Posted on 03/11/2011 4:27:30 PM PST by jamese777
The birther bill is probably dead for 2011.
Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial presented his version Thursday of a bill that would require a presidential candidate to prove he or she is “a natural born citizen” of the United States.
The Government, Military and Veterans Affairs Committee is unlikely to advance the proposal (LB654) which goes even further than those introduced in 11 other states this year.
(Excerpt) Read more at nebraska.statepaper.com ...
OBot, all we need is one punch to land as in one state to pass an eligibility bill that would result in an Obama knockout for 2012.
Little Jameeeeseeee7777, they guy who posted this thread, would vote against presidential eligibility laws with glee.
I would hate for the conservative presidential candidate with the best chance of defeating Barack Hussein Obama II in 2012 to be a person who happened to be born in a state that has a current Democratic governor who might refuse to issue a long form birth certificate to that candidate; which could keep him or her off the ballot in some states.
Whatever a state says is an official record of birth will work in every other state.
Article Four/Section One would make the above impossible.
Nah we don't believe you BOt.
A case in point by arguing this BS.
I know that the Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution will prevail and any official proof of birth that any state authorizes will be accepted by every other state or the District of Columbia
You or any other leftist BOTs would not have any standing to sue in a court of law unless you are the candidate who was denied to be put on a presidential state ballot.
OBot, all we need is one punch to land as in one state to pass an eligibility bill that would result in an Obama knockout for 2012.
Please explain how only one state could make such a huge difference in the Electoral College outcome?
Wouldn’t you need for Obama to not be on the ballot in some states that might actually go for Obama?
Somebody on my blog is trying to say that I haven’t kept my sanity. lol.
I think Soros knew what he was doing when he threatened the media companies. It was a bold move, set all his chips on the table right then and there, letting everybody know it was a fight to the death. Soros rules like his buddies the Islamists, and nobody strayed from the script for fear of what he’d do.
I think there are people who may have courage, but it takes a different kind of skill and courage to fight when there’s a gun held to the head of your wife and kids. I think that’s where America is at.
Thank you. There’s so much that could be said and so little time. I was glad they asked good questions.
Turns out the AP jumped the gun. I contacted my senator and asked if they had voted yet and he said they would probably vote on it next Wednesday. So there is still time to urge these senators to do what’s right. And pray.
If God can speak through the mouth of a donkey.... lol
I was just praying I wouldn’t botch things too badly, and I think the prayers of people who knew I was going to be there did make a difference.
I had looked up the numbers for Nebraska and now I’ve forgotten what they were. I’ll have to look again. The signatures have to be so many from each county too, so it’s not something I could just do where I’m at; we’d need people to go all over the state.
There seems to be something strange going on if a Government and VETERANS Affair committee bottles this up.
“Nah we don’t believe you BOt.
A case in point by arguing this BS.”
The legal entities that WILL sue and WILL have legal standing to sue are the Democratic Party of any state that passes an eligiblity law, as well as the Democratic National Committee and the Obama Administration Justice Department.
The lastest BS spin you are being feed. LoL.
Don't worry Troll-BOt, that is not going to happen anytime soon. Because any real conservative would be happy to show his birth certificate in court (as he likely has one or two on file) or to any state, or sign any document stating he has 2 citizen parents so to be placed on a state ballot.
And if he would be denied by some hair-brained liberal Demo Gov after providing legitimate credentials and bonafides, or some home state dingbat, libural Gov - LOL again! - refused to provide him any of his personal records, he would easily sue and win in court because he would have standing. And any denial of records for a would be conservative presidential candidate by a liburuul Dingbat gov, duh Gov would get slam dunked in the world of public opinion.
You sure dream up some nonsensical BS.
From my booklet:
(Argument): “Full Faith and Credit/Short-Form is Good Enough for Passport Office.” Others say that if a COLB is good enough to get a passport it should be good enough for anything, and that not accepting another state’s COLB at face value is a violation of the Full Faith and Credit Clause.
That’s not what the Dept of Health and Human Services Inspector General said in a 1999 report (19) on birth certificate fraud. That report specifically recommends that states NOT take any single document at face value because it is so easy to get authentic documents from fraudulent documents – especially since half of the state registrars reported that someone in their system had been caught falsifying records. Each state is allowed to decide what kind of evidence it requires for specific claims and is strongly encouraged to always require more than one form of proof for claims, as well as implementing means to detect fraudulent documents.
An expert in electronic document fraud adds (20)that fraud is so very much easier to accomplish now that records are stored electronically, and can be manipulated remotely by hackers – in which case what is printed out electronically would seem legitimate to anybody looking at it. The only way to know the fraud that had happened would be by looking at the detailed history of the record, the embedded transaction log for the electronic record. It’s harder to fake an original long-form than an electronic record, because a fake paper record involves physically replacing the record in the Vital Records Office, whereas an electronic record can be altered remotely and leave no signs of tampering.
It is known that the passport records of John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama were all illegally accessed (21) in early 2008 – Obama’s 3 separate times. Several investigations of the breaches have been done (internal DOS investigation mentioned here (22) and OIG report here (23)), but according to the descriptions none of them seemed to involve checking to see whether those passport files had been altered. All were concerned about the security of the system and how the breach happened or internal disciplinary issues, not the potential result of the breaches.
Imagine that the only birth or citizenship record for Obama was in his passport file, and that file had been accessed by “birthers” who changed his record to say he was born in Indonesia. Checking the genuineness of records that could be compromised is a necessary protection for everyone – especially in a politically-charged climate where the stakes are high and opponents abundant.
Also from my booklet, which might be good for you to just read altogether. It’s at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/why-lb-654-is-needed-revised1.pdf :
(Argument:) Unavailability of long-form birth certificates. Some say there are states which don’t disclose long-form birth certificates.
First off, this bill provides alternative forms of documentation for that situation, if it arises.
Secondly, the claims that no long-forms are available are largely hype. For instance, in October of 2008 the Hawaii DOH claimed that they no longer disclose long-form birth certificates but there is video (17) of a woman at the HDOH office in the summer of 2010 ordering a certified copy of a long-form BC and being told that she would receive it in 2 weeks. All the HDOH claims amount to is the fact that unless you request a long-form the default is to get a COLB. Common knowledge to everybody in Hawaii, but
nobody in the media bothered to report it; it only surfaced because of diligent BLOGGERS, who are steadfastly ridiculed by the so-called “credible” media.
Thirdly, even in electronic form, the data is stored and can be put to paper. The CDC has a model birth certificate (18) which contains all the items from the old long-form birth certificates and more, and the states all have that model form or something basically equivalent, so they can report that information to the CDC. They collect and store that information. Whether the information is stored on paper or electronically, that information can be disclosed on paper and certified by Vital Records Office staff. At the federal level, FOIA and The Privacy Act allow individuals to get copies of their own records, and most states have similar provisions, so even if the records are not routinely issued, they can be accessed through FOIA/Privacy Act requests .
Virtually everyone here don't care what you believe toad. I'm sure they would like to see your butt get tossed by Zotting.
The legal entity that SHOULD have challenged Barack Obama’s eligibility in court and that WOULD have legal standing to sue him is the Republican National Committee.
Hello dingbat you're not making any sense as usual. LoL.
The legal entities that WILL sue and WILL have legal standing to sue are the Democratic Party of any state that passes an eligiblity law, as well as the Democratic National Committee and the Obama Administration Justice Department.
So the Demo party or the Obama Justice Dept could be refused to be placed on a state presidential ballot sport because of a would be state eligibility law? I didn't know a political party was a human entity or a Federal bureaucratic department could run as a president let alone to be place on a state presidential ballot. LoLoL!! You're are a dingbat.
I was hoping the reference to Lt Col Lakin giving up most likely at least $3 million worth in savings, salary, benefits, and retirement benefits, as well as having his reputation trashed and being in jail for 6 months ,,, would not be lost on them. This is what this man’s oath to protect and defend the US Constitution meant to him.
To his Commander-in-Chief it was not worth 2 minutes of his time to authorize the release of documents he claimed to have already disclosed, in order to allow Lakin to serve in good conscience.
One of the senators asked me about Nebraska having to foot the bill to defend the law in a legal challenge, and I mentioned that I didn’t think our vets should have to spend $3 million of their own personal money to do what the government should take care of procedurally anyway.
I hope the name of their committee was on their mind as I said that.
The judge in the Haw Haw case ruled..”Joyce claimed British citizenship”
Joyce was born in the US.
Obama claimed British citizenship..it is on his website.
Both fathers British subjects.
This means both were not born subject to the jurisdiction.
Virtually everyone here don’t care what you believe toad. I’m sure they would like to see your butt get tossed by Zotting.
Hello dingbat you’re not making any sense as usual. LoL.
So the Demo party or the Obama Justice Dept could be refused to be placed on a state presidential ballot sport because of a would be state eligibility law? I didn’t know a political party was a human entity or a Federal bureaucratic department could run as a president let alone to be place on a state presidential ballot. LoLoL!! You’re are a dingbat.
The lastest BS spin you are being feed. LoL.
Don’t worry Troll-BOt, that is not going to happen anytime soon. Because any real conservative would be happy to show his birth certificate in court (as he likely has one or two on file) or to any state, or sign any document stating he has 2 citizen parents so to be placed on a state ballot.
And if he would be denied by some hair-brained liberal Demo Gov after providing legitimate credentials and bonafides, or some home state dingbat, libural Gov - LOL again! - refused to provide him any of his personal records, he would easily sue and win in court because he would have standing. And any denial of records for a would be conservative presidential candidate by a liburuul Dingbat gov, duh Gov would get slam dunked in the world of public opinion.
You sure dream up some nonsensical BS.
I’m sure that if Barack Obama needs a long form to get on a state ballot, his former honorary Hawaii campaign manager who is now the Governor will be happy to have his administration in Hawaii print one up for Barry.
If one state passes one of those Obama is not eligibility ballot laws - what is Obama going to do? He has 4 choices: bypass the state or cross the RubiCON and come up with a real birth certificate, which we know he does not have, or pass off a forgery (a high risk adventure) or not run for a 2nd term. If Obama bypasses by not running in that state, the media will be forced to ask how come? The conclusion would be obvious. Poor widdle Obama, even for the Obama media, that he does not have the bonifides to pass the state ballot eligibility law and is therefore not qualified to be president.
Wouldn’t you need for Obama to not be on the ballot in some states that might actually go for Obama?
Nope. It would become crystal clear that your Oboma would be crap in the wind even for the most obtuse independent voters that Obama lied to the country. He would lose big time. And if one punch does land in a pres. state eligibility law, other states would soon follow. It would be monkey see monkey do. Other states watch what other states legislatively do and usually follow suit. Obama would be bypassing a few other states - hence Obama is toast.
Also from my booklet, which might be good for you to just read altogether. It’s at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/why-lb-654-is-needed-revised1.pdf :
(Argument:) Unavailability of long-form birth certificates. Some say there are states which don’t disclose long-form birth certificates.
First off, this bill provides alternative forms of documentation for that situation, if it arises.
Secondly, the claims that no long-forms are available are largely hype. For instance, in October of 2008 the Hawaii DOH claimed that they no longer disclose long-form birth certificates but there is video (17) of a woman at the HDOH office in the summer of 2010 ordering a certified copy of a long-form BC and being told that she would receive it in 2 weeks. All the HDOH claims amount to is the fact that unless you request a long-form the default is to get a COLB. Common knowledge to everybody in Hawaii, but
nobody in the media bothered to report it; it only surfaced because of diligent BLOGGERS, who are steadfastly ridiculed by the so-called “credible” media.
Thirdly, even in electronic form, the data is stored and can be put to paper. The CDC has a model birth certificate (18) which contains all the items from the old long-form birth certificates and more, and the states all have that model form or something basically equivalent, so they can report that information to the CDC. They collect and store that information. Whether the information is stored on paper or electronically, that information can be disclosed on paper and certified by Vital Records Office staff. At the federal level, FOIA and The Privacy Act allow individuals to get copies of their own records, and most states have similar provisions, so even if the records are not routinely issued, they can be accessed through FOIA/Privacy Act requests .
That's more complicated than Colorado. Most of Kansas is red so it looks like it can be done.
From my booklet:
(Argument): “Full Faith and Credit/Short-Form is Good Enough for Passport Office.” Others say that if a COLB is good enough to get a passport it should be good enough for anything, and that not accepting another state’s COLB at face value is a violation of the Full Faith and Credit Clause.
That’s not what the Dept of Health and Human Services Inspector General said in a 1999 report (19) on birth certificate fraud. That report specifically recommends that states NOT take any single document at face value because it is so easy to get authentic documents from fraudulent documents – especially since half of the state registrars reported that someone in their system had been caught falsifying records. Each state is allowed to decide what kind of evidence it requires for specific claims and is strongly encouraged to always require more than one form of proof for claims, as well as implementing means to detect fraudulent documents.
An expert in electronic document fraud adds (20)that fraud is so very much easier to accomplish now that records are stored electronically, and can be manipulated remotely by hackers – in which case what is printed out electronically would seem legitimate to anybody looking at it. The only way to know the fraud that had happened would be by looking at the detailed history of the record, the embedded transaction log for the electronic record. It’s harder to fake an original long-form than an electronic record, because a fake paper record involves physically replacing the record in the Vital Records Office, whereas an electronic record can be altered remotely and leave no signs of tampering.
It is known that the passport records of John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama were all illegally accessed (21) in early 2008 – Obama’s 3 separate times. Several investigations of the breaches have been done (internal DOS investigation mentioned here (22) and OIG report here (23)), but according to the descriptions none of them seemed to involve checking to see whether those passport files had been altered. All were concerned about the security of the system and how the breach happened or internal disciplinary issues, not the potential result of the breaches.
Imagine that the only birth or citizenship record for Obama was in his passport file, and that file had been accessed by “birthers” who changed his record to say he was born in Indonesia. Checking the genuineness of records that could be compromised is a necessary protection for everyone – especially in a politically-charged climate where the stakes are high and opponents abundant.
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