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12/11/2009 | Jim Robinson

[Elsie]

Well the Church is still togather!

So are the MUSLIMs; and MUCH longer, too!

Therefore they must be MORE RIGHT than MORMONS!!

[reaganaut]

but to those who study the scripture earnestly will be greatly reward to understand more than the Tradition of Men ever allowed.

 

The Tradition of Men program the elevator to only to go to certain floors of the mind.

 

But when one is contrite and sincere with the Lord the Holy Spirit one is able to receive more than any learned Tradition!

 

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Agreed. So why again are you following the traditions of men (the LDS church)?

 

 

The teachings of the LDS rely on the wisdom and logic of man, not God.  The LDS (false) gospel appeals to man’s search for order and reason, but God’s ways are not man’s ways.

 

 

1 Corinthinans 2:1-15

 

When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.

 

 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

 

 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling.

 

4My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power,

 

5so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power.

 

 6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.

 

 7No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.

 

8None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

 

9However, as it is written:

   "No eye has seen,

      no ear has heard,

   no mind has conceived

   what God has prepared for those who love him"—

 

10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.  The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

 

11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

 

12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.

 

13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

 

 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:

[reaganaut]

you mean the mainstream have been fracture for 2000

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No, the Body of Christ is still one.

Matthew 16:18:
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

THE GATES OF HELL, resty, would not prevail. Contrary to LDS teachings, there was no “great apostasy”, if there was, then CHRIST was a liar. Since Christ was sinless, then there was NEVER a need for a “restoration”.

Before you start complaining about “mainstream” divisions, look at your own.

The LDS church however, has had MANY fractures in it’s mere 180 years.

MORMON SPLINTER GROUPS- Sects that broke away from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Proponents of the Salt Lake City based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (also known as LDS or Mormons) boast of the alleged “unity” of their 12 million membership. Pointing to multiple denominations of Christian churches, Mormons attribute their “unity” (i.e., uniform church structure and belief) to latter-day revelation and to additional books they regard as Scripture.
They challenge the potential convert to read and pray about the Book of Mormon in order to gain a “testimony” of the truthfulness of the book. This “testimony” (consisting of a “burning in the bosom” sensation) is alleged to be the main test for determining whether the potential convert should become a member of the LDS Church. Given the fact that over 100 splinter groups have developed on the foundation of the Prophet Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, we question the validity of the Mormon “testimony” in solidifying the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the sole possessor of the “restored gospel.” Since all of these movements base their authority on the Book of Mormon and the Prophet Joseph Smith, how can a “testimony” gained through praying about the Book of Mormon be sufficient to prove which church of all of these movements one should join? The following list of dissident groups is taken from the book Divergent Paths of Restoration:
FOUNDED BETWEEN 1830 AND 1844
• Pure Church of Christ, Wycam Clark, 1831
• The Independent Church, Hoton, 1832
• Church of Christ, Ezra Booth, 1836
• Church of Christ, Warren Parrish, 1837
• The Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, The Lamb’s Wife, George M. Hinkle, 1840
• Church of Christ, Hyrum Page, 1842
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, F. Gladden Bishop
• True Church of Jessu Christ of Latter Day Saints, Law, Foster, Higbee, 1844
• Church of Christ, William Chubby
NON-EXTANT MOVEMENTS FOUNDED 1844-1860
• Church of Christ / Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion, Sidney Rigdon, 1844
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, James Emmett, 1844
• Church of Christ, S. B. Stoddard, Leonard Rich, James Bump, 1845
• Indian Mormon, 1846
• Church of Christ, William McLellin, David Whitmer, 1847
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, William Smith, 1847
• Congregation of Jehovah’s Presbytery of Zion, Charles B. Thompson, 1848
• Church of Christ, James C. Brewster, 1848
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Lyman Wight, 1849
• The Bride, The Lamb’s Wife or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Jacob Syfritt, 1850
• Church of Christ, Hazen Aldrich, 1851
EXTANT MOVEMENTS
Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, James J. Strang, 1844
• Church of Christ, Aaron Smith, 1846
• Church of the Messiah, George J. Adams, 1861
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
• Holy Church of Jesus Christ, Alexandre R. Caffiaux
• House of Ephraim and House of Manasseh of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Jerry Sheppard
• The True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, David L. Roberts
• Marriage Counseling Group
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, John J. Hajicek
• Strangite Believers in Pennsylvania
Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Brigham Young, 1847
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or Church of the First Born, Joseph Morris, 1861
• The Prophet Cainan or Church of Jesus Christ of the Saints of the Most High God, George Williams, 1862
• Morrisite Group, John Livingston, 1864
• Church of Zion, William S. Godbe, 1868
• Church of the First Born, George S. Dove, 1874
• Priesthood Groups (Fundamentalists), 1890
• United Order of Equality, Ephraim Peterson, 1909
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Israel, J. H. Sherwood
• Order of Aaron, Maurice L. Glendenning
• Church of Freedom of Latter Day Saints, 1950s
• Zion’s Order of the Sons of Levi, Marl V. Kilgore, 1951
• The Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, Joel F. LeBaron
• The Church of the Firstborn, Ross W. LeBaron, 1955
• Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter Day Saints, William C. Conway, 1958
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, John Forsgren, 1960
• Church of Jesus Christ, William Goldman, 1960
• LDS Scripture Researchers/Believe God Society, Sherman Russell Lloyd, 1965
• The Church of the Body and of the Spirit of Jessu Christ, Max Powers, 1965
• United Order of the Saints of Guadeloupe, Michel Gamiette, 1966
• United Order of the Family of Christ, David E. Desmond, 1966
• Split from Zion’s Order of the Sons of Levi, Eldon Taylor, 1969
• Homosexual Church of Jesus Christ, Denver, Colorado, 1972
• Latter Day Saints Church, N.S. Park, 1972
• The Church of the Lamb of God, Ervil M. LeBaron, 1972
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Mikhail Krupenia, 1972
• The New Jerusalem Group, Kathryn Carter, 1972
• The Watchmen on the Towers of Latter Day Israel, Miltenberg, Braun, 1973
• Church of Jesus Christ in Solemn Assembly, Alexnader Joseph, 1974
• Evangelical Church of Christ, Church of the New Covenant in Christ, John W. Bryant, 1974
• Split form Zion’s Order of the Sons of Levi, Barton Kilgore, 1975
• Affirmation, 1975
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Robert Simons, 1975
• Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, Bruce Wakeham, 1975
• Aaronic Order Break-off, 1977
• Christ’s Church, Inc., Gerald Peterson, 1978
• Church of Jesus Christ, Art Bulla, 1978
• The Restorers or School of the Prophets, Robert C. Crossfield, 1979
• Zion’s First International Church, LeeAnn Walker, 1980
• The Free Will Mormon Church, Franklin Lee Coleman, 1980
• Church of Jesus Christ, Jorge Mora, 1981
• Sons Ahman Israel, Davied Israel, 1981
• Samoan LDS Church, New Zealand, 1981
• The Millennial Church of Jesus Christ, Leo P. Evoniuk, 1981
• Peyote Way Church of God, Immanuel P. Trujillo, 1981
• The Chruch of Jesus Christ of the Saints in Zion, Ken Asay, 1984
• Break from the Church of Jesus Christ in Solemn Assembly, 1984
• Church of Jesus Christ of All Latter-day Saints or Restoration Church of Jesus Christ, Antonio A. Feliz, 1985
• Church of Christ of Latter-day Saints, Robert P. Madison, 1985
• Church of Christ the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, Siegfried J. Widmar, 1985
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Fundamentalists, Wight Family, 1985
• Mormon Fundamentalists, England, Alan and Marian Munn, 1986
• Churchof Jesus Christ Omnipotent, 1987
• Community of Zion, Central Utah Division
• Church of the First Born, General Assembly
Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ, Alpheus Cutler, 1853
• Church of Jesus Christ, Clyde Fletcher, 1953
• The Restored Church of Jesus Christ, Eugene O. Walton, 1979
Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, 1851-1860
• Church of the Christian Brotherhood, Richard C. Evans, 1917
• The Church of Christ, the Order of Zion, John Zahnd, 1918
• The Church of Jesus Christ, Thomas W. Williams, 1925
• Church of Jesus Christ Restored, Stanley M. King, 1970
• New Jerusalem Church of Jesus Christ, Barney Fuller, 1975
• Church of Christ Restored, Paul Fishel, 1976
• True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Forrest Toney, 1980
• Church of the Restoration or Churches of Christ in Zion, Robert Chambers, 1981
• Lamanite Ministries for Christ or New Covenant Ministries for Christ, 1984
• Restoration Branches Movement, 1984
• Church of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, A. Lee Abramson, 1985
• Church of Jesus Christ, Zion’s Branch, John Cato, 1986
• Church of Christ, David Clark, 1986
• Independent Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Christopher C. Warren, 1986
• Native Indian Church
Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of The Church of Jesus Christ, William Bickerton, 1862
• Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ, Allen Wright, 1907
• Primitive Church of Jesus Christ, James Caldwell, 1914
Splinter Groups and Sub-movements of Church of Christ (Temple Lot), Granville Hedrick, 1863
• Church of Christ, Independent, Informal, Frank F. Wipper, 1927
• The Church of Christ, Otto Fetting, 1929
• Church of Christ, P.A. Ely, 1929
• Church of Christ, C.W. Humphrey, 1929
• Church of Christ, Samuel Wood, E.J. Trapp, 1930
• Church of Christ (Restored), A.C. DeWolf, 1936
• Church of Christ, E. E. Long, Thomas Nerren, 1936
• Church of Christ, Paul Hilgendorf, 1942
• The Church of Christ With the Elijah Message, W. A. D. Draves, 1943
• Church of Christ, Pauline Hancock, 1946
• Antarctica Development Interests or the New American’s Mount Zion, John Leabo, 1955
• Church of Christ at Zion’s Retreat, Gerald Hall, 1973
• The Church of Israel, Dan Gayman, 1973
• Break from the Church of Christ (Hancock), Davison, Michigan, 1973
• The Church of Christ, Restored Gospel 1929, 1985

[restornu]

It is typical of you Elsie to stood to conquor for your “Tiger Woods appetite” of contempt for the LDS
Taking things from a Gay & Lesbian operated site!

Many of you who post this smear and anti LDS stuff no one know who any of you could turn out to be another Tiger Woods!

You are no better than the Darwinist...
http://www.salamandersociety.com/

[metmom]

1000 silverlings"Adolf Hitler killed because he was influenced by Christianity"

NL: That is every bit as absurd as the claims that Hitler killed because he was influenced by Darwin.

No, it's not, because there's nothing in the teachings of Christ that justify the wholesale slaughter of anyone.

That can be justified as survival of the fittest, *natural* selection, etc.

[metmom]

1000 silverlings"Adolf Hitler killed because he was influenced by Christianity"

NL: That is every bit as absurd as the claims that Hitler killed because he was influenced by Darwin.

No, it's not, because there's nothing in the teachings of Christ that justify the wholesale slaughter of anyone.

That can be justified as survival of the fittest, eugenics, etc.

[reaganaut]

Many of you who post this smear and anti LDS stuff no one know who any of you could turn out to be another Tiger Woods!

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I have no intention of cheating on my husband (with either men or women).

Nor do I have any intention of ever playing golf.

[restornu]

In your dreams

Not so!

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint is the only one that Jesus Christ restored!

Jesus had the same problem when He was on earth there were many after His resurrected that formed splinter groups but there was only one that was annoited by the Lord and held the Priesthood!

[restornu]

Nor do I have any intention of ever playing golf.

LOL

I believe you!:)

[restornu]

I have to go I really do have a life....!:)

[metmom]

However, what you did not relate is an important aspect. The referenced "hunting down" was a hypothetical, and the immediate response to that possibility was a resounding negative from all quarters. Many of those who post there did not "flee" as was suggested in an earlier post but instead were "cast out" from this forum.

The site that you would vilify is a staunch supporter of the right of people to speak freely in open discussion, and thereby to reveal the weaknesses of their arguments as well as what passes for their faith.

That's pretty interesting because just some time ago a FReeper who used to be a member of DC told how he left the site because or the behavior of the other DCers and his family's concerns for their safety. And he said it publicly on FR.

If one of your own feel that way, then I'd say that there is a legitimate concern.

[reaganaut]

Not so!

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint is the only one that Jesus Christ restored!

Jesus had the same problem when He was on earth there were many after His resurrected that formed splinter groups but there was only one that was annoited by the Lord and held the Priesthood!

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Yeah, SO!

Christ is our ONLY HIGH PRIEST!! Read the book of Hebrews. Honestly. The Priesthood of Aaron, along with the accompanying animal sacrifices was annulled with death of Christ. The veil to the Holy of Holies was torn in two.

And the LDS keep trying to tack it back together.

All of the LDS splinter groups are documented Resty. No getting around that, no matter how hard you try. And the FLDS are much closer to what JS founded than SLC is.

So now, according to the Bible...

Matthew 16:18:
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

THE GATES OF HELL, resty, would not prevail over Christ’s church.

So that means either Jesus was a liar, or Joseph Smith was a liar.

I’m betting it was Smith.

[reaganaut]

Nor do I have any intention of ever playing golf.

LOL

I believe you!:)

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And you should. LOL.

I grew up in an area where golf courses outnumbered shopping centers. Our High school even had a “golf team”.

Golf is a nice walk spoiled by a little white ball.

[Tennessee Nana]

“Tiger Woods appetite”
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Let me guess...

Something Joey Smith mentioned in one of the verses of D&C 132

Previously called a “Joey Smith appetite”

[metmom]

Ooops, scratch 2766.

I don’t know what happened there with the double post.

[NicknamedBob]

"The site that you would vilify is a staunch supporter of the right of people to speak freely in open discussion, and thereby to reveal the weaknesses of their arguments as well as what passes for their faith."

That's pretty interesting because just some time ago a FReeper who used to be a member of DC told how he left the site because or the behavior of the other DCers and his family's concerns for their safety. And he said it publicly on FR.

Curious indeed. It would appear that even sites as apparently diametrically opposed as these two can have the same problems of disruptors, stalkers, and generally bed-mannered people.

"I'm a poet." (My conceit.)

A Walk With God

God and I were walking,
Along the endless sands,
Of the beaches of forever,
On my familiar span.

I had a million questions,
He had one answer, "Yes!"
Whatever's not a small reward,
Is just a simple test.

I try to walk here every day.
We watch the time and tide.
The rhythm of days is lulling,
Just I, and with Him beside.

I have no fear of fortune,
As We are walking here,
For peace and joy encompass me,
Because my God is near.

NicknamedBob . . . . . . . . April 17, 2007

[Tennessee Nana]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint is the only one that Jesus Christ restored!
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Resty, the Jesus of the Bible never lost His Church...

He is God and God is not a mamby pamby weakling...

Jesus said that NOTHING, not even Hell would prevail against or destroy or conquer His Church...

and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18

I believe Him..

My Jesus never lost His Church...

The Church which is the body of Christ which I belong to is the same Church that Jesus founded in His blood on the cross 2000 years ago...

I belong with John and Peter and Paul and the others...

Whatever you think Joey Smith had was of his own making...

Mormonism has nothing to do with the Jesus of the Bible...

and nothing to do with Christianity...

God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Numbers 23:19

and He does not change...

I am God I change not...Malachi 3:6

Jesus Christ, the same, yesterday, today and forever...Hebrews 13:8

nor lose things...least of all His Bride...

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; nor be lost; no one will snatch them out of my hand. John 10:28

[Natural Law]

"The Church which is the body of Christ which I belong to is the same Church that Jesus founded in His blood on the cross 2000 years ago..."

You are Catholic?

[NicknamedBob]

"You are Catholic?"

"And I said, 'Don't look, Ethel!' But it was too late. She'd already been mooned."

[1000 silverlings]

Someone else said

Adolf Hitler killed because he was influenced by Christianity

I said

Hitler was in fact influenced by Satanism and paganism, but they like to blame Christianity, knowing nothing about it