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Aging study: Failure to spot lies, sarcasm linked to dementia
CBS ^ | 18 Apr 2011 | David Freeman

Posted on 04/18/2011 10:39:20 PM PDT by smokingfrog

There's still no foolproof way to predict who will develop dementia, but brain scientists say they have identified a new clue:

Cluelessness, as in an inability to tell when people are lying or using sarcasm.

A preliminary new study conducted at the University of California at San Francisco suggests that the neurodegenerative process responsible for dementia also causes deterioration of regions of the brain responsible for detecting insincere speech.

"These patients cannot detect lies," study author Dr. Katherine Rankin, of the university's Memory and Aging Center, said in a written statement. "This fact can help them be diagnosed earlier."

It might also help them hold on to their money, researchers say, as the blind faith resulting from dementia can make older people easy marks for online scams and dishonest telemarketers.

For the study, 175 older volunteers - more than half of whom had Alzheimer's disease, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (Lou Gehrig's disease), or some other neurodegenerative disease - watched videos of two people talking. At some points in the videos, one of the people would tell a lie or use sarcasm.

Healthy volunteers had little trouble spotting yerbal and non-verbal cues that indicated insincerity. Not so the volunteers with neurodegenerative disease.

And clueless may not be the only early sign of dementia, researchers say. Adopting a new political affiliation or religion late in life - changes sometimes attributed to a midlife crisis - may actually be the result of brain deterioration that might lead to dementia.

What's the study's take-away message? Older people should simply assume that everyone they talk to is lying.

Just kidding.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aging; brain; dementia; elderly; heath; psychology
Another potential voting pool for democrats.
1 posted on 04/18/2011 10:39:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

So all liberals will have dimentia?


2 posted on 04/18/2011 10:48:01 PM PDT by Porterville (Methink'st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.)
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To: smokingfrog
Adopting a new political affiliation or religion late in life - changes sometimes attributed to a midlife crisis - may actually be the result of brain deterioration that might lead to dementia.

Oh please! It's more likely they are waking up. I think they are afraid of some 'rats leave the pack in '12.
3 posted on 04/18/2011 10:58:50 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: smokingfrog

This explains the 40% approval rating for the Liar in Chief.


4 posted on 04/18/2011 10:59:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: smokingfrog


5 posted on 04/18/2011 11:03:50 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: smokingfrog

Do you think they’re kidding?


6 posted on 04/18/2011 11:07:37 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: smokingfrog
Older people should simply assume that everyone they talk to is lying.

Yeah. It gets harder when you can't find your glasses and can't tell if their lips are moving.

7 posted on 04/18/2011 11:07:58 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
It sounds plausible to me. But I know there are people without dementia that sarcasm flies right past them. Hence, the often needed use of the sarcasm tag.
8 posted on 04/18/2011 11:12:56 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
Neurodegenerative process.

With the occasional alien hand syndrome things and cluster migraines that only subside when my entire body feels sunburned and my feet go numb... I be rocking and rolling large. Been neurodegenerative for forty years now.

These things are not identifiable, categorized, predicted, prevented or treated. They are realities of human form that simply must be accepted.

There are forms of epilepsy that momentarily present, vanish, and defy any detection method.

I know this to be a fact.. After a dozen cats, dozen mri's, few radial skull x rays... and some rather unpleasant things being stuck down my throat.

9 posted on 04/18/2011 11:13:31 PM PDT by mmercier (my face is numb)
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To: smokingfrog

You just failed my dementia test.


10 posted on 04/18/2011 11:18:42 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: smokingfrog

Bttt.


11 posted on 04/18/2011 11:26:22 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Ruh roh!


12 posted on 04/18/2011 11:26:53 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Jeff Chandler

The public exhibition of dementia is a skill not easily acquired.


13 posted on 04/18/2011 11:31:52 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: Jeff Chandler

The public exhibition of dementia is a skill not easily acquired.


14 posted on 04/18/2011 11:31:52 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: smokingfrog

15 posted on 04/18/2011 11:33:16 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: mmercier

It is?


16 posted on 04/18/2011 11:33:22 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.


17 posted on 04/18/2011 11:36:23 PM PDT by Milhous
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To: Jeff Chandler
?si tI

.dnatsrednu ton od I

18 posted on 04/18/2011 11:42:17 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: Milhous
Sarcasm is necessary to expose hypocrisy.

Those who do not get it are not worth bothering with in any case, but when the get irate.. It helps

19 posted on 04/18/2011 11:46:27 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: smokingfrog
Cluelessness, as in an inability to tell when people are lying or using sarcasm.

This bodes ill for my wife. I'm not worried though, because she was always like that.

20 posted on 04/18/2011 11:51:47 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: smokingfrog

I speak fluent sarcasm. But get this: A friend was diagnosed with dementia. His wife kept saying he was mean, so the Dr. put him on an anti-psychotic. We didn’t see much change, except he kept complaining about being dizzy and stuff. We could not see any signs of dementia.

The guy was always grouchy and sarcastically funny. He started to develop what looked like Parkinson’s sypmtoms. So, the doctor started giving him meds for Parkinson’s and tripled the anti-psychotic. He turned into a zombie that could hardly speak. He ended up in the hospital nearly dieing.

While in the hospital, he didn’t take the drugs for a few days and he got better - until they put him back on the anti-psychotic. By then, we discovered that Parkinson’s symptoms were a side effect of the anti-psychotic. Also, that it was not recommended for dementia patients.

We went with our friend and his wife to one of their Drs. appointments. The wife wanted our friend off the anti-psychotic medication. I was shocked when the Dr. told her he’d return to his sarcastic self. As if there is something wrong with that! I wish he would. He’s finally off the drugs, but isn’t the same man. And, it turns out he doesn’t have dementia. The doctor was wrong.


21 posted on 04/18/2011 11:53:35 PM PDT by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: stansblugrassgrl

How about just leaving us crotchety old bastards to do what we do best. We will burst your overinflated egos, bring your grandiose, but irrational plans into the light of day, show that impetuous youth will trip over itself without some older guidance and generally help you to avoid making complete fools of yourselves. We are the balance, the rationality, the experience and the voice of reason. We are the foundation.


22 posted on 04/19/2011 12:09:42 AM PDT by Cololeo
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To: Cololeo

Totally Dude !

This statement ROCKS !!


23 posted on 04/19/2011 12:14:48 AM PDT by onona (Fullly aware that I may be totally)
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To: Cololeo

Agreed.


24 posted on 04/19/2011 12:16:15 AM PDT by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: smokingfrog
"These patients cannot detect lies,"

This is quite useful to vendors of overpriced pseudo-collectible pseudo-coins.

25 posted on 04/19/2011 12:21:54 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: mmercier
You're making me so irate!

(Note retarding sarcasm.)
26 posted on 04/19/2011 12:22:44 AM PDT by Milhous
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To: onona; stansblugrassgrl

Thank you. The tip jar is on the piano, and I’m here every night...


27 posted on 04/19/2011 1:01:39 AM PDT by Cololeo
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To: Cololeo

Only problem is, dementia is real. I went through this with my parents. You sink through levels. My dad kept up a facade that finally collapsed when he got lost driving to a doctor’s appointment. He did make it back home about six hours later, but this triggered an inexorable series of events, the details of which are not necessary to give. Suffice it to say that in short order it becane apparent that my dad did not know what month it was, or indeed what a month was, or what spring or summer was, and he sank from there. After this you look for any glimmer of communication from the abyss, and these do come, but they are only glimmers. It is impossible to imagine what it must be to be reduced to this state, which indeed is a sort of living death.


28 posted on 04/19/2011 1:20:08 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: smokingfrog

Failure to spot sarcasm and lies leads to a diagnosis of dementia? Could failure to spot these also lead to a diagnosis of stupidity?


29 posted on 04/19/2011 1:58:48 AM PDT by Nucluside (ready)
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To: Nucluside

How do you know when a telemarketer is lying?

When they are on the phone!

(Not that I would trust them in person, either, if anyone were dumb enough to admit they were a telemarketer. :-) )


30 posted on 04/19/2011 2:57:23 AM PDT by cgbg (No bailouts for New York and California. Let them eat debt.)
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To: smokingfrog

I’d be in real trouble in that case. If it weren’t for sarcasm, I wouldn’t be able to communicate.


31 posted on 04/19/2011 3:02:56 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: smokingfrog

It does explain why scam artists consistently target old people—and not just of the political variety.


32 posted on 04/19/2011 4:42:56 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: smokingfrog
there are people without dementia that sarcasm flies right past them

The study shows that these are the very people who will LATER have dementia.

33 posted on 04/19/2011 5:56:09 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Our Constitution: the new Inconvenient Truth)
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To: smokingfrog

Obama can go into dementia prediction when he is retired.


34 posted on 04/19/2011 5:57:46 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Our Constitution: the new Inconvenient Truth)
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To: smokingfrog
There's still no foolproof way to predict who will develop dementia, but brain scientists say they have identified a new clue:

Cluelessness, as in an inability to tell when people are lying or using sarcasm.

THIS IS SERIOUS! The fact that Chairman O's approval is even double digit is evidence that dementia (e.g., cluelessness) is an epidemic in this country.

35 posted on 04/19/2011 6:03:07 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Nucluside
“Could failure to spot these also lead to a diagnosis of stupidity?”

Or the election of Barack Obama?

36 posted on 04/19/2011 6:04:01 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Yes We Can, have smaller government)
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To: smokingfrog; RightField

paranoia-because-it-might-be-genetic ping


37 posted on 04/19/2011 6:07:11 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: smokingfrog
Another potential voting pool for democrats.

Wonder how many votes for the Democrats the SEIU drones were able to deliver from the nursing homes.....

38 posted on 04/19/2011 6:08:01 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: smokingfrog

LOL!!! Dementia should be rare among FReepers....


39 posted on 04/19/2011 10:34:25 AM PDT by TXnMA (America's most Orwellian oxymoronic acronym: "DOJ"...)
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bttt


40 posted on 04/19/2011 5:28:15 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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