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To: PieterCasparzen
No. We would get all the blame. We already fought the shutdown fight with Clinton and lost. The Obama economy is a nightmare, and this shutdown would allow him to blame his continued poor performance on the alleged uncertainty wrought by the intransigence of the GOP. Wall Street would go berserk, there could be serious consequences in the bond market, for the dollar, etc. We would get all the blame thanks to a media absolutely salivating at the chance to lift the economic millstone from around Obama’s neck. Moreover, Republicans would be blamed for every negative ramification - from delayed Social Security checks and Medicare reimbursements to closed national parks to endangering our troops and mistreating our veterans. It would be a nightmare for us and the result would be a return of Obama in 2013 with a strengthened hand. No, this had to end this way, this time around. Anything else was political suicide, and the only way we save America from bankruptcy and demise is through our political success. 2012 - keep your eye on the prize.
30 posted on 08/01/2011 12:31:58 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: americanophile
You are just wrong.

Allowing government and its debt to grow massively for another two years insures that the Republicans will have to make even MORE DRACONIAN CUTS if they take control of Congress and White House in 2013.

If the Republican party will be destroyed by administering pain, better it be destroyed RIGHT NOW when there is a chance to save the country.

If the country is destroyed by financial failure, neither major party will be worth a nickel.

There is no middle ground on insolvency.

You stop spending and borrowing immediately when you are this far into massive debt.

What this deal does is acknowledge to the world the problem is insurmountable and virtually assures a violent upheaval in this country when the American financial system inevitably collapses.

Extremely painful cuts need to be made RIGHT NOW to even have a chance to save this country.

Putting off massive cuts for another day continues the same irresponsible behavior by American congresses for the past 75 years.

This deal represents a failure of the American experiment. This is a people who cannot responsibly govern themselves. This is a people living in a fairy-tale-world that is quickly becoming their worst nightmare.

64 posted on 08/01/2011 4:01:54 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority (Where is the middle ground on insolvency of the United States government?)
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