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Santee (CA) Mayor Explains City's 'F for Freedom' Tobacco Grade
SanteePatch ^ | April 2, 2011 | Randy Voepel

Posted on 04/02/2011 10:33:28 PM PDT by libertarian27

The American Lung Assoc. gives Santee a failing grade for tobacco control, the Mayor responds.

I am writing in response to the American Lung Association's (ALA) March 4 letter (see the letter in the media box) regarding Santee's overall grade of "F" in their annual State of Tobacco Control Report Card.

They may see it as a grade of "F" from their perspective, as our being graded a failure; I see this grade of "F" from our perspective as being the highest grade for "FREEDOM" we could earn. In Santee we believe in life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Our City Council thinks long and hard before we restrict or take away one's freedom. If a smoker wants to blast their lungs out on cigarettes, that's their choice. If someone wants to light up in a park or public are, that's fine, if someone else complains, I expect the smoker to move away or put the thing out. We do allow smoking in public places, restaurants have the freedom to pick or choose having patio smoking, their FREEDOM of choice.

Youths that buy tobacco products are in violation of current law (Santee enforces tobacco and booze laws aggressively, Shoulder Tap program, etc.). We enforce the laws now and don't need a new tax on merchants to extort money from them, that's why we don't raise taxes in Santee, especially sales tax.

Multi-unit housing is private property. The property owners have the FREEDOM to set the smoking policy as they see fit. If renters don't like the policy, they move out or not rent in the first place. If it would give an owner competitive advantage, maybe they would have no-smoking units. The ALA is asking me to endorse having 75 percent of rental units as non-smoking by law. I would never pass a law either way! My bottom line in we don't need municipal government to play Nanny.

Freedom of choice means a lot to Santee. If a smoker is rude or uncaring, I expect the person taking offense, to communicate with the rude one, and the rude one to once again move on or put it out. You may have all the laws in the world; ultimately it boils down to human interaction.

It would be very easy for me as mayor to be politically correct (most are) at worse or ignore ALA at best- not my style though. The above reasons are why I take great pride in our "F" for FREEDOM score. I have the FREEDOM to disagree with them. Unless I am voted out of office, or the majority of the Santee City Council votes to take away another dwindling FREEDOM by cracking down on smokers, I will always stand tall for less government intrusion in our lives.

Respectfully submitted,

Randy Voepel

Mayor, The Freedom loving City of Santee

See the ALS letter this is in response to in the media box.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: california; lping; nanny; pufflist; santee; teaparty; tobacco
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To: gwilhelm56

Don’t worry about Drango. He is the biggest smoke nazi on FR. F him.


21 posted on 04/03/2011 9:30:17 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: ohioman

What happen ohioman? Get out of your NAMBLA meeting early and decide use my name without pinging me? I’m proud be be called a nazi by those who pimp death.


22 posted on 04/03/2011 10:38:49 AM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; libertarian27; SheLion
F the ALA.

SheLion had a great animated gif about the ALA. American Liars Association. She had sharp claws, and sometimes a sharper tongue, but she sure came up with some great stuff. I sure miss her. Same with Max McGarrity. Contrary to the wishes of many of the nanny state lovers around here, neither passed from lung cancer or anything else "smoking" related.

23 posted on 04/03/2011 10:55:13 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Drango; ohioman

NAMBLA meeting? A FREEPER at a NAMBLA MEETING??? What is that, Drango, some kind of projection?!?


24 posted on 04/03/2011 12:14:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Follow me on Twitter @mpetrie98)
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To: Drango

I wasn’t aware that siding with freedom and not nanny-state leftism equates one with NAMBLA and pimping death. I’m an ex-smoker myself but that’s my decision and not the Government’s. Take your whining elsewhere.


25 posted on 04/03/2011 4:45:55 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Good call my friend. That dude would make smoking illegal if he could.


26 posted on 04/03/2011 4:47:22 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: AnalogReigns

Nazis were ahead of their time in some areas.


27 posted on 04/03/2011 5:28:36 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama will be president until Fri, Jan 20, 2017.)
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To: gwilhelm56

>It never ceases to amaze me..

Think you’d have learnt by now ;>


28 posted on 04/04/2011 12:23:22 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: libertarian27; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

>>restaurants have the freedom to pick or choose having patio smoking

Here in MA, most towns have outlawed puffin’ on the patio, in addition to the indoor ban.

And now, the MassHospAss says they will test all employees for nicotine, even if said individual abstains at works and indulges off site on his own alleged time.

“Smokers are not a protected class” said the head of the MassCommagaintDiscrimination when asked about this new rule.

Land of the WHAT?? you were saying.


29 posted on 04/04/2011 12:27:57 PM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: swarthyguy
Land of the WHAT?? you were saying.

Land of the FEE - Home of the SHAMED

You need to really kick the shame aspect up a notch when inflicting fees and regulations on the populous....
smoking, seatbelts, helmets, transfats, sugar....
applied guilt, fear and shame does wonders for the pocketbooks of our overloards.

Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness ....
(Guilt, Fear and the pursuit of Shame)

30 posted on 04/04/2011 1:04:00 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: libertarian27

Hear, hear! Go get ‘em your honor.


31 posted on 04/04/2011 1:16:45 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: libertarian27

Actually, I’m with the WOsD’ers on this one. The real “fiddling with the masses” came with the drug war. Tobacco is just the next stepping stone to total control.


32 posted on 04/04/2011 1:31:17 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Drango

“Not much freedom in being a slave to cigarettes.”

Have fun when the Homosexual activists use the tools you sharpened for leftist activists groups against you. Not much freedom in being a slave to Christianity......Better not allow homeschooling (indoctrination).

Yada yada....and yes it is already happening in supposed free nations.

However, I don’t expect you to get the connection that freedom lost for some is freedom lost for all.


33 posted on 04/04/2011 1:40:35 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: swarthyguy

**It never ceases to amaze me..
Think you’d have learnt by now ;**

Never ceases to amaze, but the real problem is ... it does not Surprise me!


34 posted on 04/04/2011 2:39:01 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (To anger a Christian, Lie to them. To anger a muslim, tell them the TRUTH!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Drango; CSM; Gabz

Derangeo mentions NAMBLA but fails to point out the corollary that whereas NAMBLA is afforded the right of assembly, smokers are not.

Now its not just bans but total eradication of smoking with smokers relegated to 4thClass citizens, derided, discriminated against and taxed excessively.

But still the NinnyNannyNazis don’t stop; Drango, Bloomputz, millions of others.


35 posted on 04/06/2011 11:16:51 AM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: libertarian27

ProChoice but not for tabak,

Tolerance but not for smokers,

Transgendered rights but no smokers please.

All this for a population in the USA that may still be at something around 40-50 million overtaxed individuals.

INSHALLAH. Our tobacco policies are more sharia compliant than those of the Gulf Sheikdoms!


36 posted on 04/06/2011 11:19:49 AM PDT by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: swarthyguy; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Drango; CSM; ohioman; libertarian27
Derangeo mentions NAMBLA but fails to point out the corollary that whereas NAMBLA is afforded the right of assembly, smokers are not.

Folks like Drango will tell you that you are wrong because smokers are free to assemble just like NAMBLA, they are just not free to smoke, just like members of NAMBLA are not free to engage in whatever they engage in because it is illegal to do so.

IOW, Drango equates smokers with members of NAMBLA. Something that is so disgusting it is beyond words.

What the Drangos of the world forget is that which they wish the government to forbid proves they acknowledge the government can mandate something someone else wishes.

Drango supports gay marriage, abortion, gun control, Obamacare, and every other Big Brother government proposal that comes down the pike.

37 posted on 04/06/2011 1:29:14 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz; Drango
Drango supports gay marriage, abortion, gun control, Obamacare, and every other Big Brother government proposal that comes down the pike.

Not that I like Drango very much, but do you have links or some other proof supporting your contention?

38 posted on 04/06/2011 4:30:30 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Follow me on Twitter @mpetrie98)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Drango
Not that I like Drango very much, but do you have links or some other proof supporting your contention?

Nope.

My contention is based upon the fact Drango supports government control of the private property of others when it suits his/her preferences.

39 posted on 04/06/2011 5:09:10 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz
My contention is based upon the fact Drango supports government control of the private property of others when it suits his/her preferences.

Drano is a Picker & Chooser

He picks him - and chooses you.......

40 posted on 04/06/2011 8:39:25 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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