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Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes (& Republican Enzi-WY also!)
Cnet ^ | 4/12/11 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 04/12/2011 12:55:13 PM PDT by GreaterSwiss

Update 10:30 a.m. PT: I've heard back from Sen. Mike Enzi's office. It sent me e-mail this morning saying: "Senator Enzi plans to co-sponsor the Main Street Fairness bill with Senator Durbin. As far as a timeline or drafts, you'll have to check with Senator Durbin's office."

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20052999-281.html#ixzz1JL8wTRdz A Democratic senator is preparing to introduce legislation that aims to end the golden era of tax-free Internet shopping.

The proposal--expected to be made public soon after Tax Day--would rewrite the ground rules for Internet and mail order sales by eliminating the ability of Americans to shop at Web sites like Amazon.com and Overstock.com without paying state sales taxes.

Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second most senior Senate Democrat, will introduce the bill after the Easter recess, a Democratic aide told CNET.

"Why should out-of-state companies that sell their products online have an unfair advantage over Main Street bricks-and-mortar businesses?" Durbin said in a speech in Collinsville, Ill., in February. "Out-of-state companies that aren't paying their fair share of taxes are sticking Illinois residents and businesses with the tab."

At the moment, Americans who shop over the Internet from out-of-state vendors aren't always required to pay sales taxes at the time of purchase. Californians buying books from Amazon.com or cameras from Manhattan's B&H Photo, for example, won't pay the sales taxes at checkout time that they would if shopping at a local mall--which is what Durbin means by giving online retailers an "unfair advantage."

On the other hand, there are some 7,500 different taxing jurisdictions in the United States, each with a set of very precise rules describing what can and can't be taxed and at what rate. That makes it challenging terrain for retailers to navigate.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; US: California; US: Illinois; US: New York
KEYWORDS: california; illinois; newyork; taxes; theft
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To: redgolum

How so?? When someone shops online, they are paying MORE for shipping than they would for sales tax. Stock the items people want to buy and local stores will have no problem.


51 posted on 04/12/2011 3:52:19 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Politicians finding a way to eat the golden goose. Discouraging internet sales is not the same thing as encouraging brick & mortar sales. What it WILL do is damage internet commerce, further grow the barter system, and slow the recovery because people stop spending.


52 posted on 04/12/2011 3:52:29 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: dervish

Just wish these taxing politicians would get out of our life already. Hope it hurts the poor and minorities. They vote for these pigs.


53 posted on 04/12/2011 3:52:57 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Voting for the crazy conservative gave us Ronald Reagan....Ann Coulter)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Ditto what you said!


54 posted on 04/12/2011 3:54:17 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Excellent idea from 5thGenTexan — eliminate income taxes, and implement sales taxes in their place.

Not taxing internet sales hurts local businesses, but there are plenty of people who think that’s a good thing, while at the same time pissing and moaning about “new world order”, “crony capitalism”, the Jews, and other incoherent paranoid crap.


55 posted on 04/12/2011 3:54:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Perdogg

If you order from a company that has brick and morter in every state, such as JCPenney, Target, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, K-Mart, Sears and others, you pay sales tax to your state AND you PAY SALES TAX ON YOUR SHIPPING & HANDLING in the majority of states. Illinois I know is an exception to that rule as of this time. Illinois’s sales tax for the entire state is 6.25%. Where I am at in Michigan is 6% and I have to pay the sales tax on the shipping.

If there is a sales tax charged on the item, some states do not have sales tax (Oregon, Delaware), then you also pay sales tax on the Shipping & Handling, unless the state law says otherwise. There are very few states in which this is the case.


56 posted on 04/12/2011 3:58:37 PM PDT by Eric Roelfsema
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To: ladyvet

I sympathize ladyvet, same here.


57 posted on 04/12/2011 4:02:12 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: redgolum; All

So?? Why should there be fairness??


58 posted on 04/12/2011 4:44:41 PM PDT by KevinDavis (3rd Parties are for losers.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

By the time this is all over, online shoppers will pay tax in every state between the seller’s and the buyer’s location, plus a federal tax too.


59 posted on 04/12/2011 5:28:46 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: GreaterSwiss
Hell, send in the Speaker of the House, he will bargain away the taxes on the Internet. Maybe this time Behoener will get a great big fat kiss after this sexual encounter, instead of being told to put some “ice on that” from Reid and obumbum like after the last bargaining agreement encounter!
60 posted on 04/12/2011 5:45:50 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: Tzimisce

April 18th this year? I believe.


61 posted on 04/12/2011 5:47:07 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: GreaterSwiss
Since when does the Senate create tax law? This has to originate in the house. Do you think they will get 218 votes for this? They would need 40 Republicans to side with the Rats. It would be the end of their careers, starting with Boehner for bringing it up for a vote.
62 posted on 04/12/2011 5:58:15 PM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: 5thGenTexan

BWAHAHAHA! Never!


63 posted on 04/12/2011 6:12:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Spktyr
Friend, there are many here who scream about tax breaks to various industries. Not having a sales tax on the internet is a big tax break.

And I shop a lot online for the same reason. It is easier to get what I want than hoping a local vendor has it. But in the end, the tax free set up won't last. To much money rolling around.

64 posted on 04/12/2011 6:33:36 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: conservativebuckeye

With physical stores, they have shipping costs x 1. With the internet, they have shipping costs x2 (product shipped to internet merchant, then to customer)


65 posted on 04/12/2011 6:39:05 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: GreaterSwiss

congress needs to mandate that a Breath Meter be worn by every citizen in the USA so that a fair consumption tax can be levied upon the amount of its air that is breathed in


66 posted on 04/12/2011 6:57:04 PM PDT by KTM rider ( patriot turned rebel)
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To: GreaterSwiss

I am not the least bit worried. This is going nowhere. But what we need is to suck Obama into this and use that against him in 2012.


67 posted on 04/12/2011 7:04:31 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: GreaterSwiss
In My Honest Opinion this is not going to help main street much, because most of what I buy over the Internet is not available in my local main street stores

or most of the time the price over the Internet is a whole lot d%&n cheaper then main street

, if the main street business wants to stay in business they better lower their profit margin and start thinking about moving more stock. I'm not into phony bull S#%t 50%off sales that has been jacked up to double the price, or buy 2 get one free stuff that has been jack up in price, or send in this or that rebate for stuff that has been jack up in price, I don't have time to send in for those rebates. Every body knows they double or triple these prices before offering these deals, and the irony is they are still too d$%n expense then online stuff.

Case in point is the brick and mortar book stores, take Borders and a bunch of the other brick and mortar book store, they stick there own bar code stickers over the bar code because they don't want people with there fancy cell phone taking pictures of the original bar code, using their fancy aps and finding out they can buy the book new through Amazon through a third party cheaper then they can at the store and a lot of times for half the price or more then the book store wants.

My gut feeling is that once people realized the couldn't scan the original bar code they stopped shopping at Borders and started shopping at other book stores that didn't hide the original bar code, my gut feeling is that is a major reason while borders had to file bankruptcy recently, and had to shut down a bunch of their stores. I sell used books on line, and I scout for them with a scanner so I kind of know what is going on. Another little secret is you can peal those Border stickers off pretty easily and put them back in place pretty easily, not that I shop at borders, but I've got to pull them off at garage sales and thrift stores when I scouting for resellable books, I end up doing it alot for their former books, even some thrift stores have gotten into putting their stickers over the bar codes because their prices are too high, irony a thrift store doing that.

The only bitch I've got through buying off the Internet is most of the stuff gets shipped out of the Ware Houses in those commie liberal socialist States like Californian or New Jersey, I do occasional look for stuff on the Internet from the Red States, takes a little bit more time but it is well worth it to me.

Ok I've done my ranting and raveing at least once today on FR, I feel like I can go to bed now, I'm tired also.

68 posted on 04/12/2011 7:52:48 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite ( post 1 of 3 I'm only allowing my self each day)
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To: GreaterSwiss

I woulda thought that a senator from the least populous state in the country would be all for free internet sales, since Wyoming doesn’t have the population density to support many brick-n-mortar stores.


69 posted on 04/12/2011 8:33:12 PM PDT by TheRealDBear
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To: GreaterSwiss

By all means lets have yet another tax.

Durbin and the other idiots don’t give a rat’s a** about fairness that’s only a sound bite for the masses. A class warfare play adapted to this issue.

This is all about the federal government getting their hands on sales tax money through a central authority.

This is the foot in the door to a national sales tax and a vat tax.


70 posted on 04/12/2011 10:39:38 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: GreaterSwiss; SunkenCiv
The alternative to no tax is 50 state taxes and multiple local taxes, which will make overhead unreasonable for online sales? If I have a company in NYC and sell to a customer California, which sale's tax do I charge? That of NY State and NYC, Californias, both? If it is to be based on the loication of the buyer, there is no way small companies can comply without losing a lot of money.

There only logical outcome is one of two methods of determining sales taxes :
1) A national sales tax
2) Basing sales tax on the location of the seller.
71 posted on 04/12/2011 10:58:11 PM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: GreaterSwiss
In my opinion, it's a terrible idea for one reason: over 40,000 sales tax jurisdictions for the USA. As such, the highly complex process of trying to remit the sales tax revenue to the right jurisdiction will end costing more than the money generated by the sales tax.

If each state and US territory had a single sales tax rate, then the idea could actually work; but with 40,000-plus different rates, it becomes a logistical nightmare.

72 posted on 04/13/2011 4:37:55 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: GreaterSwiss
"Why should out-of-state companies that sell their products online have an unfair advantage over Main Street bricks-and-mortar businesses?" Durbin said in a speech in Collinsville, Ill., in February. "Out-of-state companies that aren't paying their fair share of taxes are sticking Illinois residents and businesses with the tab."

To eliminate the "unfair" advantage, Dickiepoo, perhaps the solution would be to eliminate sales taxes on Main Street "bricks-and-mortar" businesses. Two wrongs don't make a right, and adding a tax isn't a solution to unfair taxation.

73 posted on 04/13/2011 4:50:05 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

“Main Street Fairness bill “

Already, it stinks out loud.


74 posted on 04/13/2011 5:49:39 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: ScottinVA

Governments simply want to tax EVERYTHING;it is in their nature.Which is why we must return to a limited government .


75 posted on 04/13/2011 6:34:23 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: GreaterSwiss; All

While I am against the feds pushing such a bill, most states now require this already.

I can’t go to Amazon.com and not pay taxes anymore.


76 posted on 04/13/2011 6:46:10 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: dalereed

Plenty of products you can only get online, and the convenience factor will outweigh the tax issue.

I still buy plenty despite having to pay tax.

Besides, if you get enough, sites like Amazon.com will even give you free shipping, making you only pay for the tax.


77 posted on 04/13/2011 6:49:21 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Poison Pill

Then they should enforce it.

I and 99 percent of other Americans have not heard of such a tax.


78 posted on 04/13/2011 6:51:56 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: SunkenCiv
Not taxing internet sales hurts local businesses, but there are plenty of people who think that’s a good thing, while at the same time pissing and moaning about “new world order”, “crony capitalism”, the Jews, and other incoherent paranoid crap.

Wait a minute. Let's think about what those local sales taxes are SUPPOSED to do - pay for fire, police, roads and other infrastructure that the brick and mortar store and its customers utilize. The out-of-state internet vendor uses none of those services, and the customers don't use them to make their purchases. So why should taxes be collected on those sales by a state that is providing no services associated with that sale?

79 posted on 04/13/2011 7:22:14 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: dalereed

Yep. The main reason I buy online is that even with shipping it’s often cheaper then going out and buying local.


80 posted on 04/13/2011 7:30:34 AM PDT by whershey
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

When you buy at a brick and mortar store you are paying for the gas and/or transport it took to get you to the store and back home with the item you purchased, in other words, shipping fees.


81 posted on 04/13/2011 7:40:50 AM PDT by Borges
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To: GreaterSwiss

The Fallacy of this whole bill is that people are purchasing online SOLELY because they don’t have to pay sales tax. That is just blatantly false.

Even if Sales taxes are enforced (and most large retailers charge them online now), the fact is - people buy online because:
1. IT IS CHEAPER
2. THEY CAN GET EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.

In that regard this bill will do NOTHING, ZIP, NADA, etc etc for ‘MAIN STREET brick and Mortar stores”.


82 posted on 04/13/2011 7:59:49 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Perdogg
Here in VA we have to report our purchases on the internet and include the cost of shipping if the term “shipping and handling” is included on the invoice.

Same here. I imagine all states with a state income tax have this line on their tax forms.

These idiots don't realize that the consumer pays the tax, not the internet business. (Theoretically)
83 posted on 04/13/2011 8:25:41 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: redgolum
It puts the local store at a disadvantage.

Every "local store" in America sells on the Internet. This "protecting main street" BS is being done to squeeze more dollars out of people and for no other reason.

84 posted on 04/13/2011 8:34:58 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Rage all you want, looters & moochers, but the gods of the copybook headings are your masters now.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Why is this creature my senator?


85 posted on 04/13/2011 8:56:59 AM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Blackhawks!!! Go Bulls!!! Go White Sox!!!)
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To: GreaterSwiss; BillyBoy; Impy; fieldmarshaldj
Turbin Durbin Ping!!!

Do we have a legit candidate to face this bastard? The last few times he's been up we have had nobodies face him. That would be due to the F'ing combine.

I know Kirk was not our choice, however, I like DJ's idea about Congressman Peter Roskam. I am sick to death of the same old has beens like Jim Edgar, Jim Ryan, Judy Baar, ect... The combine RINOs have utterly destroyed this state.

I wouldn't mind Bill Brady making a run he should have name recognition by now. We just need to expose how insanely radical Turbin Durbin is and that he has done absolutely NOTHING for Illinois.

86 posted on 04/13/2011 9:01:44 AM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Blackhawks!!! Go Bulls!!! Go White Sox!!!)
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To: rwfromkansas
I and 99 percent of other Americans have not heard of such a tax.

You didn't know that your state has a sales tax?

87 posted on 04/13/2011 9:01:53 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: rockrr

Just a stealth version of a national sales tax


88 posted on 04/13/2011 9:05:21 AM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: yup2394871293

I agree but under a different label so that they can still pursue the NST separately.


89 posted on 04/13/2011 9:18:30 AM PDT by rockrr ("Remember PATCO!")
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To: GreaterSwiss
""Why should out-of-state companies that sell their products online have an unfair advantage over Main Street bricks-and-mortar businesses?"

It's called the free market idiot!

90 posted on 04/13/2011 9:20:29 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (“Too often, Republicans have the fighting instinct of sheep"...RUN SARAH RUN!!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I think Mr Enzi has to be taken to the woodshed and given a lecture about the facts of life... He is normally a pretty good guy...


91 posted on 04/13/2011 10:10:11 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Poison Pill

Uh, yes. Not a “use” tax on Internet purchases though we are supposed to report to the state.


92 posted on 04/13/2011 10:17:36 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: GreaterSwiss

T. E. A. !!!!!!


93 posted on 04/13/2011 11:12:33 AM PDT by Postman
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To: rwfromkansas
Uh, yes. Not a “use” tax on Internet purchases though

So, now you know. Will you start paying the tax now?

94 posted on 04/13/2011 11:45:15 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: savedbygrace

“Speaker Boehner better step up ASAP and cut this off at the knees. Nip it in the bud.”

Nah. He’ll just accept a smaller tax than the one No Nickname Needed Durbin wants, and then brag about how he cut taxes.


95 posted on 04/13/2011 12:34:00 PM PDT by RIRed
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To: Poison Pill

No, since I already have to pay sales tax on purchases in my state. Otherwise, I probably would since it was the right thing to do.


96 posted on 04/13/2011 1:19:29 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: redgolum

Not really. What’s to stop ‘local’ businesses from selling on the Internet and taking advantage of this ‘tax break’?

Answer: Nothing.


97 posted on 04/13/2011 3:57:22 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: commish

You forgot one:

3. THEY DON’T HAVE TO WASTE HOURS AND GALLONS OF GAS DRIVING AROUND IN AN ATTEMPT TO FIND THE GOODS THEY WANT, BUT CAN HAVE THEM DELIVERED INSTEAD.


98 posted on 04/13/2011 3:59:00 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

These bas*ards are unreal. Durbin wants to tax garage sales also.

I will tell you this, if I must pay taxes for online purchases, I’ll stop buying online, plain and simple.

What the he*l is with this Enzi?


99 posted on 04/13/2011 3:59:54 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Worst president in my lifetime by far..... Hoping for -24 today.)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
These guys qualify as scum.

That's an insult to scum.

100 posted on 04/13/2011 5:46:57 PM PDT by reg45
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