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The Problem With Palin
American Spectator ^ | April 19, 2010 | Quin Hillyer

Posted on 04/19/2010 5:52:15 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: DLfromthedesert
Nonsense. With the exception of Cheney as VP, Forbes would have pulled cabinet members and advisors from the exact same pool of conservative Republicans as Bush did.

Bush has an MBA in economics from Yale and is greatly admired by Forbes. And Forbes would have had the exact same media treatment for eight solid years as Bush got with the only difference being Forbes and his family would have been relentlessly mocked for their looks.

Apparently you bought into the anti-Bush propaganda.

251 posted on 04/19/2010 10:23:16 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: DLfromthedesert

I was initially intrigued by Forbes. I think it became clear after a while that he was a fiscal but not a social conservative.

A real conservative is both. My memory’s foggy, though, so I could be wrong about the man. I hope I am.

I simply cannot support a pro-choice politician. Ever.


252 posted on 04/19/2010 10:29:33 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Sudetenland
[Most of the folks here that are attacking you and the article probably didn't even read it.]

Yeah, that's a great way to start a reasoned argument. /s.

253 posted on 04/19/2010 10:31:54 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: rbmillerjr
From the home page...

"Over 300,000 people have registered for posting privileges on Free Republic since inception in 1996."

As I recall, the time that a "whom do you support" poll was conducted her Palin garnered a little over 100 votes. That's about 0.000333% of those who have signed on here.

btw...when did I ever write that I hate palin? Please use my own words....I'll wait.

254 posted on 04/19/2010 10:38:12 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: tarheelswamprat

Excellent assessment - many thanks.


255 posted on 04/19/2010 10:41:21 AM PDT by sarah fan UK
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To: wtc911
There's a winning argument...She quit an elected position to open her own business.

If it turns out that she quit to prepare for a presidential run, that would make it a good move in my book. I think most reasonable people would agree.

256 posted on 04/19/2010 10:41:27 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: editor-surveyor
Palin does not have 55% disapproval, as TV ratings on all the programs on which she appears demonstrate quite well

PPP has Sarah Palin's disapproval is currently at 52% , which is about the same as 0bama'a disapproval from Rasmussen, and she is only 2% behind 0bama in the polls for 2012 according to PPP.
And that is despite 0bama getting near 100% positive coverage from the lamestream media, even as Sarah Palin continues to get near 100% negative coverage from the media. Palin's disapproval numbers have improved from previous PPP polling and is getting better, even as 0bozo's disapproval numbers continue to sink. Palin has already done through the worst and is ona strong recovery track, whiole 0bama has plenty of room to fall, as the shield provided him by the lamestream media gets penetrated.

257 posted on 04/19/2010 10:48:06 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: MNJohnnie

LOL! Too bad the truth offends you.


258 posted on 04/19/2010 10:51:27 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: FreeReign
If it turns out that she quit to prepare for a presidential run, that would make it a good move in my book. I think most reasonable people would agree.

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If it turns out that, as you suggest, she quit to prepare for a run at the WH it would mean that the excuses she gave were lies. It would mean that her oath of office was trumped by ambition. It would give the msm a genuine "do you mean what you say now or did you mean what you said before?" angle of attack.

I think that most reasonable people would agree.

259 posted on 04/19/2010 10:53:56 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: EveningStar
PALIN RESIGNATION SHOULD BE a major warning to those who, in mind-numbingly unconservative fashion, denigrate the importance of government experience -- those like Palin herself, who write that "government experience doesn't necessarily count for much."

The term "government experience" is a general term, it doesn't describe any specific skill.

What specific skill is Sarah missing because she resigned from her office 14 months early?

260 posted on 04/19/2010 10:54:00 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: rbmillerjr

Since you cannot name anybody who has quit an elected position mid term and then later waged a successful campaign for higher office you do that which you do so well...obfuscate and insult.


261 posted on 04/19/2010 10:57:56 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: xzins; JohnnyM
I think she had political and financial reasons that were far better handled in the lower 48.

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iow...her political and financial ambitions were better served by quitting her elected position.

262 posted on 04/19/2010 11:00:12 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: EveningStar

Oooh-Weee. You think you found a real nugget there.

Sorry. Life experience and experience in self-governence.

Far different from what we have today.


263 posted on 04/19/2010 11:00:32 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: driftless2
If it’s a choice between her and Obama, well naturally there is no choice. <<

and if it's a choice between:

1. Palin
2.Romney
3.Jindel
4.Paul
5.Huckabee
6.McCain

You pick who???????

264 posted on 04/19/2010 11:00:57 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Book yes. Speech no. Why? Are they supposed to make me think she can predict the future? My prediction is she will sit out 2012 and scope out 2016. Don’t think I’m right? Have you read my Ouija Board? It is as good as anyone else’s.


265 posted on 04/19/2010 11:03:38 AM PDT by csmusaret (If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin, it must be Obama!)
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To: wtc911
If it turns out that she quit to prepare for a presidential run, that would make it a good move in my book. I think most reasonable people would agree.

If it turns out that, as you suggest, she quit to prepare for a run at the WH it would mean that the excuses she gave were lies.

She didn't lie. She said she was not retreating and that she was going to take the fight to them, from another direction. Do I need to find the exact quote for you?

As I said, if it turns out that she quit to prepare for a possible presidential run, that would make it a good move in my book.

It would mean that her oath of office was trumped by ambition.

No it wouldn't. Politicians leave office mid term to take on greater roles all the time. One who stays in a less valuable roll instead of moving on to a more valuable service isn't doing anybody a favor except to those who hate this country.

266 posted on 04/19/2010 11:06:02 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Lazamataz
I’m a hit piece.

LOL.

267 posted on 04/19/2010 11:06:08 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: MNJohnnie; EveningStar

*crickets*


268 posted on 04/19/2010 11:08:30 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: wtc911
Since you cannot name anybody who has quit an elected position mid term and then later waged a successful campaign for higher office...

What is so noble about one who stays in a full-time office, while at the same time, they try to run for a higher office?

The answer of course is that it isn't noble.

269 posted on 04/19/2010 11:10:02 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: onyx

;) winky winky ;)


270 posted on 04/19/2010 11:11:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: MNJohnnie

Good post Johnnie!


271 posted on 04/19/2010 11:11:42 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
Also, her un-son-in-law, Levi, who will be paid to cause trouble for her.

That one worries me. They will use this creep 24/7 and tie every ugly episode to her. It will cheapen a campaign and the ugliness will turn voters off. Especially those who aren't sure. Just the constant trash in every tabloid and news program would be a negative.

Of course, none of this with Levi is her fault, but that won't matter to the left.

272 posted on 04/19/2010 11:12:47 AM PDT by dforest
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To: FreeReign
Politicians leave office mid term to take on greater roles all the time...

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Really, who exactly quit an elected office in mid term?

And, please don't trot out that tired, 'left because elected to higher office' line. It doesn't fit since she was not elected to anything else.

273 posted on 04/19/2010 11:14:14 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: xzins

Forbes is pro-life.


274 posted on 04/19/2010 11:14:23 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Deb

I doubt that Forbes would have chosen Henry Paulson; and I know he was not for that bailout that McCain ran bacd to DC to vote for.


275 posted on 04/19/2010 11:16:45 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: FreeReign
What is so noble about one who stays in a full-time office, while at the same time, they try to run for a higher office?

The answer of course is that it isn't noble.

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A. That is exactly what palin did in 2008. Bear in mind that you not I declare that to be not noble.

B. After palin quit in 2009 she has gone on a book tour, started a TV career on FOX, started a TV series, been paid for speaking engagements and spoken on behalf of a select few politicians. She has not run for higher office.

276 posted on 04/19/2010 11:18:38 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911
Politicians leave office mid term to take on greater roles all the time...

Really, who exactly quit an elected office in mid term? And, please don't trot out that tired, 'left because elected to higher office' line. It doesn't fit since she was not elected to anything else.

Tired line my foot.

What is so noble about one who stays in a full-time, while they prepare for a presidential run??

277 posted on 04/19/2010 11:19:10 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: wtc911

So, you’re claiming that FR doesn’t support Palin by a big margin?


278 posted on 04/19/2010 11:19:58 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: Puppage
I would much prefer Palin in a Cabinet post.

Energy secretary.

279 posted on 04/19/2010 11:20:04 AM PDT by nutmeg (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen)
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To: MNJohnnie
The "source" for those numbers is a Huff Po Leftist who admits in his original article he simply made a guess since the state of Alaska has a number of different budgets.

Noted. Do you have different figures?

280 posted on 04/19/2010 11:20:52 AM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: DLfromthedesert; xzins
There is a great site for finding out what candidates say about nearly every topic...

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Steve_Forbes_Abortion.htm

The link takes you to Forbes' very pro-life words and writings.

281 posted on 04/19/2010 11:22:09 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

“Since you cannot name anybody who has quit an elected position mid term and then later waged a successful campaign for higher office you do that which you do so well...obfuscate and insult.”

Since your not the brightest bulb on the board...I’ll illustrate your illogical reasoning.

...name the first Black American more liberal than Mondale to wage a successful campaign for President prior to Obama...


282 posted on 04/19/2010 11:25:11 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: rbmillerjr

My post was clear. With over 300,000 registered freepers it would be impossible to declare, as you do, that a wide margin of freepers supports Palin. For all you know, the 100 or so who voted for her in the poll account for every single pro-palin freeper. It’s not likely but since there is no other data any claims you make on the question can’t be anything but quesswork and idle speculation.


283 posted on 04/19/2010 11:25:50 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: reaganaut1

284 posted on 04/19/2010 11:27:20 AM PDT by GloriaJane (Pro-Choice = Pro-Death........ Pro-Life = Pro-LIFE!)
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To: wtc911

He didn’t win the presidency, but Bob Dole resigned from his senate seat to run for President full time. He won the RNC nomination.


285 posted on 04/19/2010 11:27:48 AM PDT by rintense
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To: FreeReign
What is so noble about one who stays in a full-time, while they prepare for a presidential run??

A. Palin didn't quit when she was running for VP, did she? By your measure this was not noble.

B. Palin has not announced that she's running for anything so what are you talking about? She quit and has launched a lucrative career in media. Deal with facts please.

286 posted on 04/19/2010 11:28:20 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: rintense

I admired that. But Palin did not quit to run for VP. She quit eight months after the race was over. So, please, how are the two (Dole and Palin) comparable?


287 posted on 04/19/2010 11:30:18 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: SmokingJoe

I don’t care what PPP says, I have a brain and I can see the real world.

Presently, Palin is easily the most popular public figure in the US.

Why mess with nonsense?


288 posted on 04/19/2010 11:31:01 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
her un-son-in-law, Levi, who will be paid to cause trouble for her

Don't think he can do much even if he wanted to. He might try to provide some "inside" stories, but considering his reputation, and what a complete 15 minute of fame twit he turned out to be, I don't think he can do any lasting damage. The media will continue to do well without him in gathering all they need to destroy her.

289 posted on 04/19/2010 11:31:19 AM PDT by mupcat
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To: wtc911
What is so noble about one who stays in a full-time office, while at the same time, they try to run for a higher office? The answer of course is that it isn't noble.

A. That is exactly what palin did in 2008. Bear in mind that you not I declare that to be not noble.

It was only for two months.

B. After only two months quit in 2009 she has gone on a book tour, started a TV career on FOX, started a TV series, been paid for speaking engagements and spoken on behalf of a select few politicians. She has not run for higher office.

All the things that you list would help prepare for a presidential run.

290 posted on 04/19/2010 11:31:48 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: EveningStar

Your derangement is growing I see!
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291 posted on 04/19/2010 11:32:17 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I disagree with you.

Then you disagree with irrefutable facts:

1) Sarah Palin is an executive - The positions she has held have been executive ones, not legislative.

2) Legislators are rarely elected POTUS - Only four have been, in our history. Three Senators and one Representative.

Based on those facts, it seems you don't want Sarah to become POTUS.

292 posted on 04/19/2010 11:32:37 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: wtc911

You asked who quit to run a successful campaign. I answered your question.
No one knows what Palin’s intentions are. But if she does run, her move to the national stage is a step in the right direction. And her resigning from office in Alaska was the right thing to do, for both the people of Alaska, and the future of the USA.


293 posted on 04/19/2010 11:34:00 AM PDT by rintense
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To: TChris

We need something these “dead-enders” can comprehend.

Maybe a pic of Baghdad Bob, saying,

“There are many credible conservatives to vote for”


294 posted on 04/19/2010 11:36:03 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: rbmillerjr; wtc911

That was a thread, NOT a poll and only a little over a hundred members replied on the thread. I didn’t even see the thread.

It was not a FR poll.


295 posted on 04/19/2010 11:36:21 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: onyx
You think you found a real nugget there.

I don't know about it being a nugget, but I thought it was a relevant quote.

296 posted on 04/19/2010 11:37:55 AM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: onyx; MNJohnnie
*crickets*

No crickets. Just off doing other things.

297 posted on 04/19/2010 11:40:06 AM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: DLfromthedesert
It doesn't matter who Forbes would have chosen for Treasury, they wouldn't have seen the crisis coming and they would have had to do something to assure the worldwide financial community that they shouldn't panic and cause a worldwide depression. Which was what the TARP averted. And as Forbes has pointed out, all the banks but Citi have paid the money back...with interest...which is what the Bush people said would happen.

I don't remember Forbes running around with his hair on fire, screaming that a crisis was coming and I'm a big fan of his.

298 posted on 04/19/2010 11:41:11 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: rbmillerjr

I wont cry when Romney wins the nod. I dont think he or Palin will win the nomination. They are both DOA in my opinion.

JM


299 posted on 04/19/2010 11:42:11 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: editor-surveyor

The polls this far out from an election 3 years away, are of limited value, yes. Nevertheless, they are very useful in telling potential candidates, what their weaknesses are with voters, giving them enough time to work on any perceived weaknesses that voters think they have. Thy also let potential candidates know who their biggest opposition will be, why voters like those other candidates, and what they need t do to prise away voters from those candidates.


300 posted on 04/19/2010 11:42:24 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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