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In Entitlement America, Making Minimum Wage Has More Disposable Income Than A Family Making $60,000

Posted on 11/22/2010 6:11:15 AM PST by Red in Blue PA



TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: entitlementmentality; entitlements; welfare
Simply unbelievable.
1 posted on 11/22/2010 6:11:17 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/entitlement-america-head-household-making-minimum-wage-has-more-disposable-income-family-mak


2 posted on 11/22/2010 6:11:40 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Pathetic. These people get to run their heaters at 80 degrees in the winter while I have to decide between having mine at 65 or 68.


3 posted on 11/22/2010 6:15:01 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Red in Blue PA

A flawed comparison since many of the Gov’ment programs are “in kind” and not in cash - Medicaid being the biggest standout.


4 posted on 11/22/2010 6:15:26 AM PST by captain_dave
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To: Red in Blue PA

Only true if you have kids though. The government pays people to have kids they can’t afford.


5 posted on 11/22/2010 6:16:33 AM PST by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Red in Blue PA

You need to add to that..under the table work for cash. That goes right to the bottom line. Plus sometimes supplemental social security.


6 posted on 11/22/2010 6:17:00 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: captain_dave

Indeed.....this is not a perfect comparison, but is a good reason why many are so frustrated.


7 posted on 11/22/2010 6:18:53 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA

8 posted on 11/22/2010 6:18:53 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Right now, 46% of my salary is taken in federal, state, & local tax before it even hits my bank account. I have less take-home pay now than I did before I went to grad school. Boy was I dumb.


9 posted on 11/22/2010 6:18:58 AM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: Red in Blue PA

Yep. We have created a society where it is actually more advantageous to work for minimum wage than to take a pay raise.


10 posted on 11/22/2010 6:19:37 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Looks like the people who pay for the party, don’t get to go to the party


11 posted on 11/22/2010 6:19:43 AM PST by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Hugin

That’s just it. A single person making $14K is barely scraping by, because they typically don’t qualify for many of the benefits available to families.


12 posted on 11/22/2010 6:19:47 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Forcing one person to pay for the irresponsibility of another is NOT social justice.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
People are going to start “Going Galt” in greater numbers. Take a minimum wage/part time job and work off the books.
13 posted on 11/22/2010 6:28:37 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: captain_dave

I know of one woman with 2 kids that gets $1650/month from Section 8 plus all the other goodies which in California are a lot more than those listed.


14 posted on 11/22/2010 6:29:06 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Red in Blue PA

Sickening!


15 posted on 11/22/2010 6:30:59 AM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: captain_dave

Hey Cap’t
Believe.
Picture this: someone living in a rent free apartment waiting for a grant to pay the electric bill calling an attorney to ask whether the landlord could evict them for no electricity since it wasn’t in the language of the lease!
And to top it off indicating they had never had a job.


16 posted on 11/22/2010 6:33:53 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Another column could have been those who don’t work at all, but have children out-of-wedlock.


17 posted on 11/22/2010 6:34:13 AM PST by Will88
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To: surroundedbyblue
This always struck me as immoral. When I was an apprentice, I was making $15.00/hr, the guy who just entered the country working next to me who couldn't speak a lick of English was being paid $12.00 /hr in cash for the same job but he was bringing home more than me. I really wanted to blow the whistle on my employer but
a) I needed the job and
b) I suspected that the electrical inspectors in CT wouldn't do anything.
18 posted on 11/22/2010 6:34:34 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: captain_dave

I agree the comparison is flawed. It’s WORSE than depicted. The single parent earning $60,000 probably has to work hard for it. The welfare mom gets to sit at home, spend time with her children, and does so at the $60,000 earner’s expense!


19 posted on 11/22/2010 6:39:48 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Bring on 2012!)
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To: Oldexpat

Don’t forget a lot of the single moms have live in boyfriends that are off the books. The mothers know the system will penalize them dearly if they marry and/or report the boyfriend’s income.


20 posted on 11/22/2010 6:41:54 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Bring on 2012!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I knew it wasn’t my imagination!

As my kids got closer to college age, it’s even more obvious.

My children’s poor friends all got a free ride with PELL grants and were able to live in the dorms with free meal cards. My kids have to live at home and we’re going to loose tons of money on transportation costs. (Not as much as living in the dorms would’ve cost us.)

I guess they’ve finally managed to level the playing field... bastards.


21 posted on 11/22/2010 6:46:58 AM PST by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: CitizenUSA

Yep. My mom is a welfare caseworker & she says this is the situation more often than not. These women apply for welfare, say they don’t know who the fathers is & that they’re not receiving child support, yet my mom will come time find out that the man is living with the woman & his income is not being reported. Problem is, the gov has the system set up so that my mom cannot yank the client’s benefits. She has to file a report, do mountains of paperwork which then ends up on some beaurocrat’s desk & wait for it to be “reviewed” which can be a year or so later.

Just ridiculous. The amount of fraud that gets let go is amazing. And the trash knows it, too. So they just continue to exploit the system. Is it any wonder we have a society with an entitlement mentality?


22 posted on 11/22/2010 6:49:01 AM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: CitizenUSA

don’t forget to throw in child support with that group.
some of those women intentionally work lower paying jobs to keep up an inequity in income to get higher child support checks.

also, i didn’t see state paid child care on the list of “freebies”.


23 posted on 11/22/2010 6:49:43 AM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: GonzoGOP

Years ago I remember some guy who went Galt. He’d made millions in the nascent Internet, then sold his very successful company that employed 50 people, put all the money into tax-free bonds and moved into the country. Now almost nothing of his goes to the government, and he employs nobody.


24 posted on 11/22/2010 6:56:58 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Red in Blue PA

For previous discussion on this article, go to:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2631119/posts#comment


25 posted on 11/22/2010 6:58:48 AM PST by Walleye_Walter (Not all Libs are stupid, but all stupid people are Libs)
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To: surroundedbyblue

The system encourages sloth and dishonesty. The welfare recipients KNOW how much they can earn before benefits are cut off. They have three choices:

#1 Limit work so as to not exceed the benefit limit.

#2 Work off the books and/or defraud the system by not honestly reporting all income, including other wage earners.

#3 Work harder to increase income, thereby LOSING benefits, like free food and medical care, and making LESS effective income for their children.

Is it any wonder that option #3 is the path less traveled?


26 posted on 11/22/2010 7:07:30 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Bring on 2012!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Furthermore, when the middle-class parents making $60,000 a year fill out the government's FAFSA form when it is time for their children to go to college, they will be told that they make too much money for federal aide. (Although they and their children will be encouraged to go into debt by taking out student loads). Meanwhile, the children of parents making minimum wage will qualify for thousands of dollars in government grants for education as well as be eligible for the plethora of scholarships that are designated for the "disadvantaged".
27 posted on 11/22/2010 7:25:04 AM PST by Nevadan
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To: surroundedbyblue

Live in NYC?


28 posted on 11/22/2010 7:25:24 AM PST by wizzardude
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To: Red in Blue PA

sounds like Burger King has found their new recruiting pitch...


29 posted on 11/22/2010 8:02:50 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: wizzardude

nope. I live in Pittsburgh & Allegheny county is the tax capital of the U.S.


30 posted on 11/22/2010 8:08:17 AM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“A single person making $14K is barely scraping by, because they typically don’t qualify for many of the benefits available to families.”

Re-define family: Make a baby but do NOT get married or you’ll lose many of your benefits.


31 posted on 11/22/2010 8:15:46 AM PST by StayAt HomeMother
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To: Red in Blue PA

bttt


32 posted on 11/22/2010 8:48:57 AM PST by Luigi Vasellini (End the political class.......TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

It is worse than depicted. The analysis did not take into consideration the cost of self providing equivalent health coverage for the persons making 60k per year.

I went by a Wal-mart the other day to get gas. No towels, no water no windshield cleaning solution... anywhere. Mentioned it to the kid attending the station... he doesn’t care and yet he thinks he should have a better job than the one HE CAN’T DO RIGHT!

Starvation would be a good idea in my opinion.


33 posted on 11/22/2010 9:04:51 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: CitizenUSA

The way around it in California is the live-in boyfriend is reported as a roommate. That way $0 of his income is used as household income.
All the single moms with boyfriends here know that.


34 posted on 11/22/2010 9:11:28 AM PST by sheana
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To: Nevadan

It’s disgusting. Work your way up, and all is taken, while those at the bottom get everything.


35 posted on 11/22/2010 9:20:49 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: GonzoGOP

Could not agree more. The writing is on the wall.


36 posted on 11/22/2010 9:24:12 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; dools0007world; ...

This is a great chart that brings up so many problems with the welfare state. No matter how generous the welfare is, there is always a dividing line between who get's it and who pays it.

Last week MSNBC did a special on illegal immigration/amnesty and this problem was not mentioned at all. They only interviewed one amnesty desenter and he pointed out that once legalized most illegals will join the unemployed because of labor laws. Mostly they discussed how unfair the system is and how America has always resisted 'immigrants' out of fear. What was never asked was :
1) How to keep legalized illegals off the dole,
2) How to make sure once legalized they wont vote for more welfare.

37 posted on 11/22/2010 10:35:14 AM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs
Wow, that's more than a little upsetting. I have suspected this for a some time, but I had no idea it (subsidized minimum wage) would be more than someone making $60K. I would have guess half that.

Thanks for posting. This will come in useful.

38 posted on 11/22/2010 10:39:20 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: sickoflibs

Sickening!


39 posted on 11/22/2010 10:52:01 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Red in Blue PA
Tis is not right. It is not fair and it is not just. This is the new slavery.
Being a professional parasite must have a cost; instead, the bennies keep adding up.

What causes rage in taxpayers who actually work, pay taxes and find themselves unemployed are the following :

The moronic and oxymoronic "Income Tax Credit." Whoever invented that fraudulent title for a "gift" extracted from working taxpayers should do a few decades of hard time.

National School Lunch program --- again, the number of persons on this program is carefully avoided. Feeding the feral children simply breeds countless more.
Welfare tribes simply enjoy the disposable income this allows, and saves the bother of actually working to keep their little bastards alive. They deserve it more than the childern of people who have worked all their lives and find themselves unemployed, hungry and about to lose their homes?

Same goes for food stamps. Food stamps should be made available to every family which finds itself with unemployed household earners who were continuously employed for ten years or more. Anything left over is applied to the truly helpless absolutely means tested. Ablebodied human "pets" need not apply.

How do we "pay for it?" Start with the parasites who have cashed even a single welfare check at a casino. Discretionary spending must be earned. No exceptions.

40 posted on 11/22/2010 11:18:29 AM PST by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: GonzoGOP
People are going to start “Going Galt” in greater numbers. Take a minimum wage/part time job and work off the books.

That has to be the ticket in obamaland. I pray every day for some scandal to break that will bring him down.

41 posted on 11/22/2010 11:21:27 AM PST by jersey117
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To: captain_dave
A flawed comparison since many of the Gov’ment programs are “in kind” and not in cash - Medicaid being the biggest standout.

A distinction without a difference.
Those of us who are not parasites need cash to satisfy the same basic need. "In kind" makes it worthless? In what universe?

42 posted on 11/22/2010 11:25:17 AM PST by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: Publius6961

I might be able to see food stamps for the basics, but childcare costs? School lunches? Rent subsidies? Utility bill assistance?

And there are other things not lsted on this list like th program which hands out cellular phones free of charge. Probably a hundred other things too.


43 posted on 11/22/2010 11:38:26 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Yes there are other things. Part of the “welfare to work” program provides the client with money to purchase a car, money for he purchase of uniforms & work clothes, gas money, child care funding, & of course, a stipend that will cover textbooks. The biggest part of this is given in cash, too, and the recipients know it. So where do you think the cah actually goes? I can tell you it most likely doesn’t go for its stated intent. And there’s no accountability for it. How stupid.


44 posted on 11/22/2010 12:39:49 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: Red in Blue PA

One of the best posts I have seen in a while, thanks!


45 posted on 11/22/2010 12:56:07 PM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Spread the wealth around, until there isn’t any, or the producers decide they just aren’t going to support the leaches any more.


46 posted on 11/22/2010 2:28:33 PM PST by wita
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To: sickoflibs

WOW! That’s one amazing chart!


47 posted on 11/22/2010 4:42:23 PM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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