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"Rotten" Arctic sea ice duping satellites, multi-year ice virtually gone: expert
CP ^ | November 27, 2009 | Chinta Puxley

Posted on 11/27/2009 5:15:40 PM PST by Shermy

WINNIPEG — One of Canada's top northern researchers says the permanent Arctic sea ice that is home to the world's polar bears and usually survives the summer has all but disappeared.

Experts around the world believed the ice was recovering because satellite images showed it expanding. But David Barber says the thick, multi-year frozen sheets crucial to the northern ecosystem have been replaced by thin "rotten" ice which can't support the weight of the bears.

"It caught us all by surprise because we were expecting there to be multi-year sea ice - the whole world thought it was multi-year sea ice," said Barber, who just returned from an expedition to the Beaufort Sea.

"Unfortunately what we found was that the multi-year (ice) has all but disappeared. What's left is this remnant, rotten ice."

Permanent ice, which is normally up to 10 metres thick, was easily pierced by the research ship, said Barber, who holds the Canada research chair in Arctic science at the University of Manitoba.

The team finally reached what it thought was stable ice, only to watch a crack appear just as researchers were preparing to descend onto the floe.

"As I watched, over the course of five minutes, the entire multi-year ice floe broke up into pieces," Barber said. "This floe was 10 miles across. Something that's twice the size of Winnipeg, it just broke up right in front of our eyes."

The ice is unable to withstand battering waves and storms because global warming is rapidly melting it at a rate of 70,000 square kilometres each year, he said.

Multi-year sea ice used to cover 90 per cent of the Arctic basin, Barber said. It now covers roughly 19 per cent. Where it used to be up to 10 metres thick, it's now twometres at most.

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KEYWORDS: agw; fraud; hoax; junkscience
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To: Shermy

The Daily Wah-Wahh. Honestly, The Sky is Falling!!

Well, I say, The Emperor Has No Clothes.


51 posted on 11/27/2009 6:55:23 PM PST by bboop
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To: Shermy

Was this data peer reviewed by the East Anglia CRU?


52 posted on 11/27/2009 7:00:18 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Shermy

We’re going to be bombarded with this stuff.


53 posted on 11/27/2009 8:06:06 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: Candor7

2 meters of ice could support an Abrams Tank at 70 tons!


54 posted on 11/27/2009 8:06:38 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: smokingfrog

Nice photo. Thanks.


55 posted on 11/27/2009 8:20:58 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: Shermy
Dear National Scare-ographic Magazine:

How did the polar bears survive the medievel warming period, when the summer ice not only shrank, but literally disappeared?

Thank you in advance for your prompt and erudite reply.

56 posted on 11/27/2009 8:25:01 PM PST by cookcounty ("Let us not hear of the honor of men - Let us bind them with the chains of the Constitution")
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To: Shermy

This science fiction is timed to influence Copenhagen.

This screwball Barber told National Geographic in 2008:

“We’re actually projecting this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time [in history],” David Barber, of the University of Manitoba, told National Geographic News aboard the C.C.G.S. Amundsen, a Canadian research icebreaker.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080620-north-pole.html


57 posted on 11/27/2009 10:36:01 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Candor7
Two *feet* of ice will support motor vehicles here in the Minneapolis metro area.

You can drive around the local lakes in January and see Dominos Pizza delivery trucks taking pizza to people out ice fishing in their little ice houses.

Cheers!

58 posted on 11/27/2009 11:34:38 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: big bad easter bunny

They won’t be able to find new data as it gets colder so they will have to use the summer data for years now.


59 posted on 11/28/2009 6:04:18 AM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Shermy
What you, ( the taxpayer, any taxpayer from any nation), needs is " rotten ice " insurance.

That's right, for a mere ______ ( insert monetary unit here) , per household, you'll be doing what's needed to combat the scourge of rotten ice.

60 posted on 11/28/2009 6:09:34 AM PST by csvset
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To: Shermy; marron; swarthyguy; xcamel; okie01
Shermy, you and your cynical cohorts are simply not taking the science seriously enough on this catastrophic Global Warming.

Several weeks ago, I was sailing back to St. Petersburg on a dark and stormy moonless night after a very long affair at my cousin's restaurant in Tampa and we kept bumping into what must have been the rotting carcasses of dead polar bears every damned foot of the way.

The energy sources (Green, of course) for this harrowing voyage were ethanol and wind power, and I did stay at a Holiday Inn, so I know what I am talking about, ecologically speaking.

61 posted on 11/28/2009 6:33:22 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (I feel Revolutionary. Another British Leader is oppressing us.)
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To: Shermy
The article didn't specify where he and his crew were in the Beaufort Sea. Was it in a location where there was new ice - i.e., ice that was there in 2009 but not in 2008?

If so, then he merely found out that ice formed within the previous year can't be multi-year ice.

62 posted on 11/28/2009 7:51:32 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Thus, is this MORON G**D*** LIAR trying to make us believe that ice "two metres thick" (6.56 Feet) will NOT hold a polar bear?

Fixed it. ;-)

63 posted on 11/28/2009 9:18:10 AM PST by uglybiker (BACON!!)
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To: OldDeckHand

It seems to after watching ice road truckers, that the ice they drive on is not all that thick


64 posted on 11/28/2009 9:35:44 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: OldDeckHand

Just looked it up. Ice roads 4ft thick support 70 ton rigs/loads. And 6 six ft can’t support a polar bear?


65 posted on 11/28/2009 9:46:28 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: danielmryan

Aha! Here’s the problem... He and his fellow “scientists” were off Hilton Head SC near BEAUFORT, SC!!!! No wonder it seemed warmer than usual. Oh, these nutty “scientists”. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!


66 posted on 11/28/2009 9:57:32 AM PST by hal ogen
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To: Shermy

So they ram their ship into the ice and go in until they think they are on stable ice and then whine because a crack opens up right before their eyes and continues to crack up 10 miles of an ice sheet? Well ya know the cracks were probably in the ice to start with and when they began to ram through it they started opening those cracks again, and once started ice can break up fast (were they born yesterday?)

My conclusion is the dumb dumbs who had to ram through the mutiyear ice to see if it would hold up ruined the hugh ice sheet for the polar bears. Exactly when did they try going out on this ice sheet, during the winter or during the summer/spring when ice does melt and weaken.


67 posted on 11/28/2009 10:10:10 AM PST by tickles
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To: tickles
The article doesn't say that they rammed through multi-year ice. It says: "'...we were expecting there to be multi-year sea ice - the whole world thought it was multi-year sea ice,' said Barber, who just returned from an expedition to the Beaufort Sea." It doesn't say why he would be "'expecting'" multi-year ice, not did it explain why "'the whole world'" would be expecting multi-year ice in the specific location where that ice cracked.

As already pointed out on this thread, Barber's a known AGW promoter. He could have seen the so-called 'rotten' (single-year) ice in an area where this and last year's satellite pictures show that there was only single-year ice. We don't know the location, nor was it specified in the article.

68 posted on 11/28/2009 10:35:22 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: hal ogen
Laugh away, skeptic. The ice pack around Hilton Head Island is gone. Gone, I tell you. In fact, while you and your VRWC pals sit around slurping Pink Squirrels and dissing Al Gore, dead polar bears might be washing up on the beach at Hilton Head.

I say "might," because I fear that due to AGW-caused rising sea-levels, Hilton Head Island may be under water by now. Has anyone checked? Is Columbia now on the beach?

69 posted on 11/30/2009 6:51:45 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (I feel Revolutionary. Another British Leader is oppressing us.)
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