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Posted on 11/27/2009 12:53:37 PM PST by freespirited
It’s not too early, apparently, to test opinion on the 2012 presidential race. Pollster Scott Rasmussen has asked likely voters to decide between Barack Obama and three reasonably well-known Republicans, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin. He also asked about their preferences in three-way pairings between those candidates and recently-resigned CNN commentator Lou Dobbs. There are three interesting findings.
Number one. Obama is essentially tied with all three Republicans, leading Huckabee 45%-41% and Palin 46%-43% and even with Romney at 44%-44%. In other words, Obama is running at his job approval ratinRg level, which Rasmussen has at 46%-54%. This is reminiscent of the 2004 general election, in which George W. Bush’s 51% of the vote mirrored his job approval numbers.
Number two. This is a vote, up or down, on Obama; it doesn’t make much difference who his Republican opponent is. He runs just about the same against Romney, whose favorable and unfavorable numbers are 49%-38% as he does against Huckabee (57%-30%) or Palin (46%-49%).
Number three. Dobbs takes many more votes from each of the Republicans than he does from Obama. Once again, this is basically an up-or-down vote on Obama. This is not like the appeal of Ross Perot in 1992, who took about equal numbers of votes from George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton (and some of whose supporters wouldn’t have voted if he had not been running).
I don’t think these numbers are anything like a reliable indicator of how the 2012 election cycle will unfold; they’re more like a referendum on Obama today, and not a particularly complimentary one. But it’s interesting that three Republican politicians, each with his or her own liabilities, are still running about even with Obama.
Lou Dobbs is more qualified than the present occupant of the office.
But he may be qualified for a humongous, George Soros, muck-things-up scholarship. Going, going, sold to the only/highest bidder!
A rock is more qualified that the current president.
Sarah Palin is running even with Obama and she hasn’t even announced she is running. WOW, no wonder the liberals are crapping their pants
I think she should have Tommy Franks as her VP candidate.
Wait till she has gone round the country campaigning for conservative Republican candidates for the 2010 elections and attacking 0bama over his radical, insane left wing policies. I am going to bet she will be ahead of 0bozo in the polls, come November 2010.
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
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Lou Dobb’s is irrelevant
The Romney people chant that over and over, it strikes me as too meaningless a statement to be called an argument.
Obama is?
Al Franken, Jesse Ventura, (What’s with Minnesota? And they laugh at Wisconsin, well, at least they got Favre) now Lou Dobbs? I suppose it’s no different than Pelosi and Reid and their band of merry thieves. Just wait until Alec Baldwin, Barbara Streisand or Oprah throws their hat in the ring. Until a conservative with balls (Sarah Palin) is elected and leads this country back to reality, revamps the education system (IE, dismantling the dept of Ed and the NEA et al; this is where it started) we will see more of this. We need someone who will slash and burn the government department. Elect me! Fire most, give them their pensions, and start over.
And, it’s 3 years out!
My Irish Setter is more qualified than the present occupant of the office.He knows enough not to $hit where he eats.
Well, actually the current president is the communally owned pet rock of the left and its MSM. They take turns throwing it through any intact windows they find. They’ll throw him away when there are no windows left to break and then blame all on the magic rock.
Mitt in an annuity salesmen, Huckster is a RINO version of Jimmy Carter. Any Conservative worth their salt are so over these 2 it ain’t even funny. Unless someone else emerges it is Sarah, plain and simple
You're granting them too much. Some, probably many, government unions have contracted for ridiculously generous pension and lifetime healthcare benefits, yet sat by complicitly while the "responsible" arms of government chronically underfunded them, instead doling out present time cash to current union 'workers." Their contracts bankrupted government, but they'll be screaming for total access to our taxpayer wallets to fund them. The union contracts needed to be pared down to size by some equivalent to a normal bankruptcy judge, the very process the Chrysler/GM bailouts were designed to avoid.
Pretty darn good considering the way she’s been savaged by the so-called media and the establishment chattering class.
Isn’t Dobbs running around now saying he’s in favor of amnesy for illegals, and proclaiming himself to be the best friend of the Hispanics? He won’t amount to much.
Palin, OTOH, will continue moving upwards. It will be interesting to see where she stands in the polls by mid January when a couple of million people have read her book, tens of millions will have seen her interviews on TV, millions more will have heard her interviews on radio, and millions of others will have been exposed to the excellent local news coverage of her book signing tour. I’m willing to bet that her favorable rating will be at least 55 percent, and a head to head match up with 0bama will show them tied, or maybe even Palin slightly ahead. Even a lot of those who voted for 0bama are becoming disillusioned with his massive out of control spending and social engineering schemes.
Seriouslyly -- some day listen to that shrew Rachel Madcow on MSNBC and the vile tone of shrill nasty voice she uses whenever mentioning Governor Palin's name.
When I happen to listen to AIR AMERICA, all the talk show hosts have the same imperious sarcastic tone when they say her name, and I'm positive that it's going to backfire on them.
It would be a bloodbath if we didn’t let them have their pensions. We’d be better off, paying them off, firing the lot and moving on. I’d be all for not paying them, but as a country, these are people, hired and promised their bennies. Can we tell seniors, no more SS bennies? We just need to weed them all off and NEVER give these lavish bennies again to any segment of society. Term limits would help prevent it. We are in a deep, deep hole, and the dems are digging fast and furious. We just can’t uproot everyone without dire consequences. I’d say, build power plants, all those displaces workers can get jobs there, but it’s just not that simple. The web the libs wove is so complex, so intricate, and that’s the problem, unraveling this mess. Optimally, I’d love to say, fire them all, but we have families and kids and all sorts of stuff tangentially involved. This is by design. And they know it. We have to unravel all this crap. This would just be a start. Someone has to step up. Civil disobedience will run rampant if the dems retain power in 2010.
A upside down mop with a bucket on its head would better than the goofball we have now
“Rachel Madcow” heh...
At some point the question arises, "with what?!" The amounts promised become so great that the money isn't there without impoverishing everyone else. Unlike the Feds, State and local government can't depreciate the value of the promises through inflation, although they can try to get the Feds to do it for them. But thats just another way to transfer wealth and history shows not a desirable one. I agree it would be easier on society to just "pay them off" so long as the price to the rest isn't too great, but some states may be beyond that point already and more are sure to be if we keep putting things off. I agree it is by design that this Gordian knot exists, but someone has to find a method, and the cajones, to cut the knot. Or perhaps push the button - to Saint Hillary "overcharged" meant "reset."
There are twin challenges, the law and the politics. The latter is the harder. We need a Conservative Alexander (not the plaid variety) to lead us through this. The longer we wait the harder it will be for "Whomever The Great." The law is somewhat easier. Just abolishing SS has been constitutional since the Supremes said so under Ike! Getting rid of the contracted pensions, etc. should only be a legal issue for our side; the other side is on the record favoring a living Constitution and all that implies... Fixing things while still keeping faith with those who value a real rule of law is more difficult when so much cr*p has achieved popular status as "law." Most contracts can be legally broken "for cause" with significantly reduced amounts owed to the guilty side. Perhaps we can fire ALL government union employees "for cause" on the grounds that they are part to a scheme designed to destroy the other party. Give them something affordable as a severence package and hire back the ones we really need at real world rates.
“thats” = “that’s”
I've emailed Lou asking him where his mom was born.
I'll let you know if he responds.
____________________________________________________________ If as Comrade Obama Jr claims his dad was Barak Hussein Obama Sr, of Kenya,
than it's not possible for Junior to be a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.
At the time of the drafting and ratification of the United States constitution,
the definition of natural born citizen, combined both the principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis.
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Emmerich De Vattel, (1714-1767,) Law of Nations, 1758, § 212, "Of the citizens and naturals."
I agree with everything you’ve said, but it’s just not so simple, is it? Unless we completely collapse, or can find our way out of it (which, given the current admin, not likely). Our country is a real pickle. And, let’s not forget all those who want ‘obama’s stash’. The libs have been devising this for decades, now, it’s rearing its ugly head, and will not survive. There is no simple solution. Unless we all say, enough. That won’t happen unless there is a radical change in policy. Hopefully there are enough patriots who can weather this storm, because, it’s not going to be pretty no matter who’s in office. The libs will just make us ‘go galt’. The repubs will be blasted by the media. We’re in a real situation. I’m in the go galt camp. We’re ready.
You guys are not just sound bytes, thanks.
We need to raise the public against our enemies, foreign, domestic or elected. Call out and defund the left and tear down their false barriers of political correctness and multiculturalism. Restore faith in traditional American values. Encourage those who should be our allies, e.g. Europe, and lead them out of liberal darkness. The mess is too large to fix all at once, but don't let the left bog us down in minutiae. We may have to take it in steps, but take BIG steps. Look to Reagan and Thatcher for inspiration. If the left, and their media, aren't squealing, loudly, we're not doing enough. If we're lucky some of the public employee unions will go too far and we can repeat the story of Reagan and the Air Traffic Controllers.
What we're mostly lacking is leadership from people in positions of power, pushing and pulling for our agenda. Those currently pushing and pulling, and there are many, lack power. We didn't even have enough power to pick our own presidential candidate last time. The left gave us McCain. That he picked Palin had to be a cruel surprise to them. Our power currently is limited to public demonstrations trying to scare those with the power to squish us. Well, it worked for Yeltsin when Gorby could see the long shadow of Reagan. It's not working in an Iran making Great Satin pillows that aren't typos.
If we can manage to scare them enough to survive the next year and then win enough seats to earn some power in DC, we have a chance. I believe there is good potential leadership there if we can just power them up. DeMint would make a great Senate Majority Leader or a good Minority Leader with Rubio as whip and Toomey running NRSC. The House also has many ready to shine if we can recharge them with fresh blood. Of course with Obama on top we probably can't do more than realign the debate going into 2012. But that is sorely needed.
If Palin wants that job (hopes far exceed knowledge on that) she'd best try to wrap up the nomination before the first votes were cast, as W did in 2000. W did it working through the Republican Governor's Association. That she encouraged donations to them rather than the RNC/NRCC/NRSC, and that they delivered good work in VA and NJ this fall is encouraging. If she can become the presumptive nominee early and have the Congressional GOP singing her song in numbers Obama and the MSM can't just ignore then there would be a chance for a real mandate. Senate races will be huge. Every Rat that escapes becomes a serial cloture vote against all that needs to be done.
Catch the picture of the politician(S). “At her mother’s knees.”
Huckabee 45%-41% and Palin 46%-43% ..............................................................................
Why do you have Huck before Sarah? It seems according to your numbers Sarah is only down 3 while Huck is down by 4?
As is the 9 yr old, down the street.
I would like Liz Cheney, too. The name might be polarizing to some independents, but..sheesh, the girl is SMART! THAT would be a dream team to me, with John Bolton as Sec of State, Duncan Hunter as Sec of Def and Ted Nugent as Dept of Homeland Security ;-)
I’ve been seeing Piper being Mommy’s shadow or mini-me for quite some time.
She mimics EVERYTHING she see’s Mommy doing.
We may have our Piper “Quincy” Palin right there.
I truly believe Sarah will be President in 2012. She's doing too many things at just the right timing. People that say no way...to me, it says more about them, than it says about Sarah. I believe she will systematically get all of the hold outs to realize she can do anything they require of her.
My only reservation is her accent. I'm from MN and know that even though it isn't true, people equate that accent with stupidity...Rose from the Golden Girls or everyone in the movie Fargo (even though Fargo isn't even IN MN)...it's tough to help people's perceptions go beyond that and only see decency and good character---the upside to that accent.
Oh, I am sure (Quincy). What a heck of a roll model Piper is getting from mom. Lucky kids :)
I just thought of how that moniker would cause leftist heads to explode.
I’m going to make sure to refer to Piper “Quincy” Palin often.
“I would like Liz Cheney, too”
Let’s start with Franks. Liz isn’t as experienced, by which I mean with Franks we would sew up the veterans and while Palin is great, she lacks experience in the military. Franks could be her advisor on military matters and Palin could teach Franks about diplomacy.
I sense an entire thread devoted to things (animate AND inanimate) that are way more qualified to be president than the current office holder!! LOL. :-)
I sense an entire thread devoted to things (animate AND inanimate) that are way more qualified to be president than the current office holder!! LOL. :-)
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