Skip to comments.Casey Anthony Found Not Guilty of 1st-Degree Murder, Acquitted of Manslaughter in Daughter's Death
Posted on 07/05/2011 7:27:58 AM PDT by freebird5850
Morning all, didn't see a thread for today so I created one.
That's good to know.
But you weren't on trial. And if Miss Anthony is a psychopath (which seems rather likely), she might very well do such a thing. Such behavior doesn't indicate murder or manslaughter; it indicates psychopathy. The trial was for the former, not the latter.
Disclaimer: I am not a professional in either the mental health or legal fields, and my comments are not to be taken as more than personal opinions.
Well, from that, we can conclude that you, Alissa, don't really believe that following the law is important.
And what a splendid way of saving money....let's just get rid of that "innocent until proven guilty" principle!
There was a preponderance of circumstanlial evidense in this case, [...]
That will get you a Grand Jury indictment, or a family court judgement.
But this was a criminal trial. The standard of evidence is above "preponderance of the evidence"...and it's even beyond "clear and convincing evidence" or "Clear, Unequivocal, Satisfactory, and Convincing Evidence", etc.
Those are lower standards than what the law (oh, that pesky "law" thing again!) prescribes for this criminal trial, where a person's liberty (and even life) is at stake.
Circumstantial evidence is fine and common sense is fine, just like evaluating veracity of witnesses is fine. But the highest standard of proof is still required--throughout this great land of America...state to state, even in Florida.
Ok, but if they had found her guilty, then they wouldn’t have gotten book deals, etc?
I understand, maybe they’ll be more in demand now....but, also, they’ll be more hated...why not go with what will make you look good to everyone AND be able to get the book deals??
Why didn’t they charge her with corpse abuse, can they do that now? Endangerment?
Also, if the jury in any way bought the drowning story—why wouldn’t they nail her with child abuse/neglect? Involuntary manslaughter. I understand skipping the verdict of—1st degree murder—I wouldn’t have went for that, either. No matter what my mother thinks :p
(child abuse and manslaughter were a choice, no?)
Why would George be responsible for a drowning and not Casey—Casey was the mother. Is this like Obamacare?!?! The parents are responsible until 25! Is this the new standard?
People are charged with manslaughter for drownings etc plenty—the theory that the illegally talking jury believed. (according to comments by juror 14)
sleeping with an adult as police offered Casey as an ‘out’
There were so many other choices—I just DON’T understand!
Where did you get that idea? from Jose Baez. Exactly...
Where did you get your information, pundits on television?
Some of us actually read the EVIDENCE, obviously, you didn't.
I can tell you the verdict would have been different or the jury would have been hung if this woman was on the jury.
all 12 jurors?? who happen to believe in the death penalty which points a little more to them being conservative...
That is dishonest, I KNOW for a FACT that two of them were against the DP and Perry wouldn’t allow them to be dismissed.
I think you assume and paint too much with a wide brush....
All I can think of is the line from Al Pacino in The Devil’s Advocate:
“We’re coming out...guns blazing....ll of us, acquittal after acquittal after acquittal...until the stench of it reaches so high and far into Heaven it chokes the whole @$#@ing lot of them!”
There must have been a HUGE conspiracy since more than two dogs smelled decamp, tow guy smelled it, Casey’s parents smelled it, a dozen or more police officers smelled it, forensics smelled it, Lee smelled it...
Casey was the only person driving her car. There was Caylee’s hair with a death band in her trunk.
You do know that she tried to set up her boyfriend before Jose came up with the molestation by her father and /or Lee? She even had Cindy & George believing her. George bought a gun to go after him and Casey’s friends who they were convinced knew what happened to Caylee. Who do you think put that idea in their head?
Hmm... so Im saying the jury was completely lacking in intelligence, youre saying they were completely lacking in ethical standards of morality/behavior (ignoring the truth in favor of punishing prosecution behavior they didnt like.)
Theres another option: Maybe it was six of one, and half a dozen of the other.
I am judging here and assuming, from listening to the 14th juror as my control.
Judging from him, I say yes, they were punishing, not judging facts.
I could be just as wrong as I feel they were—but that’s my opinion. I SEE the evidence and can’t find any other reason to ignore the evidence, other than what I believe at this point.
I can’t wrap my mind around such stupidity but vengeance—yeah, sure thang...
She’s in trouble with the IRS over 200,000 payin’ no taxes, but she will make that in the blink of an eye.
Tell me it isn’t disturbing to watch people here who see two plus three plus five plus one, and then state that there is no proof these equal eleven.
People think murder cases are all wrapped in some neat little ball, every loose end tied up, just like on T.V. It doesn’t work that way off T.V.
In the real world, you have to weigh the evidence and come to the most likely conclusion. In this case, the most likely conclusion was that Anthony was guilty as could be.
Yep mom got off. Justice was served. Yep, it was served for everyone except the little dead girl. Aw, who gives a rats ass about her anyway? A lot fewer than I thought it seems.
Think about that if you say justice was done in this case.
I was quoting another freeper, dude, just read...I didn’t get that from Baez....sheesh...
You don’t have to be rude just b/c someone has a different opinion than you do.
Since you know so much, would you mind filling me in and explaining to me the whole meter reader deal....the whole scene with the deputy....I admit I missed that part.
And tell me why George Anthony lied over and over on the stand....
I’m not saying the girl didn’t do it....as I’ve posted NUMEROUS times....it’s hard to convict without a cause of death, for one....the prosecution stuck to one cause of death story which they couldn’t prove, for 2....and so they boxed themselves in. The jury had no other choice, if they were to be honest, but to acquit....BASED ON THE EVIDENCE.
Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but you don’t have to be rude and condenscending just because someone doesn’t go with the flow and join the mob mentality of jury hate.
No, Im not saying that a fingerprint would have been the answer to it all. I am saying that I think the case created way more questions than it even started with. George Anthony lied on the stand. That bothers me. Hes hiding something. Also, I am bothered by the meter reader and his moving/not moving the body....I did miss that part of the trial...I missed part of the issue about the deputy being rude and not looking just a few feet from where he was standing for the body or something. Can you fill me in there?
OK, let’s say George is lying about an affair, this will sound horrible but I don’t give a chit, really—so what— who could blame him?!
George wasn’t a saint, once Cindy strong-armed George into to leaving the police force,leaving Ohio for Florida—he never really made ‘good’ again. Cindy the nurse carried that family.
George had gambled a good bit and as I understand it, that’s why he left the house in the months shortly before all this. He gambled away much of Cindy’s money.
If George was a chester-molester, and he was out of the house—why didn’t Casey take that opportunity to tell Cindy about his molesting ways, keep him out and away from her and Caylee.
After all, her friends say she was PISSED George had moved back into the home and had even told her frinds SHE would have the house, so much so her friend Amy strated having her mail directed to the Anthony home.
A cheater, and a liar does not a killer and cover-upper make. You want evidence of Casey guilt, you got it, but you have NONE against George but are willing to make that leap on a “ feeling” a liar. I propose Casey was a liar with more evidence against her—SHE was on trial, not George.
Krunk(sp?), the ‘meter-reader’ moved the body? OK, explain this one to me...I. am. confused.
You but the tape theory? Then why is the tape so degraded in such a short time? The Krunk theory doesn’t have legs, sorry there is just nothing reasonable AT ALL to hang the old hat on.
I also wonder why weather was never brought up by the state.
The Texaseqsearch atv that was runied, drowned—the only verified drowning victim in this case.
Read the evidence online like many of us did.
Maybe then you can insult the rest of us with your knowledge of the trial instead of just repeating things that aren’t true while telling the rest of us how stupid we are for thinking she should be in prison for cold blooded murder of her daughter.
Why don’t you show us the EVIDENCE of an accident? Just one little piece of EVIDENCE since that is what the jurors based their decision on according to the alternate juror.
ACCIDENT...no evidence just Jose Baez unethically throwing that nonsense out in his opening with no damn intention of ever presenting ANY EVIDENCE. But, hey, what the hell, he won, which is what this is all about.
Party on, JOSE!
You do know that she tried to set up her boyfriend before Jose came up with the molestation by her father and /or Lee?
You dont have to be rude just b/c someone has a different opinion than you do.
I agree but under heavy attack—rude is a damn good plan! :p heh
I disagree with you but hang tight, FRiend. :)
I just love how some of these people claim we are a lynch mob because there was no evidence to convict but they are willing to buy Jose’s argument of an accident with no evidence, then they admit they didn’t watch the trial (or read the transcripts) which presented the evidence.
But we are the stupid ones...Color me confused.
Maybe calling people a lynch mob without knowing the evidence yourself will make people a little defensive. Just a thought.
I don’t see this case as one with the constitution in the balance and yes most class A felony cases which actually go to trial are presented as much through a preponderance of circumstantial.
And most....vast majority are found guilty
I have a fair amount of courtroom time myself at all perspectives criminal and civil and have found it works great circumstantial or not
I don’t like folks telling me what to do except my wife...I’m sure you are a wonderful mom and I did not criticize that but find your pronouncement a bit odd for a woman mommied up enough to call herself mom on the forum
Every mom I know despises this verdict...without exception
I just love how some of these people claim we are a lynch mob because there was no evidence to convict but they are willing to buy Joses argument of an accident with no evidence, then they admit they didnt watch the trial (or read the transcripts) which presented the evidence.
But we are the stupid ones...Color me confused.
I admit, I am rusty and I can only really recall 2008 stuff—I fell off the map after that.
What I recall from then—I am disappointed by some evidence that the state didn’t bring in. I have watched almost every second of the trial, though.
I can only suspect the state was scared of opening those doors—why? I surely couldn’t be worse than THIS.
More information is better than less and as much as I think Perry is a good and fair Judge, his rush, rush, hurry, hurry took it’s toll. We see that now.
That is my opinion of this big mess. Casey walks free but we were on schedule by gosh!
No one sits in jail for three years afraid to report an accident of their daughter. No one lies about a missing daughter for 31 days. No one drives around with a dead body to the point of decamp over an accident. No one wraps their dead child in a garbage bag and throws her in the woods to rot over an accident. No one goes out to rent a movie and/or to party the day after your daughter is found dead.
Just everyday common sense tells me this. And not hundreds/or thousands of sleazy lawyers could convince me otherwise.
Have you been a case junkie from day one throughout or only followed the trial?
I’m curious because I think that tells something.
Also, if you’ve only followed the trial, I want to thank you for your honesty etc. and being brave enough to stand your ground.
I am very curious for extreme honesty in this area. I think we can all learn much from it.
I followed in what I would call hard-core in 2008, then let it go once it was determined that the corpse was Caylee.
Some have followed hard-core from day one until now...
Some have only recently started following, since the trial..serious trial watcher or semi-trial watcher.
I am curious as to where opinions fall according to how one followed/follows this case.
The child HAD to decompose (timer 55), we don’t know what she actually did—it could even be worse than we imagined. Decompose for 55 days—mom or the police could never determine what REALLY happened to Caylee.
Law dictates we can’t judge on imagination, but I truly believe the state provided evidence that left VERY little to the imagination.
The state took me as close to Casey’s warped mind as I care to venture—though they failed to bring in several things I believe would have ‘sealed-the-deal’ for them.
Jesse Grund(sp?) being a BIG one, he hurt but he helped MUCH more than he hurt! That policeman they fired but he AOL IM’d with Casey, called Caylee the “offspring” and nanny “offspringkeeper” or some such.
Casey said she was ready to “gnaw her arm off to get away”. It cetainly showed Casey’s desperation to be free of her child, her home and her LIES about NANNY THEN!!! Even nanny with Jesse...
Also, at this point, I don’t believe Casey cooked up some chloroform. It is to volatile and I just don’t buy it, Casey is a big *ahem* pussy. I do wonder about cleaners in the trunk—what is in Frbreeze?
Decomp—yeah buddy THAT was there!
As an aside—how many lives has Casey ruined, now?!
One last thought— her ears (hahaha)
In the early 9o’s there was some red-headed kid that was 12? 13? and smashed the head of a 4 yr old boy. They made some defense that included his ears, as I recall, in some vague way.
Anyhow, Casey has strange ears, so does Obama for that matter. Casey also has strange hands, all fingers close to equal.
I don’t know, only Pelosi and Casey have ever set me to hating ugly hands..hahahaha
I don’t find it an excuse but do ears and hands tell anything? *sigh* niters all!
I’m thinking stupid tired now! gah!
My experience was during selection the first question was “Are you a college graduate?”. The defense wanted NO educated people on the jury.
At least Casey will be free soon to begin the search for the real killers.
That "gut" feeling is called reason and logic, a quality a lot of Freepers appear to lack.
From another post:A nice, clean gotcha with the DNA and intact body absolves the jury from having to think too much and actually assess what really happened. It also makes them feel good because they didnt have to make a tough decision. It was easier this way.
I am sure her new buddy, Sean Hannity, will book her for his show.
That remains an unsupported conspiracy theory.
I pray I never find myself on that kind of jury. The prosecution came up with a great and probably true theory, but just not a lot of evidence to back it up. Certainly the child was dumped in the swamp, and probably murdered, but by whom? The mother's certainly guilty of something, but what? How much evidential weight does the defendant's demeanor carry?
I am sure her new buddy, Sean Hannity, will book her for his show.
Yep, Hannity pretends a bunch of chit. I am SO done with FOX, as long as they think Geraldo is special and good—I’m done.
hate, hate, hate Geraldo. Beck is gone and Geraldo is there? I’m done until mustache man is gone, gone, gone. Stinky boy.
With my tin foil hat on, I just had a strange thought.
When I first heard the verdict read, I was in TOTAL disbelief. ALL TWELVE jurors voted NOT GUILTY?? I kept hearing on the coverage how people were ALMOST CONSTANTLY hearing this jury LAUGHING while they were asked to leave the courtroom for brief periods in a room off of the main courtroom.
IMHO, it made it sound to me that they were becoming a “close knit unit”.
I got to thinking, what if they became REAL close with each other to the point of “covering” for each other?
It only would have taken ONE or more jurors to hang up the jury and give Casey Anthony a “Not Guilty” verdict. The problem with that happening is when the jury is “polled” at the end, those jurors would have to say to the WORLD that it was THEIR vote that did not convict Casey.
If there were one or a couple more “Not Guilty” jurors, those jurors would have REALLY had a problem for not convicting Casey when if not for their vote, Casey would have been found guilty.
If the jurors KNEW that they were hopelessly deadlocked, which means a 11-1, 10-2, 9-3 etc actual jury “poll” would expose and single out those “Not Guilty” jurors to nationwide (and maybe even internationally to) wrath and ridicule from those who thought Casey guilty, they ALL made a deal??
What if the jury became so tight, that they decided that since it only would actually take only ONE juror to make Casey “Not Guilty”, to cover for those one or more who were in the “Not Guilty” camp, the jury made “deal” to ALL vote “Not Guilty” to conceal the vote or votes of the actual “Not Guilty” ones???
IMHO, I consider it a STRONG possibility.
More than 4000 potential jurors were interviewed and excused. I think it is outrageous that nobody wanted to serve on this jury. I think the oourts ought to tighten up their procedures and not be so free with the excuses.
I heard Levin last night.
He actually said that “the strand of hair” was 30 feet from the car in the house. That the state had no case.
I am DISGUSTED by Levin that he didn’t even know the evidence, and goes on national radio to criticize the prosecution of this case. He said he hadn’t followed this case, and just read up on it.
I am convinced that we, as a country, no longer possess critical thinking skills.
Casey’s Car, decomposition in trunk of Casey’s car, Casey’s abandoned car, Casey claiming to be in Tampa, Jacksonville with car, no sightings by ANYONE of Caylee, Casey lies, lies, lies, screaming Grandmother on phone with police of missing grandchild and smell of death in car, duct taped-skeletonized-Caylee found in swampy woods near home. Casey Anthony failing to report child missing.
Gee, I wonder what Casey’s involvment was. extreme sarcasm
To believe that THIS jury could not even find Casey Anthony guilty on a count of child neglect is beyond comprehension.
I’m not saying Wendy Murphy did not say what she said, I’m saying she’s usually “out there” by herself and usually wrong.
Can you imagine the usual suspects in the talking-head crowd falling all over themselves to be the *first* one to interview her. Anything connected to CA from now and into the future will be a circus. Pity the child.
Baez did not argue that a body had NEVER been in the car. His argument was WHEN the body was in the car. In fact at closing he conceded the fact the car may have been used at some time to transport a body.
Neither. They were just a remarkedly uncurious lot. They don't watch the news.; they don't read the newspaper. I'll bet that most of them could tell you about the latest movie star, or whatever piques the interest of the average Joe Blow. I don't live in FL, and I can tell you that I know a lot about this case. You couldn't miss the news coverage any place in this country if you read a newspaper, or watched even 10 minutes of news per day. The jury selection system chose this group by requiring them to know nothing.
Unfortunately, these are the same people who vote for Obama. It's discouraging.
>>To believe that THIS jury could not even find Casey Anthony guilty on a count of child neglect is beyond comprehension.
After looking at the shocked faces of the talking heads and even my neighbors and family members, it seems unlikely that grabbing 12 random folks in the streets would get 12 guilty votes. Is it possible that the 12 weren’t random? Most probable they all voted for Obama.
What you wrote!
Well lets just get rid of evidence and the burden of proof and the 5th amendment. We should also get rid of the jury system. Having a jury system and all these burdens on the state really sucks. We will also repeal the 9th amendment. Those damned amendments are what caused this mess. I say we go to tv trials with no burden on the state to prove anything. I think the defendants should be guilty unless they can prove otherwise. I am with you. Lets get em. we should never have to listen to slick defense lawyers either. Why have our tax money defend these crooks? Firing squads are cheap and we won’t even have to house these enemies of the state.
Right on lets get the damn jury. They probably are too stupid to be allowed to serve. Lets get rid of our outdated Constitution while we are at it. With juries that try to follow it someone might fall through the cracks and it costs way too much for us to have to pay for crooked defense lawyers. Those jurors should be tracked down and hung from the nearest tree. And that damn city of Clearwater. It is their fault too. That is where these people were from. Not only that we had to pay to keep them away from the media. Ridiculous only in the media could we find the truth in this country. The reason they did this to us is they were not allowed to see the media case. It is unencumbered by the damned Constitution. It is much more emotionally fulfilling than the stinking court system. Hell this verdict can not even be appealed by the state. If it were not for the Constitution we could have another trial and get better jurors. Forget those stinking double jeopardy rules. We ought be able to try that Witch until we get smart jurors.
I am with you. We don’t need no stinking evidence. That little girl was found in a Swamp. Who cares how she died. She is dead. All mothers whose kids are found dead in a Swamp should be executed immediately by firing squad or even by letting us Stone them to death. Think how much fun that would be. Besides that look at the cost in tax money when we have to pay for the police work. I like mob rule much better. Who cares if a few innocent people are killed along with those disgusting people. It is a small price to pay.
“so what are the chances that all 12 are complete morally bankrupt idiots”
You misunderstood my post. My point was that they could be EITHER an idiot OR morally bankrupt (voting not guilty to punish the prosecution). Having “OR” as an option instead of “AND” makes an outcome MORE LIKELY, not LESS LIKELY.
“why would THEY come up with this verdict if they didnt believe it?”
I think they did believe it. Therefore, I conclude they are “innumerate”, and have a poor understanding that a chain of unlikely events creates an impossibility. Lack of understanding this is a VERY COMMON fallacy that even otherwise intelligent people succumb to.
It was not my opinion that they were voting guilty to punish the prosecution. That was the opinion of another poster based on an interview with an alternate juror, which I did not see. In my post, I was simply pointing out that both of us could be right. While I believe most of the jurors just couldn’t do the math, maybe she’s right that one or two were just punishing the prosecution. (For what, I’m not sure. Making them miss their family’s 4th of July celebration?) I’m with you I don’t like to believe that, but I was being gracious and conceding the possibility, since I didn’t see the interview that opinion was based on.
That pretty much sums up his TV show too!
(But I’d perhaps listen to what Morris and Gingrich had to say.)