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Drug thugs called greatest security threat in the Americas
Miami Herald ^ | 05/07/11 | MIMI WHITEFIELD

Posted on 05/07/2011 9:03:01 AM PDT by AtlasStalled

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To: AtlasStalled

The cartels make tons of money through the smuggling of illegal aliens. The USA needs to crack on that. As for the drugs, Americans can grow their own marijuana.


21 posted on 05/07/2011 10:07:36 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Vaduz
I'm not a fan of drugs. I have supported the Drug War for many years.

I see what is happening in Mexico. I see the growth of power and oppression and corruption within our own government. I have begun to believe that we have been on a path that does not lead to success.

I am not convinced that I have the answer, but my current thought is that if drug use led people to die alone in alleyways, then the demand might diminish. I think much of what we have been doing has jacked up the profitability of illegal drugs, while providing social services that enable people to survive while being owned by others due to their weakness and addiction.

In other words: our current policies make this a great way for vicious thugs to get rich, and a way for fools to very slowly and imperceptibly slip into a shadow realm of a miserable life. I'd like to make the profits much smaller for the suppliers, and the costs much greater for the users.

22 posted on 05/07/2011 10:12:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’d like to make the profits much smaller for the suppliers, and the costs much greater for the users.
It sounds good but I think that is what the drug cartel is waring over sales and not so much of prices.


23 posted on 05/07/2011 10:20:02 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: The Theophilus
I concur. Somewhat of a refinement of the Chi-Com opium eradification program of 1950-1. If one was caught in possession, the user was terminated on the spot and left for the maggots to dispose of!

This type of program would facilitate the winnowing out of bad DNA in the “minority communities”!

24 posted on 05/07/2011 10:48:35 AM PDT by texican01
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To: Vaduz
Legalize all drugs and you have more Mexican cartels representatives.

Garbage. Why don't the cartels simply move in and run the alcohol trade, which is much bigger than the drug trade? Answer: A black market is no match for a well regulated and reasonably taxed market like alcohol.

When you have someone hooked on something you can have them do anything you want,drugs or booze your owned due to your own weakness and others will pay for it.

So do advocate making alcohol illegal?

25 posted on 05/07/2011 11:38:52 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: All

The War of Drug is a load of crap. It cannot be won because most of the US does not have the stomach for what needs to be done. That means securing the border, putting dope dealers of every level in prison for natural life

OR

Legalize everything, put the cartels out of business, and provide safe places for the addicts to go and get their fix, which the taxpayer would foot, but they would not pay for medical attention.

The overdoses deaths will be tremendous but it made public, it might actually sway some people’s decision to partake.

The Fed says they want to fight the war on drugs but they keep raising the threshhold for prosecution.

The WOD cannot be won the way we are doing now...


26 posted on 05/07/2011 12:19:04 PM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: The Theophilus
Make it abundantly clear that regular/professional drug traffickers will be gunned down without due process by our carefully hand-selected trigger happy feral LEOs.

They're already doing that south of the border.

It's turning out well, don't you think?

27 posted on 05/07/2011 12:22:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Under Islam, there is no separation of church and state. The church IS the state.)
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To: Robert357
"When drug use brings shame and forced prison conditions that people fear, then the problem will be controlled."

I agree that the root of the problem is that there is an enormous market in the U.S. that is so lucrative that those wishing to exploit it are willing and financially able to do almost anything.

Although deterrents such as prison are marginally effective, I think an alternative to traditional time, such as work training then doing their time through service might be more effective in that it might provide some with hope of self-reliance they lacked before to some as an alternative to escapism through drugs.

Legalization and sale through large corporations is something I hadn't considered.

The ideal, of course, would be to get a handle on just what it is about our culture that causes so many of us to feel the need to get high in the first place. If that could be understood and addressed on a large scale, causing the "demand" side of the equation to shrink drastically, the "supply" side, and all it's accompanying problems, would disappear with the decline in financial rewards.

Is that any more unrealistic than some of the pie-in-the-sky goofball utopian crap the current White House administration is selling through their MSM propagandists really?

28 posted on 05/07/2011 12:36:55 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: AtlasStalled

Barn. Door


29 posted on 05/07/2011 12:38:06 PM PDT by Flavius (What hopes for victory, Gaius Crastinus? What grounds for encouragement ?)
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To: truthfreedom

The whole aim of the drug scene was to undermine this Nation. It brought China down in the 16th-17th centuries and will do the same here. And ‘’P.C.’’ is right out of Mao’s ‘’little red book’’.


30 posted on 05/07/2011 1:51:47 PM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sara)
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To: AtlasStalled

It isn’t the DEMAND that’s a threat to anything, “General” (of a war you can’t win.)

It’s the fact you have restricted supply and made it profitable to supply the demand.

War on Poverty? Failure.
War on Drugs? Failure.
War on Terror? Failure.

Everytime you fight one of these “Wars” you lose, everything gets worse, and we lose freedom at a high cost in dollars and rights.


31 posted on 05/07/2011 2:46:41 PM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If anything, we should make more substances illegal so the traffickers can expand their markets.

Fast food, soda and candy should be next.

Then we can have a War on Obesity (or War on Junk Food).

I'm all set. I'll stock pile hamburgers and sling 'em on the street corner, yo.

Step on my turf, and i'll shoot you.

Note: To false "moralist" Republicans, we are making fun of you. We understand you don't get it. Or anything at all, it seems.

32 posted on 05/07/2011 2:51:00 PM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Legalizing marijuana the idiot drug?
How about legalizing methedrine, heroin, LSD, cocaine, crack, DMT, Oxycontin, amphetamines, downers etc? America is full of irresponsible, “live for the moment” people who will flock to all of the above


33 posted on 05/07/2011 2:52:26 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Robert357
To some extent we have at time in various places worked hard as a society to put drug users in jail.

We have more people in jail THAN COMMUNIST CHINA.

You are part of the problem.

34 posted on 05/07/2011 2:52:48 PM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: The Theophilus

Thanks, Hitler for your point of view.

You just supported mass murder.


35 posted on 05/07/2011 2:54:49 PM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: texican01
I concur. Somewhat of a refinement of the Chi-Com opium eradification program of 1950-1. If one was caught in possession, the user was terminated on the spot and left for the maggots to dispose of!

This type of program would facilitate the winnowing out of bad DNA in the “minority communities”!

Drug pushers -- Try 'em and fry 'em. Or hang them high!


36 posted on 05/07/2011 2:57:01 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Molon Labbie

The overdoses deaths will be tremendous

Actually, no. They wouldn’t be. Probably less than the murders that happen over illegal drugs now.

Very few “Drugs” have an LD-50 accessible beyond the point of unconsciousness.

Alcohol btw, is one of the worst in this category. You can drink yourself to death.

Legalize everything and NET TOTAL deaths/murders will drop. So will crime.


37 posted on 05/07/2011 2:58:47 PM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: EvasiveManuever

You just supported mass murder———

What exactly is wrong with trying and executing drug pushers? They are killers who push poison. Obviously you don’t think methedrine, heroin, cocaine, crack etc are poisons that often f up peoples minds and bodies permanently and your taxes end up paying for their welfare, medical and disability checks.


38 posted on 05/07/2011 3:02:23 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: dennisw
Of course not.

People cannot be trusted with freedom of any kind. They are too weak-willed and weak-minded.

Government must control all things, because the government is not composed of weak-willed, weak-minded people like you and I.

39 posted on 05/07/2011 3:18:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Under Islam, there is no separation of church and state. The church IS the state.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Your problem is this. The people you know are smart enough and responsible enough not to get hooked on drugs and destroyed by drugs if they were made legal. Libertarianism has a huge blind spot because the mass of people are not so clever and smart as the people you mingle with in your nice middle class existence.
There are tens of millions of Americans who will yield to temptation and take drugs if the are legalized. Think of someone who wants to lose 100 pounds. They get rid of all crappy junk food (like chips and sodas) in their pantries so they are not tempted
This is why you don’t legalize these poisons. Too many people can’t handle them being available.


40 posted on 05/07/2011 4:00:59 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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