Posted on 05/07/2010 9:01:18 PM PDT by PilotDave
As someone that has studied the COLB from the beginning I’d like to know how her analysis jives with Polarik’s....
and how it doesn’t....
If any of the legal eagles can figure out some way to force the laws to be followed, I am delighted and offer anything I’ve got to that most worthy goal.
There has been a lot of monkey business at the OIP even with how Cathy Takase got the directorship after former OIP director Paul Tsukiyama was offered a high-ranking position by the corporation on whose board of directors Fukino sits (this happened shortly after Leo Donofrio said he would request that Tsukiyama take disciplinary action against both Fukino and Okubo).
If the OIP ever takes up these issues, I am sure they will interpret however they have to in order to cover everybody’s arses. They have not shown themselves trustworthy.
>Has the Constitutionality of that law been challenged? It certainly should be.
I’m trying to do that right now; though it seems to me that my best option is to violate 30-7-2.4, be charged with the petty misdemeanor, and present my case against the law in court. I’ve called around: police, state AG, state supreme court, State Bar Assn. Each of the listed referred me to another place.
>But it’s one more example where we can have what is supposedly a binding law (state Constitution) and in plain sight of everybody it can be broken by the legislature.
Indeed. It pisses me off because it’s a violation of the Law of Non-contradiction {in Logic the axiom that a statement cannot be simultaneously true and false}. It is my belief that such contradictions are being used to coerce people. I.E. making the charge “You’re breaking the law!” always true, in some manner of speaking.
>The Hawaii HDOH is not even pretending to follow their laws at this point - nor is the OIP, ombudsman, HI legislature, governor, attorney general, US attorney, or the department of public safety.
It seems to me that a LOT of government is not even pretending to follow their own rules; but woe to you or I should we not follow their rules!
>That should be problematic to everybody but a strict anarchist.
Indeed, it’s even more problematic to me because of my training/education [computer programmer] as well a being an affront to rational thinking & philosophy.
It would also seem to be newsworthy... what is the motto, "it is the duty of a newspaper to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable"?
The HDOH has also confirmed 2 key facts which, when analyzed according to the laws, other evidence, and logic, prove that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery - and that Obama’s real BC is amended and thus Fukino cannot make a legal conclusion about the accuracy of anything claimed on the BC.
Lingle REALLY needs to get her facts straight. We know she claimed that Fukino stated Kapiolani was the birth place when Fukino said nothing of the sort. What Fukino said - which was even more than she’s legally authorized to say - is that they have multiple birth records for Obama and at least one of them claims he was born in Hawaii.
I wish you success. These are the battles we have to confront, and they’re showing up all over the place. Lawlessness on the part of government, media, and law enforcement is a deadly cancer and it will kill us if we don’t (literally) cut it out.
Here is what 338-18a says:
§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.
Here's what §338-18b says:
(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
Part g says:
(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is: (followed by a list that does not include you or me)
I don't see where the State of Hawaii allows "non-certified abbreviated copies", they do however allow, to certain parties with a legitimate interest, to receive verification:
[§338-14.3] Verification in lieu of a certified copy. (a) Subject to the requirements of section 338-18, the department of health, upon request, shall furnish to any applicant, in lieu of the issuance of a certified copy, a verification of the existence of a certificate and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event that pertains to the certificate.
(b) A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant.
(c) Verification may be made in written, electronic, or other form approved by the director of health.
It looks to me like a verification is not a "non-certified abbreviated copy" of anything, just a statement that something exists and the stated facts about that something are correct.
There’s a whole ‘nother story about the news media. We already know that Factcheck - a supposedly reliable news organization - actually participated in the COLB forgery.
There’s another story coming down the pike showing that the media was directly involved in another hoax.
When all the information is in we will find out that every claim Anderson Cooper made in some way involves the media collaborating with the HDOH and other governmental entities to perpetrate a hoax. Every one.
The only free speech that will save this country is the speech which shows these liars for what they really are: treasonous crooks.
Blah. Blah. Blah.
I wish BOR would try the same and again showed the door!!
However, to to be able to come on the Communist National Network is a huge accomplishment in the right direction to bring the scandalous issue to the forefront!!!
Now we are just waiting for the knee-weak (NONE Semper Fidelis) ex military here to play JAG's on their computer???
Perhaps its a misapprehension of the law?
I specifically said that the DOH rules authorize the release of non-certified abbreviated certificates to anyone who asks for them. Page 20 at http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/8%208A%20B%20VR%20Admin%20Rules.pdf .
HRS 338-18a only forbids disclosures that are NOT authorized by statutes or rules. This disclosure is authorized by the rules. The rules that Fukino illegally hid until November of 2009. Why do you think she did that?
Soon or later this case is going to break open, and all hell will break loose!!!
‘So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it’s again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this.’
Please show me the news release that states Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital. This is another lie which should make a reasonable person question what the heck is going on when the Governor of Hawaii doesn't even know what press release was issued and misquotes it as a fact.
If he was born in Kapiolani Hospital as the Governor says, let them release the whole long form BC. Until then I will question Authority all I want and you can believe Hawaii DOH or Obama or those who worship moon rocks, or whoever else you want to. Please tell me how a Medical Doctor can declare someone a Natural Born Citizen from a Birth Certificate unless that BC shows birthplace of Obama's father (and mother)as USA? If his BC shows his fathers birthplace as USA then who does it show as his father? That would make the (Obama) COLB a fraud. Why should I believe anyone (DOH)and anything they say who makes such a false statement?
As far as your legal research, we have a difference of opinion that can only be decided by the US Supreme Court, what you think or I think doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.
That big corporation, according to The Post & Email here
would appear to be the Hawaii Health Information Corporation. According to Hawaii Health Information Corporation's website here
http://hhic.org/our-members.asp
one of the HHIC's "data provider" members is
Kapiolani Medical Center at Pali Momi*** - www.kapiolani.org
Perhaps it's a small world after all...
:-(
You sound many times like S.T., is she you mother???
Here is an analysis by someone who does have verifiable credentials.
http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html
I do, BTW, have enough professional experience with PhotoShop to qualify as an expert.
I am interested in your opinion not something I have already read and have refuted.
The references you've cited to Hawaiian law indicate that you (or I) don't have the right to the information you've requested.
Besides that analysis is not recent.
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