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Poll to Freep: CCW vs Constitutional Carry
jsonline.com ^ | 3 June, 2011 | NA

Posted on 06/03/2011 7:42:31 PM PDT by marktwain

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Wisconsin could become the fifth state with Constitutional Carry, but Walker is going Wobbly.
1 posted on 06/03/2011 7:42:38 PM PDT by marktwain
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20 years ago I would have gone with Constitutional carry; nowadays I’ve seen too many law-abiding folks with no firearms experience get CCW’s; they need training!


2 posted on 06/03/2011 7:54:54 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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“No training requirement” is up 57-43!


3 posted on 06/03/2011 8:04:03 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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The question is not whether the people should get trained or not, the question is whether the government can REQUIRE it without running afoul of the Second Amendment, and whether the government can be trusted with information that could be used as a registry of those exercising their rights. (Hint: No)


4 posted on 06/03/2011 8:06:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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PROCON, whose tagline is "(Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.) said: " ... they need training!"

Perhaps it is not only the Liberals who make that mistake.

5 posted on 06/03/2011 8:07:16 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Still Thinking; William Tell; marktwain
My point was that training is necessary for a well-rounded marksman.

William Tell, I used to train young soldiers with the M-14, M-16 and the .45; the country boys had no problem catching on and excelled in markmanship; the city boy enlistees however had usually never fired a weapon, the Army and I taught them how.

I don't intend to infringe on anyone's 2nd Ammendment rights, I just want somebody who buys a gun to know what the hell their doing with it!

6 posted on 06/03/2011 8:21:24 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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Well, I do agree that training (both in the sense of instruction as well as practice) is vital.


7 posted on 06/03/2011 8:23:55 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Then we agree, Woo-Hoo..:=)

I know anytime, ANYONE suggests any restrictions, 2nd ammendment folks get nervous; I've just seen too many unsafe incidents, with untrained personnel,...OK, now I'll shut-up..:=)

8 posted on 06/03/2011 8:29:26 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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Well, hang on, I’m parsing my words real careful. I support people seeking out training, but I don’t see how it can be REQUIRED, on both 2A grounds and practical terms as well. Is that what you’re saying as well?


9 posted on 06/03/2011 8:36:08 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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but I don’t see how it can be REQUIRED, on both 2A grounds and practical terms as well. Is that what you’re saying as well?

NO state requirement for training, but it should be up to the individual, and here in Oregon, there are many great non-state sponsored training courses which teach the firearm basics and conceal and carry law.

As an aside, even here in a blue state, our state Constitution states that except for Federal buildings, no entity may prohibit licensed CCW holders from entering premises, ie. public schools, airports, etc.

10 posted on 06/03/2011 8:55:46 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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PROCON said: "I just want somebody who buys a gun to know what the hell their doing with it! "

And the legislature of Kalifornia just wants to make sure that people have a good reason to carry a gun. The result is that local law enforcement almost universally refuses to issue concealed carry permits.

Certainly you are not among those who believe that every good thing must be mandated by the government?

I'm all for combining sex education in the schools with gun education. Every child in the U.S. can be expected to know how to handle firearms and what the laws on use of firearms are. As far as free, law-abiding adults go; the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

11 posted on 06/03/2011 9:00:18 PM PDT by William Tell
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Then yes, we are in agreement. As you said, Woo Hoo!


12 posted on 06/03/2011 9:04:44 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Certainly you are not among those who believe that every good thing must be mandated by the government?

No FRiend, I think you're completely misreading me!

As far as free, law-abiding adults go; the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

We agree completely, now wasn't that easy?..:=)

Are you done flaming me?..:=)

13 posted on 06/03/2011 9:06:04 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: Still Thinking; William Tell
:=)

If I could just get W.T. off my back..:=)

14 posted on 06/03/2011 9:08:30 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: PROCON

Training is a good thing. I really learned a lot from what I had, and continue to look up important details about case law regarding self defense shootings.
But it should not be forced by the government.


15 posted on 06/03/2011 9:16:36 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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PROCON said, very quietly: "Are you done flaming me?..:=) "

Yes. Apparently I saw a contradiction where there was none. Sorry.

16 posted on 06/03/2011 9:17:47 PM PDT by William Tell
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Hey Mark!!

It'll be a long time before I respond to another one of your threads...LOL!

17 posted on 06/03/2011 9:20:49 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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Which of the other 10 items in the Bill of Rights require Government training and a permit?


18 posted on 06/03/2011 9:23:37 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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But it should not be forced by the government.

Bu, bu, but, 0bama knows what's best for us..../s

19 posted on 06/03/2011 9:23:49 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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Heh!
Yep.


20 posted on 06/03/2011 9:26:12 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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