in the city actually uses Cable TV phone service. IOW they can't talk right now anyway. No Power? No Cable. With a Ma Bell land line you will have service with cable you won't. With cells? Possibly either way.

The cell phones would put far more stress on infrastructure than land lines. Cells can not function without Ma Bells Land Lines. That's why his statement makes no sense.

140 posted on 09/08/2011 6:53:40 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: USCG SimTech

Here in the Ozarks we went without power in the dead of winter for 3 weeks after a major ice storm. How’s that for you?


141 posted on 09/08/2011 6:53:58 PM PDT by thrilling
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To: Parley Baer

And isn’t Kalifornia trying to set Second Amendment restrictions?? Need guns just for this purpose — the lights go out and the gangs and druggies go wild — and THEY have the weapons, law or no law.


142 posted on 09/08/2011 6:55:17 PM PDT by CedarDave (Hurricane Irene -- cleanup will give the economy the stimulus Obama wants (US taxpayers pay))
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To: Avalon Hussar

Post #140 Clarifies my point.


143 posted on 09/08/2011 6:56:47 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: thrilling

You win. :-)


144 posted on 09/08/2011 6:57:37 PM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: Beaten Valve

Wow! That is major.

I have a grandson in SD. He lives on his boat. I hope he is OK.


145 posted on 09/08/2011 6:58:03 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah: Are you gonna fish or cut bait?)
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To: NautiNurse

“California will have 378,426 new residents by dawn.”

Only if they move to Mississippi by dawn.


146 posted on 09/08/2011 7:00:00 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: AZ .44 MAG

You affected by this? and if you are, it would be hard for you to reply, I guess. haha.


147 posted on 09/08/2011 7:02:22 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dragnet2
No electricity for air conditioning or heating to protect San Diegans from the weather over the next few days:

http://www.weather.com/weather/5-day/San+Diego+CA+USCA0982

69-73 degrees in the day and 62-65 degrees at night.

Hope they make it.

148 posted on 09/08/2011 7:05:32 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Drill Thrawl

And if they arrest someone named Mohammed who cut the lines while screaming “Allahu akbar,” they’ll assure us that it had nothing to do with Islam. He’ll be “a loner with psychological problems.”


149 posted on 09/08/2011 7:06:41 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: kristinn

Arizona must be pissed off at the 9th Circuit.


150 posted on 09/08/2011 7:09:15 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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