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Federal Judge in Florida Rules Individual Mandate is Unconstitutional
Fox News Detroit ^ | 1-31-2011 | Fox News

Posted on 01/31/2011 12:06:59 PM PST by Marty62

Edited on 01/31/2011 12:19:03 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: alancarp
Thanks very much for taking the time to read it and present it back to us laymen [laypersons].

Listening to Greta just now, she arrived at your same conclusion --- the judge didn't actually issue an injunction because:

Finally - the injunction: because of the absence of severability and the declaration that the individual mandate is unconstitutional, this is IN EFFECT an injunction ruling.

Thank you again!!!

221 posted on 01/31/2011 1:14:57 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: alancarp
I can hear the Democrats yucking it up over this part:
for there is a long-standing presumption; that officials of the Executive Branch will adhere to the law as declared by the court.

222 posted on 01/31/2011 1:15:46 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: Danae
I am thinkin that Obama is about to get some Cowbell today...

Right... upside his punkin' head!

223 posted on 01/31/2011 1:15:53 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: NYRepublican72

I don’t think it was a mistake, they said they wanted to write it so that it could bever be undone.
Glad they shot themselves in the foot to be honest!


224 posted on 01/31/2011 1:16:12 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais is beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: ScottinVA

Thanks very much! I love that photo of our most beloved president: President Ronald Wilson Reagan!


225 posted on 01/31/2011 1:16:18 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Marty62
Man... zippy has out cartered himself!!! he lost Egypt, now he has his "legacy legislation" smacked down.....what's next? His whole presidency made null and void? I can only hope!!!

this is the best news I've heard in a long time!!! wonder how this affects the repeal and the senate....if it's voided does it still have to go to the senate for repeal?
226 posted on 01/31/2011 1:16:18 PM PST by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Marty62

We will see how this plays out.


227 posted on 01/31/2011 1:16:29 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Portnoy
I think everyone needs to read this: Page 42 of 78 It would be a radical departure from existing case law to hold that Congresscan regulate inactivity under the Commerce Clause. If it has the power to compelan otherwise passive individual into a commercial transaction with a third partymerely by asserting --- as was done in the Act --- that compelling the actualtransaction is itself “commercial and economic in nature, and substantially affectsinterstate commerce” [see Act § 1501(a)(1)], it is not hyperbolizing to suggest thatCongress could do almost anything it wanted. It is difficult to imagine that a nationwhich began, at least in part, as the result of opposition to a British mandate givingthe East India Company a monopoly and imposing a nominal tax on all tea sold inAmerica would have set out to create a government with the power to force peopleto buy tea in the first place. If Congress can penalize a passive individual for failingto engage in commerce, the enumeration of powers in the Constitution would havebeen in vain for it would be “difficult to perceive any limitation on federal power”[Lopez, supra, 514 U.S. at 564], and we would have a Constitution in name only.Surely this is not what the Founding Fathers could have intended. See id. at 592(quoting Hamilton at the New York Convention that there would be just cause toreject the Constitution if it would allow the federal government to “penetrate therecesses of domestic life, and control, in all respects, the private conduct ofindividuals”) (Thomas, J., concurring). In Lopez, the Supreme Court struck downthe Gun Free School Zones Act of 1990 after stating that, if the statute were to beseem to carry with it an implicit presumption of at least some sort of preexistingdealing between people or entities. See 1 Samuel Johnson, A Dictionary of theEnglish Language (4thed. 1773) (defining “intercourse” as “Commerce; exchange”and “Communication”). Furthermore, as one of the amici notes in their brief, theword “regulate” in the Commerce Clause itself would also appear to presupposeaction upon some object or activity that is already extant (see doc. 121 at 4 n.1,citing Samuel Johnson’s dictionary defining “regulate” as “to adjust by rule ormethod” or “to direct”). Thus, a regulator “comes to an existing phenomenon andorders it.” Id.Case No.: 3:10-cv-91-RV/EMT Thanks for the heads up.
228 posted on 01/31/2011 1:16:40 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: ScottinVA

*THWAAAAAAAAAAK!*


229 posted on 01/31/2011 1:17:19 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais is beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: alancarp
Judge begins opinion by citing Federalist papers and ties specific clauses to the 10th Amendment. His introduction frames the case to be about the enumerated federal powers. That is a great setup.

Indeed! In fact, I doubt it could have been any better!

230 posted on 01/31/2011 1:17:30 PM PST by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: BlackElk
Do you know if Judge Roger Vinson (a native of Cadiz, Kentucky according to your post) is a relative of the deceased (Truman era) Chief Justice of SCOTUS Fred Vinson who was also from Kentucky?

I may have left that detail out of my post but hey I can only type so fast.

231 posted on 01/31/2011 1:17:47 PM PST by keat
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To: Newton
His whole presidency made null and void? I can only hope!!!

I would take that as a late Christmas gift for the last one, and an early one for the next!!

232 posted on 01/31/2011 1:18:09 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: NYRepublican72

I think it was 2,700 pages of an unconstitutional, Marxist, power grab, with the attempt to overthow our Republic!

They were sure prideful the night the passed it.


233 posted on 01/31/2011 1:19:02 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Danae
I don’t think it was a mistake, they said they wanted to write it so that it could bever be undone.

Glad they shot themselves in the foot to be honest!

Either way, arrogance/incompetence thy name is Democrat. They are the party of the jackass afterall.

234 posted on 01/31/2011 1:19:16 PM PST by NYRepublican72
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To: Newton

Hehe thats the best part, no it would not go back to the senate. If SCOTUS rules the same way, and there is great reason to assume they will, then it can go back to congress and they can try to re-write it. But the Law as it stands is now void in its entirety. Which means it may as well not exist. IN ENTIRETY.

WOOT!


235 posted on 01/31/2011 1:19:16 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais is beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: alancarp

BUMP.


236 posted on 01/31/2011 1:19:52 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: alancarp

yeah, like the stupid provision that won’t let people use their FSA accounts for non prescription medications without a prescription, and added taxes..... that went into effect this year.


237 posted on 01/31/2011 1:20:00 PM PST by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: ScottinVA

WOO-HOO!


238 posted on 01/31/2011 1:21:00 PM PST by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Newton

See post 228. Cudos to portnoy.

The issue you raise is why we MUST exact a sworn statement from any Presidential Candidate to SIGN a REPEAL of this Law.

No signee, no electee...period


239 posted on 01/31/2011 1:21:47 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: onyx

Now if/when this get to the SCOTUS I don’t think they will look kindly on O after O smacked them last year. The court is still smarting from that.

From what Greta said Vinson’s opinion is air tight therefore the Hight court may just hit back at O.


240 posted on 01/31/2011 1:21:57 PM PST by Clyde5445 (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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