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Couple Found Dead in Camper Near Santa Rosa Were Going to Colorado (NM)
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | august 6, 2010 | ABQNews Staff

Posted on 08/06/2010 7:48:36 PM PDT by CedarDave

State Police are investigating as a double homicide the deaths of two people whose burned bodies were found in a burned-out camper near Santa Rosa, the state Department of Public Safety said Thursday.

Gary and Linda Haas' bodies was found by a rancher in a 32-foot travel trailer about on a ranch 10 miles west of Santa Rosa and three miles north of Interstate 40. Two well-groomed dogs were also found near the camper, according to a search warrant.

State Police used the contact information on the dog tags to contact the Haases' daughter, who said the dogs belonged to her parents, the court document says.

The couple often stayed in state parks on their trip, including an area near Santa Rosa, the daughter said.

She described the couple as "very self-sufficient" and said both had concealed-carry firearms licenses.

The couple's white Chevrolet pickup pulling the camper was found in Albuquerque through OnStar, but police said there were no video surveillance cameras nearby and no witnesses who could describe any occupant of the truck.

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State Police are asking anyone who might have seen the vehicle traveling on I-40 or might have information related to the crime to contact them at the State Police office in Santa Rosa at 575-472-5211 and at the State Police office in Tucumcari at 575-461-3300.
1 posted on 08/06/2010 7:48:38 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; OneWingedShark; ...
NM list PING!

(The NM list is available on my FR homepage for anyone to use. Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from the list.)

2 posted on 08/06/2010 7:50:56 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's NINJA voters: No income, no job, no assets.)
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To: CedarDave
Illegal Aliens ?

3 posted on 08/06/2010 7:52:58 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: CedarDave

Further information:

http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/062327332438newsstate08-06-10.htm


4 posted on 08/06/2010 7:54:19 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's NINJA voters: No income, no job, no assets.)
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To: CedarDave
That other site wants you to sign up for a subscription, so here is another source for the story.

Oklahomans Found Burned in Camper in New Mexico Remain Unidentified

5 posted on 08/06/2010 7:54:32 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Now 100% flag free.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Unlikely, going the wrong direction. However, there are two murderers on the loose from Arizona, though they too would be unlikely to be heading back west toward Arizona. More likely someone who they may have stopped to help who got the drop on them. Or could have knocked on their trailer door and subdued them.


6 posted on 08/06/2010 7:57:36 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's NINJA voters: No income, no job, no assets.)
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To: smokingfrog

The ABQ Journal article is free to read. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, watch a short video and browse away.


7 posted on 08/06/2010 7:58:57 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's NINJA voters: No income, no job, no assets.)
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To: smokingfrog
Terrible story for any family to have to endure and what that couple went through.

Repeated Lesson. Fight/flee, what ever it takes to not be removed from Crime Scene #1. Crime Scene #2 is not survivable.

8 posted on 08/06/2010 8:13:00 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: CedarDave

Scared the crap out of me. My daughter and her boyfriend are in a camper and in that very area right now. They are over there from Maui. Prayers for this family in this tragic time.


9 posted on 08/06/2010 8:23:17 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: CedarDave
This show scares the beejeepers out of me....People need guns to protect themselves...

I Survived
10 posted on 08/06/2010 8:38:50 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: fish hawk

I hope they are armed and ready to use it if necessary.


11 posted on 08/06/2010 8:39:33 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's NINJA voters: No income, no job, no assets.)
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To: CedarDave

Hell is too good of a place for these murderous bloody cretins. I know this sounds very unchristian of me but i hope they go there!


12 posted on 08/06/2010 8:43:00 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: CedarDave
Thanks

Looks like they dropped the pickup at first exit going north

13 posted on 08/06/2010 8:50:33 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: CedarDave

Oh my. This is a nasty one. Hope they catch the perps soonest. Prayers for the family.


14 posted on 08/06/2010 9:06:18 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: CedarDave
This is sickening! In the 50’s we camped all over the west, sleeping in sleeping bags on the ground. It never occurred to us that someone might sneak up in the night and kill us. The world is a different place in only 60 years.
15 posted on 08/06/2010 9:11:54 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Deaf Smith
Repeated Lesson. Fight/flee, what ever it takes to not be removed from Crime Scene #1. Crime Scene #2 is not survivable.

Not sure what you mean, but I think the best chance of surviving entails not going with anyone away from a populated area. In other words, if they are going to shoot me, I'd rather fight where some one might see it happen, instead of going with the criminal to some secluded place. That is what I would hope I would do.

16 posted on 08/06/2010 9:17:44 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: CedarDave

My wife and I leave next Friday for a traveling camping trip. We tow an Airstream trailer. I had planned to stay in a few State campgrounds to say a few bucks... maybe not now.

I would have been armed anyway, but this will remind me to maintain situational awareness a bit more. Even though my dog is “well groomed”, he is a 2 year old German Shepherd dog that has become protective of both of us, so he should also help... at least be a good alarm.

This kind of nightmare takes some of the fun out of being an American anymore.

My the couple RIP.


17 posted on 08/06/2010 9:30:28 PM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012....)
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To: Deaf Smith

That is good advice that I too have given to a good many folks.


18 posted on 08/06/2010 9:36:17 PM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012....)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
That usually goes over people's heads. Crime Scene #2 is where the body(s) are found. #1 is where they were taken from.

There were Public Service Programs in the late 70's on how not to be a victim and to survive encounters with bad guys. Those are long gone.

Over the years, I have taken various teenagers (males) on a tour of a actual CS1 to CS2 where there are two crosses with the names of the boy & girl who were killed. They have to be educated on just how bad some people are.

19 posted on 08/06/2010 9:39:02 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: CedarDave
Nasty brutal murder....

Much of the evidence, if any, will likely be located in their stolen truck, and all the video cameras along the way to Albuquerque, all the stores, fast food places and cameras where in the area where the truck was dumped.

I really hope they catch those responsible...This was really a nasty crime.

If this was in the middle of now where....How did the murderers get there? Was a second vehicle involved?

20 posted on 08/06/2010 9:49:51 PM PDT by dragnet2
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If this was in the middle of *no* where....How did the murderers get there? Was a second vehicle involved?


21 posted on 08/06/2010 9:51:06 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Ditter

This is more like the American West a hundred and fifty years ago. There seem to be those who will prey on others in every generation and in every generation they must be beaten back, so the the world will not fall into darkness.


22 posted on 08/06/2010 9:59:19 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: CedarDave
I would guess it's possible the couple were car/truck jacked/kidnapped and drivin to this remote site and killed. The suspect could have had someone follow them to the remote site...Or could have been alone.

My hunch is they were either car jacked and made to drive to this remote location or, there was a second vehicle involved that was used by the bad guys to reach their remote location.

Either way, there has to be some video or witnesses in the area the truck was dropped....Nice truck, big crew cab....Hard to miss.

This is a particularly bad crime.

23 posted on 08/06/2010 10:00:21 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
The likely victims

Authorities say Gary and Linda Haas are the owners of the truck and trailer, but do not know yet if they are the victims.

24 posted on 08/06/2010 10:03:48 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

The pickup truck, which was determined to be hauling the trailer, was found nearly two hours away in Albuquerque.

25 posted on 08/06/2010 10:04:46 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
Carjacking/abduction from rest area, truck stop or cafe...

Kills them in the camper and drives. Pulls off Interstate down dirt road to dump/burn camper. Drive vehicle to home turf and abandon.

26 posted on 08/06/2010 10:05:43 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith

Possible....yep


27 posted on 08/06/2010 10:08:09 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: CedarDave

They had dogs and were possibly armed. I’m going to guess that they knew or were expecting whoever killed them.


28 posted on 08/06/2010 10:08:29 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Politicians exist to break windows so they may spend other people's money to fix them.)
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To: Deaf Smith

Only several hundred miles from Juarez Mexico...A really nasty violent place...


29 posted on 08/06/2010 10:12:47 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Moonman62
They're going to look really hard at the victims backgrounds to see who they bumped around with, if they were in big debt, had enemies, if they sued anyone recently, had a disgruntle business partner etc, etc, etc.

A little unusual they had his and hers CCW permits...

30 posted on 08/06/2010 10:15:54 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Dallas59

Sounds like they had guns.


31 posted on 08/06/2010 10:17:55 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: Moonman62
I would say: No, no and no.

Possibly armed, but not on person.

Total stranger(s).

Dogs were wimps and just under the feet, not of concern by the actor(s).

"Just do what he says" is bad advice by the MSM & cops.

32 posted on 08/06/2010 10:18:13 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Gator113

Prayers for y’all to have a safe and enjoyable trip, Gator113.

My husband and I thought about doing the same, but we’ve decided it’s probably better to just leave the camper at home and pay for accomodations along the way.

It’s a shame that we have come to a point in this country where it’s almost necessary to be wary of all strangers regardless of how friendly, and harmless, they may seem to be.


33 posted on 08/06/2010 10:18:27 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: Moonman62

I wouldn’t assume that. Seems they traveled around a lot, camped in state parks. Probably just did it as a point of caution given their traveling style.


34 posted on 08/06/2010 10:19:44 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: Deaf Smith
Possibly armed, but not on person. Total stranger(s). Dogs were wimps and just under the feet, not of concern by the actor(s).

Hmmmm

This was really remote per the article. It's my thinking they both had CCWs, but possible not in hand. However even wimpy dogs bark...Especially in the middle of nowhere, where even small sounds can be heard...If this was the case, you'd think they would have had time to arm themselves and prepare....

35 posted on 08/06/2010 10:23:10 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Deaf Smith

Yup. When you’re out like that you have to be prepared to forcefully defend yourself. I recall the same thing has happened to older couples in campgrounds in Oregon a few times in the past. The motive is usually a drifter (a jail escapee or other wanted individual) looking to steal the folks’ vehicle and perhaps some cash to move some distance in a short amount of time. My wife and I like to camp in out of the way primitive campgrounds and usually we go in mid week when there is almost nobody else around. But anytime we’re out in the sticks I pack. So far we have not had occasion to do more than kindly suggest a time or to that we don’t wish to have any company.


36 posted on 08/06/2010 10:26:14 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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To: dragnet2

Not sure if anyone has answered some of your questions, responded to your comments.

The area where the truck was dumped is a mixture of industrial/residential. Not a lot of fast food places, etc. The article mentions there were not any nearby video cameras to assist.

Santa Rosa is on I-40, so they could have been hitchhiking. The dump spot is a bit off of I-25.


37 posted on 08/06/2010 10:29:08 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: Gator113; Deaf Smith; fish hawk

It is getting so that one doesn’t feel safe anywhere. This happened just a day or 2 ago in Amarillo:

http://www.newsok.com/texas-mans-crime-spree-ends-in-oklahoma-womans-death/article/3482535


38 posted on 08/06/2010 10:42:49 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: ican'tbelieveit
The area where the truck was dumped is a mixture of industrial/residential. Not a lot of fast food places, etc.

I was thinking along the route west to Albuquerque, and into Albuquerque. They could have stopped for some reason. It's really surprising how many businesses have video nowadays...If you look closely at the pic up thread, of the truck, it appears to be dumped in a shopping center...Do I have that right?

The article mentions there were not any nearby video cameras to assist.

I was reading this article here and it did not mention that. :http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=12941053

Please note, some times they provide bad info or disinformation in the news so the suspects don't jackrabbit....If the bad guys read they have good video, they will likely take off from the area.

Santa Rosa is on I-40, so they could have been hitchhiking. The dump spot is a bit off of I-25.

You mean the suspect was possibly hitchhiking?

If so, I would bet against this couple picking up hitchhikers, due to the fact that most with CCWs are not trusting people to begin with.

Thanks for the information.

39 posted on 08/06/2010 10:43:59 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
A little unusual they had his and hers CCW permits...
LOL! Yeah, in California where it's unususal to have even ONE CCW permit.

A little too much drama there Joe Friday.

40 posted on 08/06/2010 11:11:47 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: lewislynn
Right about CA....BTW, the victims were from OK, and were murdered in NM.

There are a lot of permits out there, but for a married couple to each have one? That's unusual regardless of what state your in...

And in this situation, it didn't seem to do either of them a lick of good....

41 posted on 08/06/2010 11:17:48 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: CedarDave
We are well armed here on Maui but they are over in California in their motor home. I have arms there further north at my sisters but they didn't want to alter their trip plans to go up there and get them so I don't think they are protected. They certainly wont be able to buy anything there, being out of state plus all the waiting periods and Calif. crappy laws.
42 posted on 08/06/2010 11:24:37 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: lewislynn

By the way, what was mentioned in #30 is exactly the first thing they’ll do, as they also go through the truck. Without video where the truck was dropped, and lacking interior forensics in the truck, the only thing left is to look at the victims backgrounds to see if they had people that wanted to hurt them. Hence the reason his and hers CCW was brought up....This will jump out at the investigators, trust me. Crime scenes from a burned out trailer would likely lack little if any evidence, that would ID the bad guy.


43 posted on 08/06/2010 11:29:24 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: CedarDave

“Gary and Linda Haas’ bodies was found “

Written by an illegal alien ???? Bodies is plural .


44 posted on 08/06/2010 11:41:53 PM PDT by sushiman (1)
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To: dragnet2

Several months ago, I ended up stopping in Las Vegas NM for gas. That’s a bit north on 25, from 40.

That little town in NM seemed inordinately rough for its size, to me. There was a heavy transient feel to it. Like you really didn’t want to break down around there. Didn’t feel safe.

I shrugged it off. But now remember, because it’s pretty close to where this attack seems to have occurred.


45 posted on 08/06/2010 11:45:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR1fDL7x1Sg)
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To: dragnet2

I have Oklahoma relatives who are couples and who both have CCWs.


46 posted on 08/07/2010 12:34:50 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: CedarDave

RIP.


47 posted on 08/07/2010 5:15:30 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: dragnet2

“A little unusual they had his and hers CCW permits...”

Not if they are from Oklahoma


48 posted on 08/07/2010 5:25:54 AM PDT by beefree
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To: Gator113

Apparently they weren’t in a state campground but somewhere isolated on a private ranch


49 posted on 08/07/2010 5:34:25 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming)
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To: dragnet2

Hubby and I live in Georgia and both have concealed carry permits. We always take at least one gun on road trips. Too many couples have been murdered in our vicinity. One nice elderly couple was hiking in the mountains and killed by what turned out to be a serial killer. Still, I half-jest that a person would have to be about two feet from me and have just announced, “I’m going to kill you” before I’d have the courage to pull the trigger. I have a feeling that shooting someone is not quite as easy as it sounds.


50 posted on 08/07/2010 6:48:59 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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