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The new face of war: A female general commands the U.S. air campaign
Foreign Policy ^ | 22 Mar 2011 | Thomas E. Ricks

Posted on 03/24/2011 8:55:36 AM PDT by Palter

This is the general overseeing the American part of the air campaign in Libya. Air Force Maj. Gen. Margaret Woodward, commander of the 17th Air Force, based in Germany, seems to be an expert in refueling and mobility, which is probably why she was picked for Africa Command, whose planners likely expected the command mainly to be doing humanitarian relief missions.

Instead she is overseeing airstrikes by B-2 bombers, F-15E fighter/bombers, and F-16 CJ jammers.

To my knowledge, this is the first time a woman has ever overseen an air campaign.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airforce; feminism; libya; military
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1 posted on 03/24/2011 8:55:39 AM PDT by Palter
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To: Palter

Swell...


2 posted on 03/24/2011 8:58:54 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Oops! We just lost that kinetic action, lol.


3 posted on 03/24/2011 9:01:55 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

The new face of Kinetic action: A female general commands the U.S. air campaign

There, fixed it. Guss source did not get memo.


4 posted on 03/24/2011 9:03:38 AM PDT by edcoil (Rule One: Fear No Man)
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To: edcoil

My gosh, I entered the Army in 85 and would now be an 05 if I had stayed in.

This lady is a LEUTENANT GENERAL! Talk about career path promotion.

She’s 50 and a three star?

That’s got to be a record.

Unreal.


5 posted on 03/24/2011 9:05:49 AM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz (HALLELUJAH)
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To: Palter

No doubt foreign policy mag (CFR) is all for this. Apparently Kissinger who is CFR isn’t thugh. So maybe CFR isn’t as monolithic as we usually assume


6 posted on 03/24/2011 9:06:52 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Palter

That should put the fear of God in those swine!


7 posted on 03/24/2011 9:07:46 AM PDT by ABN 505
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

“That’s got to be a record.”

Just like when you get on the trolley car: Tokens are required.


8 posted on 03/24/2011 9:08:16 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
So maybe CFR isn’t as monolithic as we usually assume

They have some minor disagreements as to the best way to destroy the West. Tactical, not strategical debates.

9 posted on 03/24/2011 9:09:25 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Palter

She’s not bad looking! Is she married?


10 posted on 03/24/2011 9:10:07 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Palter

Not guilty.


11 posted on 03/24/2011 9:12:10 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Palter

so this entire no-fly BS was just an excuse to give combate points to PC military policies?

It seems right up there with the medal for courageous do nothing.


12 posted on 03/24/2011 9:12:34 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

Affirmative action knows no bounds!


13 posted on 03/24/2011 9:13:00 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz
She's not a Lieutenant General, she's a Major General.
14 posted on 03/24/2011 9:16:55 AM PDT by An American in Turkiye
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To: Jack Hydrazine

You beat me to it. An affirmative action General, leading thee troops under an affirmative action Commander in Chief.

Her specialty is refueling. His specialty is Communist agitation and winning elections by pulling the rug out from under the opposition with the help of crooked judges and the Chicago Mafia.

Wonderful. God bless our troops. And—get them out of there!


15 posted on 03/24/2011 9:17:06 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Palter

Women wage war compassionately.


16 posted on 03/24/2011 9:18:12 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: An American in Turkiye

the very model of a modern major general...


17 posted on 03/24/2011 9:20:16 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: triumphant values

Oh, that’s funny! True, horrible but funny!


18 posted on 03/24/2011 9:20:58 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: rahbert

I was going crazy trying to think of that G&S song! Good for you.


19 posted on 03/24/2011 9:22:02 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: HIDEK6

Not guilty, above 10,000 foot ceiling.


20 posted on 03/24/2011 9:23:44 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: Cicero

All were going to end up do is allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to flourish in Libya when Moammar is beaten enough.

Makes me wonder if Obama is a deep cover agent for the Brotherhoood.


21 posted on 03/24/2011 9:25:45 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Cicero; Jack Hydrazine
You beat me to it. An affirmative action General, leading thee troops under an affirmative action Commander in Chief.

So what you're saying is that a woman has never, can never, and will never reach general rank in any armed service on her own merit? That every single instance is and alway will be because of affirmative action?

22 posted on 03/24/2011 9:25:45 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: Palter

No disrespect to the General...I certainly have no military career to compare to hers. But she does look awfully young to be a three-star General. Don’t blame her but the people doing the promoting.


23 posted on 03/24/2011 9:26:17 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Palter

Read her bio-she ain’t no slouch.


24 posted on 03/24/2011 9:28:51 AM PDT by taillightchaser (The last hope for America--2012)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
But she does look awfully young to be a three-star General.

Read her bio and it says she's a frocked two-star. That's military speak for acting major general.

25 posted on 03/24/2011 9:29:52 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: Palter

“And, let’s face it, if the mothers ruled the war, there would be no (expletive) wars in the first place”

Sally Field


26 posted on 03/24/2011 9:32:16 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: Palter

Margaret’s air campaign in Libya?

Nothing surprises me anymore...


27 posted on 03/24/2011 9:32:28 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: K-Stater
So what you're saying is that a woman has never, can never, and will never reach general rank in any armed service on her own merit?

I would say a sane, conservative society wouldn't allow women in the military at all except in extremely limited service areas such as medical care. But then again, I don't consider conservatism to just be the acceptance of what was liberalism 40 years ago.

28 posted on 03/24/2011 9:32:45 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Agree the General Woodward is a command pilot with more than 3,800 hours in the C-40, KC-135, C-37, T-38 and T-37.
Not sure if she has the skills to take on such a big event.


29 posted on 03/24/2011 9:34:29 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: K-Stater

Only exceptional women can make it to the top on their own merits in this aspect of a man’s world - the world of making war. It is possible that she is one of those very exceptional women who did so, but the odds of that in the very politically correct, new feminized military, are very low.

The military has had to lower its standards across the board in order to be able to make itself look good to the Leftists who are running the country.


30 posted on 03/24/2011 9:34:38 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Palter

A FAIP, Protocol Officer and AFSLMO Alum...ugh.


31 posted on 03/24/2011 9:36:45 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (My dream thread: Mormon cop shoots Catholic Freeper's Pit Bull and takes his Macbook Pro.)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz
My gosh, I entered the Army in 85 and would now be an 05 if I had stayed in.

You'd easily be an O6....

32 posted on 03/24/2011 9:38:35 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (My dream thread: Mormon cop shoots Catholic Freeper's Pit Bull and takes his Macbook Pro.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Only exceptional women can make it to the top on their own merits in this aspect of a man’s world - the world of making war. It is possible that she is one of those very exceptional women who did so, but the odds of that in the very politically correct, new feminized military, are very low.

And you were able to tell that just by looking at her picture. How very perceptive of you.

33 posted on 03/24/2011 9:39:03 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: An American in Turkiye; panzerkamphwageneinz

A Frocked Maj Gen at that...


34 posted on 03/24/2011 9:39:36 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (My dream thread: Mormon cop shoots Catholic Freeper's Pit Bull and takes his Macbook Pro.)
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To: K-Stater
So what you're saying is that a woman has never, can never, and will never reach general rank in any armed service on her own merit? That every single instance is and alway will be because of affirmative action?

Not my comment, but sounds about right to me. Automatic laugher, sorry. And empirically, the fruits of the process that has produced our female general officers to date—can you say Janis Karpinski?—appear to bear out that summation.

35 posted on 03/24/2011 9:39:42 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: K-Stater

No, I’m saying that they are desperate to promote women to high rank.

This woman may be perfectly competent. But the odds suggest that she’d maybe be a colonel still if she were a man. Also, that it’s extremely unusual to put a refueling specialist in charge of a military mission like this.

I’d say the same thing if they put a male general in charge who had worked his way up in Supply. Supply is vital, but it doesn’t prepare someone to lead in battle.

We’ve seen what happens when they are desperate to have woman pilots. The result has been that a higher than average number of women pilots have crashed their planes or had other problems. Not that a woman couldn’t be a competent pilot, but that some were promoted beyond their capabilities simply for affirmative action reasons.


36 posted on 03/24/2011 9:40:15 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: K-Stater

I didn’t make that assessment by looking at her photo. It’s based upon reality of how men and women are designed. Women as a whole accel in areas of life that men do poorly and vice versa.

Most women are not, repeat not, interested in war. Only a small percentage are interested and the ones who are only a small percentage will accel at it.

When female soldiers are sent to area of combat operations are taking place a good percentage will get knocked up just so they can be sent back State-side because they have no desire to fight like men do.


37 posted on 03/24/2011 9:44:31 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: K-Stater
The question is: The military has the charter to kill the enemy and break their things, so how does a female in the military improve on that? Gays and females allowed to serve is a leftist idea to degrade our forces.
38 posted on 03/24/2011 9:46:51 AM PDT by JayAr36 (Education is what we had before educators. Mark Steyn)
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To: Mr.Unique

Time was that First Assignment Instructor Pilot (FAIP) would be hard to overcome. Assignments in OSD and Colonel Assignments helped a great deal, I’m sure. Times change and there’s nothing wrong with that. In her current position I doubt she’s selecting the targets. This air campaign appears to be pretty similar to what my old HQ AF office (Checkmate) created for Desert Storm...until the Chairman asked CSAF to disband and let Joint run things.


39 posted on 03/24/2011 9:48:54 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: US Navy Vet

PC, diversity, and tolerance are swell aren’t they?

She’s a friggin’ bus driver, fer cryin’ out loud. (C-40, KC-135, C-37)


40 posted on 03/24/2011 9:55:53 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Cicero
No, I’m saying that they are desperate to promote women to high rank.

She got her first star under George Bush.

This woman may be perfectly competent. But the odds suggest that she’d maybe be a colonel still if she were a man.

The odds are against any officer making flag rank. If memory serves only 1 or 2 percent of all officers entering a military service will wear a star. But that's just for certain white guys. By your beliefs, the odds of any woman or minority making general are pretty much a done deal, right?

Also, that it’s extremely unusual to put a refueling specialist in charge of a military mission like this.

You are aware, are you not, that the Air Force Chief of Staff, General Schwartz, was a C-130 pilot his whole flying career? A 'trash hauler' as the expression goes? Not a fighter jock? Yet he's runnig the whole shootin' match. Affirmative action promotion as well?

We’ve seen what happens when they are desperate to have woman pilots. The result has been that a higher than average number of women pilots have crashed their planes or had other problems.

I would be very interested in seeing the statistics you have that support that claim.

41 posted on 03/24/2011 9:57:17 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: JayAr36
The question is: The military has the charter to kill the enemy and break their things, so how does a female in the military improve on that?

Women have been flying combat missions in the Air Force and the Navy for years now. We still manage to make things go 'boom' when needed.

Gays and females allowed to serve is a leftist idea to degrade our forces.

Gee, there have been women in the military for generations. Those leftists move slow.

42 posted on 03/24/2011 10:00:35 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: CrappieLuck

Sally fields is full of crap. Have you seen women fight each other? When I was kid, some of my best friends were guys I had previously fought at one time or another. Most women rarely forgive or forget.


43 posted on 03/24/2011 10:02:05 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Portcall24
This air campaign appears to be pretty similar to what my old HQ AF office (Checkmate) created for Desert Storm...

Joint Air Operations Planners are still taught the Warden/Deptula campaign as the standard...

44 posted on 03/24/2011 10:07:46 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (My dream thread: Mormon cop shoots Catholic Freeper's Pit Bull and takes his Macbook Pro.)
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To: Palter

In my honest opinion:

1. All generals and admirals directly involved in the Libya action who refused to stand up and question Obama’s authority to issue “offensive” strike orders should immediately be issued their last paycheck and DD-214

2. All generals and admirals not directly involved in the Libya action who refused to stand up and question the same should be written up and put on notice that their careers are in jeopardy for not demonstrating the leadership required of them as commissioned officers.

3. All Captains and Colonels should be put on immediate notice that promotion in rank and job duties is imminent with an included warning and statements regarding the Constitution of the United States of America.

Would would do this? Tough call in terms of one person. However, Congress could certainly start cancelling and recalling budgets - and do the same for selected paychecks and benefits.

=8-)

I want a military that understands without reserve that they serve both the Constitution AND a C-in-C who respects the same.

=8-)


45 posted on 03/24/2011 10:16:13 AM PDT by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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To: rahbert

I must admit that it’s kind of cool to have a woman bombing Muzzies, Karma is a bitch.


46 posted on 03/24/2011 10:17:28 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Palter

I used to work with a woman that was a retired Lt. Colonel in the Army...she may have had some extra help on the way because she was a woman but I have a feeling she earned her promotions just like any guy had....she was a smart no nonsense more than capable leader....


47 posted on 03/24/2011 10:24:48 AM PDT by Kimmers (Tell a lie often enough it becomes political........)
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To: K-Stater

Just answer the question!


48 posted on 03/24/2011 10:45:24 AM PDT by JayAr36 (Education is what we had before educators. Mark Steyn)
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To: An American in Turkiye

“she’s a Major General.”

Yes! Yes! She is a major general...

She is the very model of a modern Major-General,
She has information vegetable, animal, and mineral,
She knows the kings of England, and she quote the fights historical
From Marathon to Waterloo, in order categorical;
She’s very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,
She understands equations, both the simple and quadratical,
About binomial theorem she’s teeming with a lot o’ news,
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1dy44jV8EM&feature=related


49 posted on 03/24/2011 10:55:07 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: SamuraiScot

Gotta agree with you. Women and warfare? Not their field!


50 posted on 03/24/2011 11:00:24 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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