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Setback Delays ‘Top Kill’ Effort to Seal Leaking Oil Well in Gulf
The New York Times ^ | 5/27/10 | CLIFFORD KRAUSS, JOHN M. BRODER and LIZ ROBBINS

Posted on 05/27/2010 2:03:28 PM PDT by moose2004

HOUSTON — BP had to halt its ambitious effort to plug its stricken oil well in the Gulf of Mexico on Thursday afternoon when engineers saw that too much of the drilling fluid they were injecting into the well was escaping along with the leaking crude oil.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; obamasfault; oilspill; topkill
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1 posted on 05/27/2010 2:03:28 PM PDT by moose2004
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To: moose2004

WEll the LA Times is reporting that the spill is plugged. Well that was before the speech. Speech is over....


2 posted on 05/27/2010 2:04:16 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: moose2004

it went awry almost to the very second that The One claimed that he was “in charge”.


3 posted on 05/27/2010 2:06:42 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: moose2004

So why do we have the rest of the media out there claiming “It worked!?” Oh, I guess they were just feeling overly exhuberant from the Street Punk’s presser.


4 posted on 05/27/2010 2:08:43 PM PDT by MissesBush (Stay angry--right through November)
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To: moose2004
When they first announced that the top-fill worked this morning, I tweeted that maybe I had seen too many disaster movies but don't they always think the fix worked right before the entire thing blows?

Cut to the control room celebration scene with the one skeptical tech starting at his computer monitor with a frown on his face and shaking his head ever so slightly. Then he looks up and says, "Jim, I think you better take a look at this.".

5 posted on 05/27/2010 2:09:44 PM PDT by Pete (exponential problems require exponential solutions : 29thday.org)
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To: moose2004

the truth is gushing out


6 posted on 05/27/2010 2:09:55 PM PDT by bsf2009
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To: moose2004

The Live Feed still shows oil leaking like crazy...

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html


7 posted on 05/27/2010 2:10:21 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: MissesBush
So why do we have the rest of the media out there claiming “It worked!?”

Because The One spoke.

So shall it be written, so shall it be done.

8 posted on 05/27/2010 2:10:41 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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To: moose2004
This sucks, but the one ray of light is that Obama took credit for stopping it, then it turns out it's not stopped.
9 posted on 05/27/2010 2:13:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: Freddd

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!! I said that earlier.


10 posted on 05/27/2010 2:16:03 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: moose2004
"Political Bull$hit" for $2000 Alex.

0bama's latest inane, Narcissistic rambling.

What is: "Daddy, did you plug the hole yet?"

11 posted on 05/27/2010 2:16:06 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: moose2004

If they have fractured the bed formation.....which was a worry......it’s the relief wells or nothing. Just damn.


12 posted on 05/27/2010 2:16:30 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: moose2004

This rather incomplete article bodes potential serious ill for the procedure. An earlier article, posted here on FR, the link for which I do not have, stated that successful mud injection could be easier said than done because the mud might be leaking out of the bore through cracks in brittle rock formations, in which case the mud would be essentially consumed trying to fill a nearly infinite void. One of the problems with this well, also mentioned in an earlier article, is that BP sped up drilling to reduce costs and started cracking brittle formations. If that speed drilling and accompanying cracking continued until the day of the blowout, then a lot of the mud just might be wasted, meaning the plugging will take a lot longer than hoped for.


13 posted on 05/27/2010 2:18:29 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: ScreamingFist

I wondered why some of the matter leaking from the well was very light colored and some was much darker. I know that sounds elementary because I am no engineer, but it just didn’t look right.


14 posted on 05/27/2010 2:20:04 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: Pete

LOL!


15 posted on 05/27/2010 2:20:28 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Bigun; razorback-bert; TWfromTEXAS; lentulusgracchus; CedarDave; stevie_d_64; Xenalyte

This could be bad.


16 posted on 05/27/2010 2:20:29 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon ("I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!" ~ MNJohnnie, FReeper)
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To: jerry557

I don’t know why so many on FR are so desperate to believe any so called “good news” yet they dismiss what other experts world wide are saying. It’s weird. I’m tired of providing links and evidence. I’ll just wait until they can no longer deny it and say I told you so. If I’m wrong, they WOO HOO. I live in FL, I want it stopped immediately but I’m not going to to pretend it’s all okay when it’s not.


17 posted on 05/27/2010 2:21:05 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: libstripper

“This rather incomplete article bodes potential serious ill for the procedure.”

Damn! I feel so sorry for the citizens of the Gulf States. Do you know if any credible organization has started a relief fund yet?


18 posted on 05/27/2010 2:22:45 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: JohnBrowdie

hahah. Good point. Everything this guy touches turns to pure crap.


19 posted on 05/27/2010 2:22:54 PM PDT by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated public is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: mojitojoe

What are experts world-wide saying?


20 posted on 05/27/2010 2:23:37 PM PDT by Pantera
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To: moose2004

21 posted on 05/27/2010 2:24:46 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( - Free Men will always be armed with the Truth. -)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

And everyone: you can stop taking about BP pumping cement into the hole to plug the well. I know it’s difficult for most to envision what’s going on down there. But this isn’t a simplification of the situation: you have a pipe sticking straight up the air and it’s flowing 10 gallons per minute out the top. You stick a tube down the pipe and start pumping cement. Question: how long for the cement to harden? Answer: never. The cement is going to mix with the water and flow out the end of the pipe. Honest...I didn’t dumb down this example. That’s exactly what would happen if the pumped cmt down the blow out if it were still flowing. No one has ever set a cement plug into a flowing well in the history of the oil business. But you can shove a packer down a producing csg string and stop or at least slow a flow considerably. But can’t shove a packer down this hole: can’t get it through the BOP. And if you could there’s drill pipe in the way.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6516


22 posted on 05/27/2010 2:25:02 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: moose2004

I’ve been following the discussion over here:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6516#more

Some real problems it sounds like...


23 posted on 05/27/2010 2:26:00 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Without the Constitution, there is no America!)
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To: mojitojoe
I don’t know why so many on FR are so desperate to believe any so called “good news” yet they dismiss what other experts world wide are saying.

Joe, your post literally brings tears man, everyone, everywhere wants this to work. We all know what happens if this beast goes uncontrolled for the next 3-6 months.

24 posted on 05/27/2010 2:28:21 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: moose2004

Obamie claiming credit jinxed the whole thing.


25 posted on 05/27/2010 2:31:19 PM PDT by Ancient Drive (DRINK COFFEE! - Do Stupid Things Faster with More Energy!)
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To: ScreamingFist

You mean it could take up to 6 months to stop the oil and gas? I thought the relief wells would be done by the first of August.


26 posted on 05/27/2010 2:31:56 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: JohnBrowdie

LOL! Serves him right.


27 posted on 05/27/2010 2:34:13 PM PDT by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: mojitojoe
Gee thanks! I've only been in the oilfield since 1968, my dad in the mid 50’s and his father from before WWII. Who the hell EVER said they could set a plug before the well was killed?
28 posted on 05/27/2010 2:38:49 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon ("I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!" ~ MNJohnnie, FReeper)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

I have a question, is that all/mostly oil that we see coming out of the pipe on the live feed?


29 posted on 05/27/2010 2:49:15 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: smokingfrog

The tube is spraying the dispersant again(right corner of feed) so the oil is still leaking and it appears to be coming out at an increased rate.


30 posted on 05/27/2010 2:50:02 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mojitojoe
Honest...I didn’t dumb down this example.

And every engineer/oilfield hand knows you can't pump cement on an active well. Unfortunately, every socialite from new york to la are now all oil field engineers......if we are to believe the ny times.

31 posted on 05/27/2010 2:50:07 PM PDT by ScreamingFist
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To: jerry557

Is that oil or is it mud?


32 posted on 05/27/2010 2:51:38 PM PDT by a real Sheila (Just my 2 cents!)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

Probably 75-80% of the watchers think you can just plug it with cement before it’s killed.


33 posted on 05/27/2010 2:52:07 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mojitojoe

I have a question, is that all/mostly oil that we see coming out of the pipe on the live feed?


34 posted on 05/27/2010 2:53:25 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

Well since you’re the expert here on FR, :) what do you think? Did the top kill fail? Is there another leak elsewhere and how did they underestimate the amount of oil leaking for one solid month? Or did they just choose not to admit it? Did you work on rigs in the ocean that were under a mile of water?


35 posted on 05/27/2010 2:55:38 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mojitojoe

so the hole is not plugged right?

is the media now saying it is not if true?

sorry not been up to date on this as I have been busy on another tonka toy and his troll pal.


36 posted on 05/27/2010 2:57:19 PM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: ScreamingFist

The ocean is 100’ out my back door. Hurricane season is approaching. I was just sitting out there looking at the turquoise water and watching the Snapper, tropicals and lobster, wondering what is going to happen. I desperately want it fixed but I’m not going to pretend it’s ok if it’s not. I just want the truth so if they can’t stop it until August, let us know so we can begin NOW to attempt to prevent it from reaching the shores and to protect the coral reefs.


37 posted on 05/27/2010 2:59:34 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mojitojoe

another question, hope you don’t mind pal

is this has failed then how long could we be looking at as it will destroy our state and I guarantee that bozo will be crapping it seeing as we are a massive state and a swing state , infact he can’t win without our state and he knows

you’re further south than me so I assume you’ll see the damage before me too.


38 posted on 05/27/2010 3:00:00 PM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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Hi Manc,
Read here:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6516


39 posted on 05/27/2010 3:00:20 PM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: moose2004
I have no idea. It looks like drilling mud, but it is more weight material and less chemicals than anything I would have seen. The color APPEARS to be all mud, but the lighting and lack of chemicals could throw off what I think I am seeing.
40 posted on 05/27/2010 3:00:55 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon ("I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!" ~ MNJohnnie, FReeper)
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To: mojitojoe
Probably 75-80% of the watchers think you can just plug it with cement before it’s killed.

Probably 99% of FReepers have never been near a drilling rig.

41 posted on 05/27/2010 3:02:09 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon ("I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!" ~ MNJohnnie, FReeper)
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To: mojitojoe

cheers pal


42 posted on 05/27/2010 3:02:42 PM PDT by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: moose2004

I think it is fair speculation that this attempt has not been successful, yet. Based on everything I’ve read today and observed, a very small amount of the mud being pumped, has actually been forced down the well. There is nothing conclusive that I’ve seen or read, to suggest that the attempt has been successful. It remains an open question.


43 posted on 05/27/2010 3:08:22 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

I just finished watching most of the BP news conference at 5:30 and was struck by the fact that the rep kept talking about including “bridging material” in the mud mixture when pumping is resumed later tonight. This leads me to believe (I have no way of knowing this for sure) that they have determined that they are in fact loosing mud to the formation as well as out through the leaking BOP. If that is true then the location and size of that down hole communication will determine whether or not this procedure will, in the end, succeed or fail.

Being retired and as far away as I am from the operation and having no better information than anyone else here, I am only guessing at this point and need to make that plain.


44 posted on 05/27/2010 3:09:49 PM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

Thank you for that info.


45 posted on 05/27/2010 3:12:16 PM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: mojitojoe
Well since you’re the expert here on FR, :) what do you think? Did the top kill fail? Is there another leak elsewhere and how did they underestimate the amount of oil leaking for one solid month? Or did they just choose not to admit it? Did you work on rigs in the ocean that were under a mile of water?

Well since I'm the expert my fee is 1500 USD a day and expenses.

I don't think it failed, they knew it would take days to find out. They are pumping mud into a T with one end open. They have to pump so much that enough mud goes down the well bore to kill the well while they are loosing so much out the open end.

I have no idea how much they are leaking every day. Why should they care? Will it help solve the problem? That is as dumb a question as the MSM asking how many were killed in an earthquake hours after it happens while efforts to dig people out is ongoing. Knowing the answer will not help solve the problem and only those not involved in solving the leak care.

No I never worked in a mile of water, have you? I know thousands of great drilling men who have not.

46 posted on 05/27/2010 3:12:35 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon ("I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!" ~ MNJohnnie, FReeper)
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To: Bigun
I just finished watching most of the BP news conference at 5:30 and was struck by the fact that the rep kept talking about including “bridging material” in the mud mixture when pumping is resumed later tonight. This leads me to believe (I have no way of knowing this for sure) that they have determined that they are in fact loosing mud to the formation as well as out through the leaking BOP. If that is true then the location and size of that down hole communication will determine whether or not this procedure will, in the end, succeed or fail.

Well, at least you're not bashing the doubting posters, who say it's not a done deal yet. Many have been attacking doubters as being quite stoopid.
47 posted on 05/27/2010 3:15:44 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: Pete

So now it will be spun this way: BP got mad at Obama claiming victory, at which point they sabotaged the effort


48 posted on 05/27/2010 3:19:38 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

I’ve been on one as a tour guest. Still have only a very rudimentary idea how it works. The drill in question was one of the most advanced on the planet so this maybe beyond our current level of solving.


49 posted on 05/27/2010 3:23:20 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: moose2004

I saved my applause when the media was immediately reporting it to be a success and I will save my tears as the media starts screaming FAILURE!
The “MFM” knows this is THE TOP story and they are all very eager to be the FIRST with the latest scoop.
Before they even started, BP said it would take awhile and there would be stuff spewing for awhile, colors changing, etc.


50 posted on 05/27/2010 3:27:16 PM PDT by a real Sheila (Just my 2 cents!)
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