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Posted on 08/06/2010 7:48:36 PM PDT by CedarDave
State Police are investigating as a double homicide the deaths of two people whose burned bodies were found in a burned-out camper near Santa Rosa, the state Department of Public Safety said Thursday.
Gary and Linda Haas' bodies was found by a rancher in a 32-foot travel trailer about on a ranch 10 miles west of Santa Rosa and three miles north of Interstate 40. Two well-groomed dogs were also found near the camper, according to a search warrant.
State Police used the contact information on the dog tags to contact the Haases' daughter, who said the dogs belonged to her parents, the court document says.
The couple often stayed in state parks on their trip, including an area near Santa Rosa, the daughter said.
She described the couple as "very self-sufficient" and said both had concealed-carry firearms licenses.
The couple's white Chevrolet pickup pulling the camper was found in Albuquerque through OnStar, but police said there were no video surveillance cameras nearby and no witnesses who could describe any occupant of the truck.
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Illegal Aliens ?
Unlikely, going the wrong direction. However, there are two murderers on the loose from Arizona, though they too would be unlikely to be heading back west toward Arizona. More likely someone who they may have stopped to help who got the drop on them. Or could have knocked on their trailer door and subdued them.
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Repeated Lesson. Fight/flee, what ever it takes to not be removed from Crime Scene #1. Crime Scene #2 is not survivable.
Scared the crap out of me. My daughter and her boyfriend are in a camper and in that very area right now. They are over there from Maui. Prayers for this family in this tragic time.
I hope they are armed and ready to use it if necessary.
Hell is too good of a place for these murderous bloody cretins. I know this sounds very unchristian of me but i hope they go there!
Looks like they dropped the pickup at first exit going north
Oh my. This is a nasty one. Hope they catch the perps soonest. Prayers for the family.
Not sure what you mean, but I think the best chance of surviving entails not going with anyone away from a populated area. In other words, if they are going to shoot me, I'd rather fight where some one might see it happen, instead of going with the criminal to some secluded place. That is what I would hope I would do.
My wife and I leave next Friday for a traveling camping trip. We tow an Airstream trailer. I had planned to stay in a few State campgrounds to say a few bucks... maybe not now.
I would have been armed anyway, but this will remind me to maintain situational awareness a bit more. Even though my dog is “well groomed”, he is a 2 year old German Shepherd dog that has become protective of both of us, so he should also help... at least be a good alarm.
This kind of nightmare takes some of the fun out of being an American anymore.
My the couple RIP.
That is good advice that I too have given to a good many folks.
There were Public Service Programs in the late 70's on how not to be a victim and to survive encounters with bad guys. Those are long gone.
Over the years, I have taken various teenagers (males) on a tour of a actual CS1 to CS2 where there are two crosses with the names of the boy & girl who were killed. They have to be educated on just how bad some people are.
Much of the evidence, if any, will likely be located in their stolen truck, and all the video cameras along the way to Albuquerque, all the stores, fast food places and cameras where in the area where the truck was dumped.
I really hope they catch those responsible...This was really a nasty crime.
If this was in the middle of now where....How did the murderers get there? Was a second vehicle involved?
If this was in the middle of *no* where....How did the murderers get there? Was a second vehicle involved?
This is more like the American West a hundred and fifty years ago. There seem to be those who will prey on others in every generation and in every generation they must be beaten back, so the the world will not fall into darkness.
My hunch is they were either car jacked and made to drive to this remote location or, there was a second vehicle involved that was used by the bad guys to reach their remote location.
Either way, there has to be some video or witnesses in the area the truck was dropped....Nice truck, big crew cab....Hard to miss.
This is a particularly bad crime.
Authorities say Gary and Linda Haas are the owners of the truck and trailer, but do not know yet if they are the victims.
The pickup truck, which was determined to be hauling the trailer, was found nearly two hours away in Albuquerque.
Kills them in the camper and drives. Pulls off Interstate down dirt road to dump/burn camper. Drive vehicle to home turf and abandon.
They had dogs and were possibly armed. I’m going to guess that they knew or were expecting whoever killed them.
Only several hundred miles from Juarez Mexico...A really nasty violent place...
A little unusual they had his and hers CCW permits...
Sounds like they had guns.
Possibly armed, but not on person.
Dogs were wimps and just under the feet, not of concern by the actor(s).
"Just do what he says" is bad advice by the MSM & cops.
Prayers for y’all to have a safe and enjoyable trip, Gator113.
My husband and I thought about doing the same, but we’ve decided it’s probably better to just leave the camper at home and pay for accomodations along the way.
It’s a shame that we have come to a point in this country where it’s almost necessary to be wary of all strangers regardless of how friendly, and harmless, they may seem to be.
I wouldn’t assume that. Seems they traveled around a lot, camped in state parks. Probably just did it as a point of caution given their traveling style.
This was really remote per the article. It's my thinking they both had CCWs, but possible not in hand. However even wimpy dogs bark...Especially in the middle of nowhere, where even small sounds can be heard...If this was the case, you'd think they would have had time to arm themselves and prepare....
Yup. When you’re out like that you have to be prepared to forcefully defend yourself. I recall the same thing has happened to older couples in campgrounds in Oregon a few times in the past. The motive is usually a drifter (a jail escapee or other wanted individual) looking to steal the folks’ vehicle and perhaps some cash to move some distance in a short amount of time. My wife and I like to camp in out of the way primitive campgrounds and usually we go in mid week when there is almost nobody else around. But anytime we’re out in the sticks I pack. So far we have not had occasion to do more than kindly suggest a time or to that we don’t wish to have any company.
Not sure if anyone has answered some of your questions, responded to your comments.
The area where the truck was dumped is a mixture of industrial/residential. Not a lot of fast food places, etc. The article mentions there were not any nearby video cameras to assist.
Santa Rosa is on I-40, so they could have been hitchhiking. The dump spot is a bit off of I-25.
It is getting so that one doesn’t feel safe anywhere. This happened just a day or 2 ago in Amarillo:
I was thinking along the route west to Albuquerque, and into Albuquerque. They could have stopped for some reason. It's really surprising how many businesses have video nowadays...If you look closely at the pic up thread, of the truck, it appears to be dumped in a shopping center...Do I have that right?
The article mentions there were not any nearby video cameras to assist.
I was reading this article here and it did not mention that. :http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=12941053
Please note, some times they provide bad info or disinformation in the news so the suspects don't jackrabbit....If the bad guys read they have good video, they will likely take off from the area.
Santa Rosa is on I-40, so they could have been hitchhiking. The dump spot is a bit off of I-25.
You mean the suspect was possibly hitchhiking?
If so, I would bet against this couple picking up hitchhikers, due to the fact that most with CCWs are not trusting people to begin with.
Thanks for the information.
A little unusual they had his and hers CCW permits...LOL! Yeah, in California where it's unususal to have even ONE CCW permit.
A little too much drama there Joe Friday.
There are a lot of permits out there, but for a married couple to each have one? That's unusual regardless of what state your in...
And in this situation, it didn't seem to do either of them a lick of good....
By the way, what was mentioned in #30 is exactly the first thing they’ll do, as they also go through the truck. Without video where the truck was dropped, and lacking interior forensics in the truck, the only thing left is to look at the victims backgrounds to see if they had people that wanted to hurt them. Hence the reason his and hers CCW was brought up....This will jump out at the investigators, trust me. Crime scenes from a burned out trailer would likely lack little if any evidence, that would ID the bad guy.
“Gary and Linda Haas’ bodies was found “
Written by an illegal alien ???? Bodies is plural .
Several months ago, I ended up stopping in Las Vegas NM for gas. That’s a bit north on 25, from 40.
That little town in NM seemed inordinately rough for its size, to me. There was a heavy transient feel to it. Like you really didn’t want to break down around there. Didn’t feel safe.
I shrugged it off. But now remember, because it’s pretty close to where this attack seems to have occurred.
I have Oklahoma relatives who are couples and who both have CCWs.
“A little unusual they had his and hers CCW permits...”
Not if they are from Oklahoma
Apparently they weren’t in a state campground but somewhere isolated on a private ranch
Hubby and I live in Georgia and both have concealed carry permits. We always take at least one gun on road trips. Too many couples have been murdered in our vicinity. One nice elderly couple was hiking in the mountains and killed by what turned out to be a serial killer. Still, I half-jest that a person would have to be about two feet from me and have just announced, “I’m going to kill you” before I’d have the courage to pull the trigger. I have a feeling that shooting someone is not quite as easy as it sounds.