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The Politics of Not Going Back to the Moon
Associated Content ^ | January 29th, 2010 | Mark R. Whittington

Posted on 01/29/2010 10:50:58 AM PST by Marcus

Jeff Foust, who blogs for Space Politics, whose subject matter is self explanatory, asks a very pertinent question about President Obama's plans for NASA, which include cancelling the space exploration program.

Who, in Congress, will actually support it?

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; nasa; obama; spaceexploration

1 posted on 01/29/2010 10:50:59 AM PST by Marcus
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To: Marcus
Actually, all congresscritters from Alabama will support more NASA spending. There is a little known (to most folks) NASA facility in northern Alabama. If NASA funding is lost, this area will be severely impacted.
2 posted on 01/29/2010 10:55:44 AM PST by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: Marcus

By canceling plans to go back to the moon, 0bama is doing the only thing he is good at - undermining America. This forfeits our place as the technology and innovation leader in the world, not to mention the thousands of jobs in aerospace and NASA.


3 posted on 01/29/2010 10:57:26 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Marcus

NASA bashing to commence in 3, 2, 1....


4 posted on 01/29/2010 10:57:49 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Marcus

And yet he continues to crow about math and science education. Why should anyone pursue a technical education if it is useless in terms of future employment? Engineering is a helluva lot more work than the undergraduate program Obama (supposedly) went through.


5 posted on 01/29/2010 11:02:01 AM PST by Nepeta
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To: Marcus

This is an easy one. It’s about “Whitey on the Moon”


6 posted on 01/29/2010 11:03:11 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Agreed.

I know I am a broken record on this but....

The nations that lead on the frontiers, dictate the course of human history.

Obama is a very dangerous president to this nation.

Yes I am all for private industry tackling some tasks. But not all, that is just part of the equation.

America must lead on the frontiers as a nation as well, not a company.


7 posted on 01/29/2010 11:04:14 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Marcus

Hey, Zero’s doing his level best to kill the American Dream, what are a few more dreams for him ??


8 posted on 01/29/2010 11:04:40 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Nachum

Can’t have those infidels desecrating his god, can he?


9 posted on 01/29/2010 11:09:00 AM PST by thulldud (It HAS happened here!)
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To: Marcus

Count me as a no Moon vote.
Let future exploration come from the private sector. If there is something of value on it below all that dust, let entrepreneurs find it, figure out a way to bring it back, and profit from it. That’s the American way.

Long ago when I learned there were no Moon Maidens there, just gray rocks and gray dust that did it for me. Lets move on. Where are the Orion slave girls from?


10 posted on 01/29/2010 11:10:02 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: thulldud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY


11 posted on 01/29/2010 11:10:21 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: The_Victor

“NASA bashing to commence in 3, 2, 1....”

Yes, and it’s usually the same ol crowd that seems to think NASA is nothing but a bloated federal agency that consumes huge sums of moneys to study global warming and produce Tang.

It’s disugusting the ingnorance level at times and it’s shocking to find it here on FreeRepublic.

I have never found a single one that has been able to articulate why exactly such a tiny percentage of federal spending with massive spinoffs and payoffs for the nation is a bad idea.

They point to stumbles and scream failure.
Yet I see none of them building a damn thing or risking their asses to better mankind.


12 posted on 01/29/2010 11:10:50 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: NavyCanDo

The Moon Maidens are on the dark side of the moon...


13 posted on 01/29/2010 11:11:41 AM PST by battlecry
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To: Nachum

Find a copy of the video “Old Negro Space Program” online and have a good laugh.


14 posted on 01/29/2010 11:11:42 AM PST by battlecry
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To: battlecry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xJzAYYrX8


15 posted on 01/29/2010 11:14:39 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Marcus

"To the moon Barry!"

16 posted on 01/29/2010 11:14:52 AM PST by montyspython ("I don't believe in 'no win' scenarios." - James T. Kirk)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

OMG I would love to hear Palin’s first inaugural address say “I am re-instating the NASA moon program and we will land there within 3 years”


17 posted on 01/29/2010 11:16:06 AM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

One last thing to do ~ send Obama to the Moon ~ ostensibly to apologize to Islam for “messin’ with the crescent”.


18 posted on 01/29/2010 11:17:17 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I've actually done business with NASA and I thoroughly believe it is bloated, officious and overloaded. What took about $25K in parts ended up costing about $1M - all because of their paperwork and requirements. Some of the requirements were valid, most others were not.

I realize that a lot of benefit comes out of endeavors at the edge and constant innovation, but NASA does not typify and has not typified this for quite a while. With a 14 trillion dollar debt, we can ill afford hemorraging expenditures like this as well as many of the others this adminstration will expend in the next three years. Flame if you want, but experience tells me better.

19 posted on 01/29/2010 11:23:48 AM PST by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Marcus
I am going to fight against Obama on this as much as I fight him on everything else.

Human spaceflight is a passion of mine, getting back to the moon.. TO STAY, and beyond is something I want to live to see. This nation is born of the pioneer spirit and risk takers. It DOES live on at NASA even with bureaucracy wrapped around it like ropes. I have already donated to NSS, written every rep I have. It's just another thing to oppose OBama on now. The man is disgusting! there is NOTHING about him I can bring myself to approve of. Nothing. He is killing our nation on every level to some degree.

20 posted on 01/29/2010 11:24:04 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Marcus
Select quotes from Obama's State of the Union speech:

"It is because of this spirit – this great decency and great strength – that I have never been more hopeful about America's future than I am tonight. Despite our hardships, our union is strong. We do not give up. We do not quit."

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"Next, we need to encourage American innovation. Last year, we made the largest investment in basic research funding in history – an investment that could lead to the world's cheapest solar cells or treatment that kills cancer cells but leaves healthy ones untouched. And no area is more ripe for such innovation than energy. You can see the results of last year's investment in clean energy – in the North Carolina company that will create 1200 jobs nationwide helping to make advanced batteries; or in the California business that will put 1,000 people to work making solar panels."

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"Meanwhile, China's not waiting to revamp its economy. Germany's not waiting. India's not waiting. These nations aren't standing still. These nations aren't playing for second place. They're putting more emphasis on math and science. They're rebuilding their infrastructure. They are making serious investments in clean energy because they want those jobs.

Well I do not accept second-place for the United States of America."

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"We have finished a difficult year. We have come through a difficult decade. But a new year has come. A new decade stretches before us. We don't quit. I don't quit."

-PJ

21 posted on 01/29/2010 11:26:11 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Human spaceflight is a passion of mine, getting back to the moon.. TO STAY, and beyond is something I want to live to see.

Then you should support the new policy. It's a lot more likely to meet that goal than Constellation ever was.

22 posted on 01/29/2010 11:27:00 AM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: Mr. K

Rather she push for the F22.


23 posted on 01/29/2010 11:34:56 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Marcus
Suppose that Zero doesn't get his way on this one.

What we'll get from NASA is more of what we've had for the last 25 years.

Lots of lip service about manned space exploration. (BTW - the shuttle "explores" nothing)

Lots of consulting contracts spread around to various congressional districts.

Lots of design studies that never get launched.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

24 posted on 01/29/2010 11:37:50 AM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: Steve Van Doorn

how about both!

cut some stupid ‘diversity’ program to fund it


25 posted on 01/29/2010 11:40:05 AM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Rather she push for the F22.

If she got rid of Health and Human Services, we could have both, and then some!

26 posted on 01/29/2010 11:44:00 AM PST by shorty_harris
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To: Names Ash Housewares
The nations that lead on the frontiers, dictate the course of human history.

The Kenyan would do well to read President Reagan's speech to the nation on the day Challenger exploded.

27 posted on 01/29/2010 11:44:22 AM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I have never found a single one that has been able to articulate why exactly such a tiny percentage of federal spending with massive spinoffs and payoffs for the nation is a bad idea.

Because I fail to find in the powers enumerated to Congress the right to run a space program that does what ours does.

Research related to defense would be fine.

Leaving the earth, stepping foot on another body, and returning home is awesome. Cool as all heck. But if I support the federal government doing something it has no authority to do just because I think it's cool, I have to support them doing anything they darn well please. We either follow the rules or we don't.

The fact that it is a tiny percentage of the budget is irrelevant.

The fact that there are supposed returns (I say supposed, because it's entirely possible that private enterprise would have come up with all the same stuff or better if the federal government wasn't in the way) is irrelevant.

28 posted on 01/29/2010 12:07:20 PM PST by Darth Reardon (Im running for the US Senate for a simple reason, I want to win a Nobel Peace Prize - Rubio)
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To: Darth Reardon

Look up spinoffs the benefits are manifold and easily found. It’s all around your home, your car, your work, your hospital. Discoverys come when we do things nobody has ever done before. Private industyr is out to make a buck, I celebrate that, but it is not out necessarily to keep America strategically positioned in the future. The quarterly report doesn’t work that way.
Not to mention the MASSIVE inspiration that elevates our nation to a level next to no other. To excel and pursue engineering and math as careers.

Again...

The nations that lead on the frontiers, dictate the course of human history.

It is NOT irrelevant it is a tiny portion of federal spending, because it gives back orders of magnitude more then it takes.


29 posted on 01/29/2010 12:35:47 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Notary Sojac

Wake up.

Look up spinoff technologies and the massive scientific discoverys that NASA has made. Reframing how we look at the universe, breaking through barriers and inspring like no other agency on earth.

Yes, even BADLY managed by political tinkering over the years, NASA is STILL the best bang for the buck.

Again, I will say it until I am blue in the face..

The nations that lead on the frontiers, dictate the course of human history.

Isn’t that worth a tiny portion of the federal budget?????


30 posted on 01/29/2010 12:39:06 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Marcus

I thought the Bamster just planned to lay the rocket on it’s side and call it a bullet train.


31 posted on 01/29/2010 12:42:33 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Isn’t that worth a tiny portion of the federal budget?????

If it's set up as prize awards for achievements by space entrepreneurs, yes.

But into the NASA rathole, no.

32 posted on 01/29/2010 1:35:46 PM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: Notary Sojac

You’ve got tunnel vision, you only see half of the equation.


33 posted on 01/29/2010 2:51:11 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares
It is NOT irrelevant it is a tiny portion of federal spending, because it gives back orders of magnitude more then it takes.

Yes, it is. The amount of spending, whether relative or absolute, makes NO difference. Either the federal government is limited to what powers the Constitution grants it, or it is allowed to do anything it wants to.

Likewise, it makes no difference what the return on investment is. I'm not willing to grant the federal government the "right" to do things it was never authorized to do just because it has a positive (in theory) ROI.

Exploration of space is quite possibly one of the very few things that a federal government could do more efficiently than private enterprise. And it's really, really, cool. But until the Constitution is amended to allow the federal government to do so, most of what NASA does is illegal, and regardless of how cool it is to me I oppose it.

34 posted on 01/29/2010 8:25:19 PM PST by Darth Reardon (Im running for the US Senate for a simple reason, I want to win a Nobel Peace Prize - Rubio)
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To: Darth Reardon

Jeez dude, saying NASA is illegal isn’t going to sell anywhere, frankly it’s pretty fringe and it’s a new one to me.


35 posted on 01/30/2010 12:17:12 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Read more carefully, I did not say that that NASA is illegal, but that most of what it does is illegal. If it’s not allowed by the Constitution, the federal government can not do it. I don’t understand why this is so difficult for so many people to accept.


36 posted on 01/30/2010 1:50:32 PM PST by Darth Reardon (Im running for the US Senate for a simple reason, I want to win a Nobel Peace Prize - Rubio)
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To: Darth Reardon

I understand it fine, it’s simply not politically realisitic to pursue that path since it is an extremely strict constitutional view that very few will ever share.

Besides, NASA would be the least of your worries even if people did.


37 posted on 01/30/2010 1:53:48 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Marcus

People confuse 1970 NASA with 2010 NASA. Same name, but they are as different as FedEx and the Post Office.


38 posted on 01/30/2010 2:05:52 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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