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The Problem With Palin
American Spectator ^ | April 19, 2010 | Quin Hillyer

Posted on 04/19/2010 5:52:15 AM PDT by reaganaut1

Sarah Palin, 55 percent unfavorable poll ratings notwithstanding, is a political phenomenon the likes of which American public life rarely has seen. There's something distinctive, something deeply personal, about the way her legions of strong supporters rush not just to defend her but to counter-attack any and all of her critics. Palin has a way of establishing a sense of connectedness with her backers -- such a strong, attitudinal sense that she is not just like them but one of them -- that she has created what amounts to a one-woman, conservative "identity politics" writ very, very large.

Yet if conservatives are to continue a political love affair with this admirable and galvanizing woman, we need to insist on more than mere identity. And more than mere attitude.

We know that Sarah Palin shares our conservative values. But is she the leader conservatives need?

IN HER RECENTLY RELEASED memoir, Going Rogue, Palin tells a story about how she approached the first state budget she handled as governor. It sounds like something right out of the 1993 Kevin Kline movie, Dave, except that Palin's tale is fact instead of fiction.

We worked late into the night with the warm midnight sun still pouring through my office windows....Pens in hand, we combed through the budget, line by line, page by page -- my inner nerd coming out again, just like Wasilla City Council days....I had to know what was in there, or I wasn't doing my job. We spent days trying to decipher who put in what and why. Late one night, I looked up from the table and asked our veteran staffers, "What did past governors do? How did they get through these budgets with so little detail?" "They didn't," was the response.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


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To: Lazamataz

Reagan had three decades of experience on her. But you are correct as far as it goes.


151 posted on 04/19/2010 8:12:11 AM PDT by Chuckster (Domari nolo!)
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To: reaganaut1; 2nd Amendment; 2ndDivisionVet; 9YearLurker; andy58-in-nh; Arizona Carolyn; ...

Trash like this article is an embarrassment here.

Palin does not have 55% disapproval, as TV ratings on all the programs on which she appears demonstrate quite well.

America has already chosen her as our next president, and that is what has the Status Quo harpies shedding feathers.

The only ‘problem’ with Palin is that she is not yet in the oval office. (but she will be in 2013)


152 posted on 04/19/2010 8:13:17 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: MNJohnnie

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“Odd how every one of these Palin hit pieces involves the author telling us what they personally feel about Palin, not any reasoned argument against her.”

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Not really odd at all when you consider that feelings are all they have to work with; the facts are all on Palin’s side.
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153 posted on 04/19/2010 8:15:14 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: rintense

GOOD POST! I second your opinion!


154 posted on 04/19/2010 8:15:18 AM PDT by Republic (Stop the horrific liberals from spending ONE MORE DIME before they destroy our nation.)
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To: editor-surveyor
America has already chosen her as our next president

I wasn't aware she was running and don't recall getting a vote.
155 posted on 04/19/2010 8:17:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Oprah, Jennifer Anniston, Lady GaGa, Beyonce, Tom Cruise and several other “celebrities” can draw crowds. None has any chance of being President.

I will admit that Palin’s followers worship her. And, that is a powerful benefit in any election. No one will get more out of her supporters than she. However, despite her zealous support, her supporters are clearly outnumbered by those who do not support her.

156 posted on 04/19/2010 8:17:04 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: reaganaut1

All I can say is good thing Ronald Reagan didn’t run for office in this media age. He never would have gotten elected as he would have been “Quayled” or “Palined” right out of the gate. That’s because people are too willing to be spoon-fed what the media tells them rather than do any independent thinking on their own.


157 posted on 04/19/2010 8:18:00 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 125 days away from outliving Francis Gary Powers)
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To: MBB1984

“Oprah, Jennifer Anniston, Lady GaGa, Beyonce, Tom Cruise and several other “celebrities” can draw crowds. None has any chance of being President.”

Thanks for the great example of reductio aburdum fallacy.


158 posted on 04/19/2010 8:20:59 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I’m not talking about Congressional elections. In the last 30 years there have been 8 Presidential elections. We won 5 and the Dems won 3. I don’t see that as running rings around us. Anyway, my point was and is that two and a half years in advance is way to early to rule any candidate in or out. If there ever was a case of peaking too early, I am afraid Sarah Palin may be a prime example. Of course she may not even have any intention of running in 2012. No way for you or me to know.


159 posted on 04/19/2010 8:21:31 AM PDT by csmusaret (If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin, it must be Obama!)
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To: editor-surveyor

I appreciate that her presence on the public stage has made EVERYONE’S true colors come out—not just the “liberals’.”


160 posted on 04/19/2010 8:22:48 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (When I survey the wondrous cross...)
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To: MBB1984

“Oprah, Jennifer Anniston, Lady GaGa, Beyonce, Tom Cruise and several other “celebrities” can draw crowds. None has any chance of being President.”

Thanks for the great example of reductio aburdum fallacy.


161 posted on 04/19/2010 8:23:44 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: driftless2

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“I share Hillyer’s concern about Palin’s lack of experience, but I also feel with just a little more experience on the national level (senator for instance) Palin would make a great candidate”

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Would you like to think about that ridiculous statement?

Time spent in congress is a huge DISQUALIFIER for the presidency. We desperately need a constitutional ammendment prohibiting congressmen from becoming presidents!

BUsiness experience is the best qualifier, and without it one cannot be an effective leader of a nation.
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162 posted on 04/19/2010 8:24:42 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: MBB1984
I will admit that Palin’s followers worship her

Will you also admit you hate her and therefore are every bit as guilty of doing what you accuse Palin supporters of doing?

Will you admit that your respond to any thread is based on your personal feelings about Palin, that you are not even bothering to actually look at the data?

This is the most obnoxious habit of you Palin haters. You all accuse anyone who disagrees with you of "worshiping her" while total ignoring the emotion based source of your position on her.

It is very hypocritical of you all to lecture everyone when you all are guilty of the very same sort of mindset when it comes to opposition to her.

Finally, If those of you who dislike her are so sure there is such an overwhelming huge majority who hate Palin as much as you all do, why are you wasting so much time and bandwith slandering her?

163 posted on 04/19/2010 8:26:41 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: Walkingfeather

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“They do not like Palin because they haven’t found a way to compromise her”

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Yes, that is 99% of the motivation of the PDSers.
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164 posted on 04/19/2010 8:26:54 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
America has already chosen her as our next president, and that is what has the Status Quo harpies shedding feathers.

I'm not only up with that, I'm down with that, too!

165 posted on 04/19/2010 8:29:17 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: editor-surveyor
We desperately need a constitutional ammendment prohibiting congressmen from becoming presidents!

Okay, now you're just being silly. Does that mean that, for example, Mitt Romney or Charlie Crist would be a better choice than Fred Thompson or Michelle Bachman?

166 posted on 04/19/2010 8:30:03 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: hampdenkid
Interesting that he should start out with a Jefferson quote to launch his attack on Sarah’s “inexperience.” Now let’s see ... exactly how much experience did Old Tom have in running a government.

Seriously? Lets see.... Before he was elected President, Jefferson was Governor of the largest American state for four years (under the Articles of Confederation, when Governors were more important than any national officers), Secretary of State for three and a half years, and Vice President for four years. Does that not cut it?

By the way, the quote was from Patrick Henry, not Thomas Jefferson. Henry also had quite a bit of experience in government.
167 posted on 04/19/2010 8:32:06 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Governor Palin is a wonderful person and top notch in my book; she would however be better suited for the time being as a US Senator for about six years...

Nope.

Sarah is already an executive, and legislators rarely become POTUS.

168 posted on 04/19/2010 8:35:44 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Lazamataz

Sounds like Palin is as unqualified as Reagan. Liberals and elitists still spew spittle when they say his name. I’m looking forward to the same for Palin in another 10-15 years.

Let’s hope you and I will still be here to see it....


169 posted on 04/19/2010 8:36:15 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: hampdenkid

Correction, Jefferson was Governor for three years. But those three years were during wartime, when governors had a great deal power and responsibility over military affairs.


170 posted on 04/19/2010 8:38:11 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: hampdenkid
Interesting that he should start out with a Jefferson quote to launch his attack on Sarah's "inexperience". Now let's see ... exactly how much experience did Old Tom have in running a government?

Perchance you refer to the Patrick Henry citation?
And for the record, "Old Tom", prior to being elected our third President, served as Vice President, Sec of State, Governor of Virginia; Delegate to the Virginia Assembly.
State your case, for or against Mr Hillyer's article, but try to be a little less ignorant in going about it.

171 posted on 04/19/2010 8:43:36 AM PDT by jla (Obama & Co. vs. Jefferson & Madison - my money's on the latter)
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To: MNJohnnie

This egregious slander of Palin’s record needs to be reported to the Wash Times and Spectator editor.


172 posted on 04/19/2010 8:44:12 AM PDT by JApost
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To: JApost
Congratulations, you hit the nail on the head (in spite of your predictable insult)...

"instead of what she did in looking out for her family by going out into the marketplace, earning $12 million..."

That is exactly how it will be played out by her opponents and the msm...."Show me the money..."

173 posted on 04/19/2010 8:45:29 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: reaganaut1; All
From the article:

PALIN RESIGNATION SHOULD BE a major warning to those who, in mind-numbingly unconservative fashion, denigrate the importance of government experience -- those like Palin herself, who write that "government experience doesn't necessarily count for much."

Frankly, this deification of government inexperience is nutty. An old Latin saying holds much truth: Discimus agere agendo, which means "we learn to do by doing." Nobody would argue that a 22-year-old right out of engineering school should be the lead designer on a major urban bridge. Nobody would ask a Peyton Manning right out of high school to lead an NFL team into a Super Bowl, the way the experienced Manning twice has done. Nobody would ask a junior member of the diplomatic corps to negotiate directly with Vladimir Putin. So why should anybody in his right mind believe that the mind-bogglingly multi-faceted job of president of the United States -- a job involving economics; a massive administrative state; and war, peace, and survival of the very planet in the face of weapons of frightening power -- should be handled by somebody whose primary asset is an attitudinal anti-establishmentarianism combined with a virtue uncorrupted but also completely untested by the fires of national politics?

When Palin was hoisted on her own petard of Alaska's new ethics system, it should have taught all conservatives that inexperience is no virtue. As George Will wrote just days after John McCain chose Palin as his running mate, the selection flew in the face of the single philosophical document probably most revered by American modern conservatives, the Federalist Papers. Wrote Will: "The word ‘experience' appears 91 times in the Federalist Papers....[According to the Federalist,] ‘Accumulating' experience is ‘the parent of wisdom' and a ‘guide' that ‘justifies,' ‘confirms,' and can ‘admonish.' America's Founders were empiricists and students of history who trusted ‘that best oracle of wisdom, experience,' which is humanity's ‘least fallible guide.'" And so on, with James Madison particularly insistent that attitude and goodwill alone are hardly substitutes for wisdom accumulated in the cauldron of statesmanship -- a wisdom that understands human nature well enough that it casts a skeptical eye on even the noblest intentions.


174 posted on 04/19/2010 8:48:05 AM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: Maverick68
If the electorate can ignore the past of a man who transparently hates American...

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The 'electorate' didn't do that at all. The 'electorate' in this country doesn't do its own research, never has. The 'electorate' was sold a bill of goods by a complicit MSM. The same MSM that will hammer Palin over the inescapable fact that she quit.

175 posted on 04/19/2010 8:48:17 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Lazamataz
Reagan was a governor of a large state. Palin was a governor of a large state.

Reagan was the governor of America's most populous state for eight years. Palin was the governor of America's fouth-least populous state for two years before resigning in the middle of her only term. Is that really the same thing?
176 posted on 04/19/2010 8:49:15 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: wtc911

...but you left out the part where it was also the best political decision she could have made also.

Now she is making money, campaigning for the 2010 midterms, and very visible...playing it her way.


177 posted on 04/19/2010 8:50:01 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: wtc911

“The ‘electorate’ didn’t do that at all. The ‘electorate’ in this country doesn’t do its own research, never has. The ‘electorate’ was sold a bill of goods by a complicit MSM. The same MSM that will hammer Palin over the inescapable fact that she quit.”

Bingo.


178 posted on 04/19/2010 8:50:05 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: The Pack Knight
Reagan was the governor of America's most populous state for eight years. Palin was the governor of America's fouth-least populous state for two years before resigning in the middle of her only term. Is that really the same thing?

Both are large and complicated states. Alaska even has certain challenges that California does not.

Palin resigned when it became clear that because of the peculiarities of Alaska law, that she could not govern the state and defend against the frivilous lawsuits simultaneously. The Presidency has buffers against said frivilous lawsuits.

179 posted on 04/19/2010 8:51:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: rbmillerjr
...but you left out the part where it was also the best political decision she could have made also.

To be true to my own beliefs, that is the worst of the motivating reasons. I don't want a pol who motivates for politics. I want a pol who motivates for the public good. I believe she acted in the public good, in resigning.

180 posted on 04/19/2010 8:53:25 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: TChris

I disagree with you. I happen to believe that she is perfectly capable, and up to the job of United States Senator, I have every confidence she would make an incredible impact in Washington D.C., but as I also mentioned, a very top Cabinet position would also be a place where she could have immense effect. She is really top notch.


181 posted on 04/19/2010 8:55:10 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Call your County/State GOP & ask if they'll make 2010 solely a NATIONAL NO CONFIDENCE VOTE on Obama)
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To: Lazamataz

Sure, we all do. But the political calculus can’t be ignored. She is a much stronger politician and aiding the cause now that she is free of the absurd constraints from the Leftist loonies in Alaska.

Now when she is attacked she can counter.

Thank God, she is out of Alaska...I can’t think of one conservative that get the attention that she does and promotes the cause as she does...certainly not Romney.


182 posted on 04/19/2010 8:56:40 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: rbmillerjr
...but you left out the part where it was also the best political decision she could have made also.

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As all my posts here indicate, I do not think that her resignation was a good political move at all...handing your opponents the tools to label you a quitter is just dumb if you want a future politicical career.

183 posted on 04/19/2010 8:56:59 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: RazzPutin

Agree with your comments..a screechy voice is offputting.
She sounds better in an indoor setting.
Actually, Hillary has a better speaking voice if
you don’t have to listen to what she says.


184 posted on 04/19/2010 8:59:43 AM PDT by keykitten (keykitten)
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To: wtc911
As all my posts here indicate, I do not think that her resignation was a good political move at all...handing your opponents the tools to label you a quitter is just dumb if you want a future politicical career.

The alternative was bankrupting her family and ruining her career. You, of course, would be fine with that.

185 posted on 04/19/2010 9:01:05 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: wtc911

“As all my posts here indicate, I do not think that her resignation was a good political move at all...handing your opponents the tools to label you a quitter is just dumb if you want a future politicical career.”

Proving you know nothing about politics. If she stays she dies politically. If she leaves, they hammer her, like all Republicans on everything and anything anyway.


186 posted on 04/19/2010 9:04:11 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: rbmillerjr
This hit piece has the stench of Mitt Romney all over it.

"Sarah Palin, clean up your act and wait your turn." Gag me with a spoon.

187 posted on 04/19/2010 9:04:32 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: editor-surveyor
America has already chosen her as our next president

Typical Republican arrogance. Making the choice for us poor ignorant peons.

188 posted on 04/19/2010 9:06:23 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (No sane man loves war. But all decent men realize there can be no peace with tyrants or terrorists.)
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To: wtc911

And a significant majority will agree with Palin while you, romney and his little advisors and the msm watch powerless from the sideline and stew with resentment as Palin wins the nomination and presidency.


189 posted on 04/19/2010 9:06:34 AM PDT by JApost
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To: MNJohnnie; hampdenkid; faucetman; Brices Crossroads; geologist; editor-surveyor
hit piece

From the article:

ALL OF WHICH IS NOT TO SAY that Sarah Palin lacks the right stuff -- the right values, the right determination, the right gumption, the right toughness -- to serve our nation in high office. She certainly has abundant and admirable amounts and quality of all those virtues, no matter how viciously the left tries to smear her.

Another political advantage is Palin's preternatural ability to turn a pithy phrase to convey powerful messages. Perhaps this is partly a function of her training as a TV journalist -- and a sports reporter at that. Far more than print journalists, TV scribes learn and learn and work and work to hone their reports to short, well-turned phrases. Sports especially, as an entertainment medium, provides a milieu for memorable verbiage.

Hence Palin's brilliant ad-lib (she truthfully says it was not part of the written text) in her national convention speech about a hockey mom being a pit bull with lipstick. Hence her incredibly potent warning against "death panels" -- a warning based just enough on the substance of health care rationing, as detailed by the Washington Times, that it stopped just short of demagoguery. (Again, though, this skill only serves to further highlight the difference that relevant experience can make for the better -- or, by logical extension, that a lack of experience can make for the worse. Discimus agere agendo, indeed.)

Some hit piece.

I think some folks define a "hit piece" as being any article that is not 100% lavish praise.

190 posted on 04/19/2010 9:07:39 AM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: Lazamataz
the peculiarities of Alaska law

Getting rid of that dumb law would be helpful to her explaining her decision (again) in the future.
191 posted on 04/19/2010 9:09:03 AM PDT by Canedawg (I'm not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: Al B.
The alternative was bankrupting her family and ruining her career. You, of course, would be fine with that.

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A. The alternative was finishing the job that she sought and for which she was elected.

B. You guys just can't resist being snide, can you?

192 posted on 04/19/2010 9:10:16 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: EveningStar

I’m a hit piece.


193 posted on 04/19/2010 9:11:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: EveningStar

Yes, we are all going to follow her to Jonestown....(says with zombie like glazed eyes)

Thank you Mrs. Olbermann.


194 posted on 04/19/2010 9:11:39 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: JApost
And a significant majority will agree with Palin while you, romney and his little advisors and the msm watch powerless from the sideline and stew with resentment as Palin wins the nomination and presidency.

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ome fantasy life you've got going there. No facts or persuasive arguments...just idle speculation.

195 posted on 04/19/2010 9:12:22 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: MBB1984
However, despite her zealous support, her supporters are clearly outnumbered by those who do not support her.

And you evidence is....?

196 posted on 04/19/2010 9:12:47 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: wtc911

She opened up her own business.

Get over it lol.


197 posted on 04/19/2010 9:12:55 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Let hot tar wash their throats and may it flow freely.)
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To: MNJohnnie
I actualy do not hate her. I will vote for her if she wins the nomination.

However, where we differ, is that my evaluation of her is totally based on her record and past and not on emotions and feelings. Her experience is painfully weak, and where it exists is dissapointing. She appointed a former board member of Planned Parenthood to the Alaska Supreme court, she has ethical issues, supported increased taxes on oil companies, supported the Bridge to Nowhere, is soft on illegal aliens, supports McCain’s reelection bid, supports Mr. Steele, and in a personal interview, could not name a Supreme Court case other than Roe v. Wade where she disagreed with the Court’s decision. Recently, she commented on how she could run with Mitt Rommney.

198 posted on 04/19/2010 9:13:28 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Al B.

Rare to see any acceptance or acknowledgement of the fact that she and her family were well down the path of personal bankruptcy at the point of her resignation. This situation was not miraculously going to change had she stayed on as Governor. I’m sure she would have run a terrific re-election campaign £1m plus in debt with the guarantee of no support whatsoever from the RNC. Maybe money really does grow on trees. /s Matryrdom looks great from the comfort of someone else’s armchair.


199 posted on 04/19/2010 9:14:26 AM PDT by sarah fan UK
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To: csmusaret
No way for you or me to know.

You haven't read her book or actually listened to anything she has been saying recently, have you?

200 posted on 04/19/2010 9:14:31 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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