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Couple Found Dead in Camper Near Santa Rosa Were Going to Colorado (NM)
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | august 6, 2010 | ABQNews Staff

Posted on 08/06/2010 7:48:36 PM PDT by CedarDave

State Police are investigating as a double homicide the deaths of two people whose burned bodies were found in a burned-out camper near Santa Rosa, the state Department of Public Safety said Thursday.

Gary and Linda Haas' bodies was found by a rancher in a 32-foot travel trailer about on a ranch 10 miles west of Santa Rosa and three miles north of Interstate 40. Two well-groomed dogs were also found near the camper, according to a search warrant.

State Police used the contact information on the dog tags to contact the Haases' daughter, who said the dogs belonged to her parents, the court document says.

The couple often stayed in state parks on their trip, including an area near Santa Rosa, the daughter said.

She described the couple as "very self-sufficient" and said both had concealed-carry firearms licenses.

The couple's white Chevrolet pickup pulling the camper was found in Albuquerque through OnStar, but police said there were no video surveillance cameras nearby and no witnesses who could describe any occupant of the truck.

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To: 1951Boomer

Adrenaline is an amazing thing. That, and the primitive human response to imminent death are powerful motivators. You may surprise yourself.


51 posted on 08/07/2010 6:55:28 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Gator113
I wouldn't stay in any state park or even most national parks. The ones in Kalifornia are full of complete nut jobs this time of year.
52 posted on 08/07/2010 7:03:54 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: dragnet2

Here in Nevada it is very common for both spouses to have a CCW.


53 posted on 08/07/2010 7:07:02 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: dragnet2

Going back to the picture of the pickup. I haven’t lived in ABQ for quite some time, but I looked at the satellite image and google guy of the Edith-Osuna area last night, and it looks much like I remembered it from being there. Pretty barren. There aren’t any shopping centers around that intersection that are that developed.

Oh, and I-40 into ABQ is also very barren. Given it is only a 2 hour drive, they wouldn’t really need to stop. There is only a few truck stops.

Read another article that said the pickup/trailer was seen on the security camera of the restaurant near where the burned trailer was found.

Maybe they came across someone broken down. Just don’t know enough yet. They were comfortable enough to let down their guard.


54 posted on 08/07/2010 8:23:36 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: CedarDave
However, there are two murderers on the loose from Arizona, though they too would be unlikely to be heading back west toward Arizona.

I think you on to something big.

The fact that the pickup was ditched at the first exit
going north on I-25 would suggest that the two were
going north to the mountains of New Mexico or Colorado.


55 posted on 08/07/2010 8:36:08 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: dragnet2

New article gives a specific address: 6601 Fourth Street. This is several blocks down from the Edith/Osuna area. Still pretty barren in and around the way there.

http://www.newsok.com/search-warrant-sheds-new-light-on-homicide-of-oklahoma-couple/article/3483383?custom_click=pod_headline_crime


56 posted on 08/07/2010 8:37:39 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: Jeff Gordon
I have Oklahoma relatives who are couples and who both have CCWs.

I'm sure you do, however, the fact is, it's not the norm for married couples to have his and hers CCW permits...

57 posted on 08/07/2010 8:41:49 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"I shrugged it off."

I'm one who thinks we're given those "feelings" for a reason, and that it's best not to shrug them off. Sounds like yours were right on target!

58 posted on 08/07/2010 8:43:48 AM PDT by LucyJo
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To: ican'tbelieveit
If you look closely at the pic up thread, of the truck, it appears to be dumped in a shopping center...

Going back to the picture of the pickup. I haven’t lived in ABQ for quite some time, but I looked at the satellite image and google guy of the Edith-Osuna area last night, and it looks much like I remembered it from being there. Pretty barren. There aren’t any shopping centers around that intersection that are that developed.

If you examine this image of the vehicle that was dumped by the suspect, it clearly appears to be located in a shopping center.


59 posted on 08/07/2010 8:44:47 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Several months ago, I ended up stopping in Las Vegas NM for gas. That’s a bit north on 25, from 40. That little town in NM seemed inordinately rough for its size, to me. There was a heavy transient feel to it. Like you really didn’t want to break down around there. Didn’t feel safe. I shrugged it off. But now remember, because it’s pretty close to where this attack seems to have occurred.

Yep, there are lots of small towns just like that nowadays, especially given the economic downturn, many of these smaller towns simply died an economic death.

60 posted on 08/07/2010 8:49:55 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Deaf Smith

I think that’s good advice.


61 posted on 08/07/2010 8:50:40 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: CedarDave
Many folks are opting for the Wal-Mart campground.


62 posted on 08/07/2010 9:00:38 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: bert

http://newsok.com/search-warrant-sheds-new-light-on-homicide/article/3483383

Their daughter said they stayed in state campgrounds on these trips, and the one near Santa Rosa was one where they usually stayed.


63 posted on 08/07/2010 9:03:24 AM PDT by LucyJo
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Later, they were caught on surveillance video being driven past a restaurant about five miles southeast of where the trailer was found burned.

Remember what I said up thread about surveillance cameras?

I looked at the satellite image and google guy of the Edith-Osuna area last night, and it looks much like I remembered it from being there. Pretty barren. There aren’t any shopping centers around that intersection that are that developed.

Don't know where your looking but, according to Google Earth, 6601 Fourth Street Albuquerque, New Mexico is located right in a shopping center, just as I suggested the photo of the truck indicated.

64 posted on 08/07/2010 9:05:17 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Rebelbase

Hmmm. Well, at least, they have surveillance cameras recording their stay. However, criminals are so bold these days that cameras, while being useful in solving the crimes, don’t seem to be much of a deterrent.


65 posted on 08/07/2010 9:09:52 AM PDT by LucyJo
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To: dragnet2

The surveillance camera that has been mentioned is prior to the truck & trailer being separated. So, probably prior to the death of those found in the trailer.

Look at my next comment about the shopping center. It is actually quite a way from edith/osuna initially reported. But Osuna and 4th in that area are still very desolate around that shopping center.


66 posted on 08/07/2010 9:15:42 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: dragnet2; Cringing Negativism Network

Las Vegas has always been that way, nothing new. If you got a bit west over the mtns into the Espanola/Chimayo area, it is even worse.


67 posted on 08/07/2010 9:17:49 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Osuna/San Mateo is not the first exit going north, nor was the area where the pickup was located near the interstate.


68 posted on 08/07/2010 9:19:27 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
The surveillance camera that has been mentioned is prior to the truck & trailer being separated. So, probably prior to the death of those found in the trailer.

Of course, however my point stands regarding my comment about surveillance cameras and their widespread use.

Look at my next comment about the shopping center. It is actually quite a way from edith/osuna initially reported. But Osuna and 4th in that area are still very desolate around that shopping center.

You provided and address and it shows right in the middle of a shopping center...Look it up.

In addition, can you seriously examine the picture of the victims truck, and say this is not a shopping center?


69 posted on 08/07/2010 9:19:58 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: ican'tbelieveit

In fact, I’d be very surprised if they have no video of the suspect/suspects exiting the victims vehicle and or driving in the area.


70 posted on 08/07/2010 9:23:24 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

OMG! I never said it wasn’t a shopping center. I said that @ Osuna & Edith, where the news initially reported the location, there was not a shopping center that resembled the one in the picture.

Later, this morning, I found the additional address, quite a bit down the road from Edith/Osuna. Yes, that is the shopping center, but I repeated that beyond that shopping center, that the area around there is not well developed. In other words, you aren’t going to have security cameras on building after building picking up the motion of that vehicle. I would really believe that there are no security cameras focusing on the parking lot of that shopping center, given the area.


71 posted on 08/07/2010 9:25:14 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
OMG! I never said it wasn’t a shopping center.

Relax...

Here is what you said.

#37 The area where the truck was dumped is a mixture of industrial/residential. Not a lot of fast food places, etc. The article mentions there were not any nearby video cameras to assist.

#54 Going back to the picture of the pickup. I haven’t lived in ABQ for quite some time, but I looked at the satellite image and google guy of the Edith-Osuna area last night, and it looks much like I remembered it from being there. Pretty barren. There aren’t any shopping centers around that intersection that are that developed.

#56 New article gives a specific address: 6601 Fourth Street. This is several blocks down from the Edith/Osuna area. Still pretty barren in and around the way there.

72 posted on 08/07/2010 9:33:53 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: ican'tbelieveit
My point is the image of the victims truck clearly indicated it was dumped at a shopping center.

This would seems to indicate there is a strong possibility the vehicle and it's suspect occupants were possibly caught on video surveillance.

73 posted on 08/07/2010 9:36:56 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

You need to chill and possibly take some reading comprehension classes?... I am a NM native, lived in ABQ for many years, and worked @ Osuna & Jefferson for many years. So, please stop acting like you know more than I do. And, I would defer to someone who has lived there more recently than I have.


74 posted on 08/07/2010 9:43:50 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Yes, that is the shopping center

Yes, all one needed to do is examine the image of the victims vehicle to determine that.

but I repeated that beyond that shopping center, that the area around there is not well developed.

Actually, it is.

In other words, you aren’t going to have security cameras on building after building picking up the motion of that vehicle.

No one suggested that. You were told that the use of video cameras nowadays is wide spread enough where most would be surprised...It's even common now to have home residential surveillance cameras. Their cheap.

I would really believe that there are no security cameras focusing on the parking lot of that shopping center, given the area.

That would be up to the LEOs to determine and check out.

Trust me, they will being going along the entire route from the crime scene to the where the suspects dropped off the victims vehicle, looking for video cameras and witnesses.

75 posted on 08/07/2010 9:48:19 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Osuna/San Mateo is not the first exit going north, nor was the area where the pickup was located near the interstate.

Sorry, you will have to argue with my wife who was raised in ABQ / Rio Rancho.

Or they may just have taken a local bus south on fourth to the Grayhound terminal.


76 posted on 08/07/2010 9:48:43 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Wow, well your wife may be a bit off. Shall I list off all of the I-25 exits that are MUCH closer to I-40, or north of Osuna?

And, Osuna is a really long, barren drive. So, yes, unless they were grabbing a local bus downtown, to get on greyhound (although there would be much better and closer places to drop off the truck than this location), they are a long way from I-25.


77 posted on 08/07/2010 9:52:09 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: dragnet2

Ok, dragnet. I don’t know how else to explain this. It is not a well developed area. There is the shopping center at that intersection, but going away from that in any direction you will see what I mean. I can see it being a great place to dump a car because of the area.

We are talking an old community in ABQ.


78 posted on 08/07/2010 10:03:22 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
It is not a well developed area.

Wrong...lol

There is the shopping center at that intersection, but going away from that in any direction you will see what I mean.

There is a Bank of America, an Autozone, a Pharmacy, a Big Lots store, Supercuts, Taco Bell and other restarurants in the immediate area/intersection, all located around a shopping center. You don't consider this well developed? LOL!

We are talking an old community in ABQ.

The age of the community has nothing to do with this.

You have argued this is a "barren" area, in and around this area, with little development.....Not true at all...

79 posted on 08/07/2010 10:31:47 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: sushiman
“Gary and Linda Haas’ bodies was found “ Written by an illegal alien ???? Bodies is plural .

No; written by a tired FReeper last night.

80 posted on 08/07/2010 11:55:12 AM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's NINJA voters: No income, no job, no assets.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; dragnet2
That little town in NM seemed inordinately rough for its size, to me.

It's always been rough. Back in the late 70's I was escorting a former lady friend from Tucson to Denver for a job. She was a tall, busty good looking redhead and when we stopped for gas she got out to use the ladies room. When she returned she was harassed by a group of low-life Hispanic males who called her a bunch of names in Spanish. These "macho" types were obviously looking for me to respond so they could up the ante and maybe take me out. She wisely said lets just get in the car and go.

Las Vegas was the town featured in the movie "Red Dawn" and is just as violent as the movie was. BTW, further north in Mora County, the poorest in NM, Anglos are not at all welcome.

81 posted on 08/07/2010 12:06:13 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's NINJA voters: No income, no job, no assets.)
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To: ican'tbelieveit; dragnet2; Cringing Negativism Network
Las Vegas has always been that way, nothing new.
See my number #81

If you got a bit west over the mtns into the Espanola/Chimayo area, it is even worse.
Very much true.

82 posted on 08/07/2010 12:11:02 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's NINJA voters: No income, no job, no assets.)
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To: Gator113
My wife and I leave next Friday for a traveling camping trip. We tow an Airstream trailer. I had planned to stay in a few State campgrounds to say a few bucks... maybe not now.

You're probably aware, but if not, hotels and motels, especially those on the lower end of the economic scale, are generally loaded with felons, people on the run, the down and out, borderline homeless etc., etc...

83 posted on 08/07/2010 1:40:35 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: CedarDave

Lived in the Espanola valley nearly 10 years. As a very tall, anglo, woman, I did have my fair share of slang words directed at me. But, I think my height was very intimidating; they really seemed to leave me alone. The kids really gawked at me in the store since I was so much taller than the population they were used to.


84 posted on 08/07/2010 1:41:43 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: dragnet2

Look, dragnet, you are fighting an losing argument. I drove these streets for nearly 10 years, 5 days or more a week. I know what I am talking about. There is a strip mall in the middle of nearly nothing. It is not a very developed area outside of the shopping area.

You seem to not be able to comprehend things well.

The age of the community is very relevant to who lives there, and what technology they employee. Unless you have lived in the majority hispanic community in central NM, you really have no idea how to define or comprehend things in regards to it.


85 posted on 08/07/2010 1:45:44 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
I'm not arguing with you....

Everything I have said on this thread is based on facts from the article, in addition to speculating about a few scenarios of what could have possibly occurred, and the likely options LE have here, in regards to capturing/locating the suspect/suspects.

No doubt the LE is thinking about the same scenarios....If not, they should be, due to the likely fact the burned trailer will probably reveal little or no evidence in regards to revealing the ID of the suspect/suspects.

You on the other hand, have been like calling, "Dial an argument".

Anyone can read back on this short thread and see for themselves.

The Internet makes a great witness.

86 posted on 08/07/2010 2:09:06 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

OH, wait, wait, I get it. You are the Super Knowledge of the internet. When you make suppositions, they are perfect. When someone with first hand knowledge can possibly bring something different to the table for discussion, they must be wrong.

Only you can describe and define the debate, discussion. I get it, oh knowledgeable dragnet. I will be sure to never, ever doubt your perfect knowledge again.


87 posted on 08/07/2010 2:13:20 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
OH, wait, wait, I get it. You are the Super Knowledge of the internet.

Incorrect.

I commented very early on that it appeared the suspects dumped the victims vehicle in a shopping center, and there could possibly be video of that, and possibly video from cameras from the crime scene to the point what they dumped that truck.

These are not "know it all comments" as you suggested, but comments based on experience, and based on what was revealed in the article.

My only speculation about the victims vehicle being possibly carjacked and taken to a remote spot was just that, speculation. In addition to speculation regarding if this was such a remote camp spot, how did the suspect/suspects get there?

Were there two vehicles, one being the suspects and one being the victims truck?

Again, my comments are based on the article, mixed with some speculation. Clearly the area the victims vehicle was dropped, was not a remote, or under developed area.

We can still be friends can't we?

88 posted on 08/07/2010 2:26:11 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

I really have difficulty dealing with people who can’t comprehend. You have a lot of difficulty with that skill.


89 posted on 08/07/2010 2:36:44 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: dragnet2

Absolutely. I chased bad guys for 30 years..... Now retired, thank God.

I hate motels of any kind and that’s one of the reasons we bought an Airstream.

When we traveled across this beautiful country on a Harley, we had little choice but to stay in whatever motel we found along the way, some nice, some dumps—all full of chemical smells and other peoples germs. Just thinking about it makes my skin crawl.

Our last Harley trip was 9K miles and I swore then that I would never stay in a motel again, unless there was absolutely no other alternative. We like the B&B’s better anyway... when you can find one.

When I am traveling, I’m on guard almost every moment, but some places don’t worry me as much as others.

I now have my trailer and truck set up with 2 generators, a solar panel and two Trojan batteries, such that I could dry camp for as long as I would ever want to. Unfortunately, with all the jerks and threats out there anymore, I don’t feel comfortable with camping in unfamiliar remote areas, especially with my wife with me..... and that pi$$es me off.

Oh well, if I want to save a few bucks, we will occasionally camp at Walmarts, cop parking lots and maybe some churches.

I sure miss the old days when a person could safely cross the country with little more than a pocket knife, water and sandwich fixings. ;>)


90 posted on 08/07/2010 2:41:26 PM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012....)
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To: Gator113
Yep....You know...lol

Good luck on your trip with the Airstream...Sounds fun...Nice trailer too.

91 posted on 08/07/2010 4:39:25 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: ican'tbelieveit

Actually, I don’t Miss.

Again, anyone can read back to see what’s up.


92 posted on 08/07/2010 4:40:36 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Gator113
I hate motels of any kind and that’s one of the reasons we bought an Airstream.

Don't forget the maids shaking down and looting all your belongings the minute ya step out.

lol...

93 posted on 08/07/2010 4:48:52 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Oh my, didn’t you put me in my place. “Look here, Miss, don’t you dare question me.”


94 posted on 08/07/2010 5:56:27 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
That's not what I said.

Lets be friends...Oh, and you can question me any time you please!

95 posted on 08/07/2010 5:59:46 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: CedarDave
there are two murderers on the loose from Arizona

I just heard on Breaking news that you were right.

96 posted on 08/07/2010 6:10:25 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: CedarDave

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/08/07/20100807arizona-escape-inmates-arrest-rbrk.html


97 posted on 08/07/2010 6:31:25 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Thanks. Just posted a new thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2566601/posts


98 posted on 08/07/2010 6:36:11 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's NINJA voters: No income, no job, no assets.)
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To: dragnet2

Now you know how it feels.


99 posted on 08/07/2010 6:51:29 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: dragnet2; Eaker; Squantos; humblegunner
I'm sure you do, however, the fact is, it's not the norm for married couples to have his and hers CCW permits...

Married couples tend to share interests. Anyone know where we can find real stats as opposed to assumptions?

100 posted on 08/07/2010 6:52:10 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others)
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