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Shoppers, beware the present peril
NY Post ^ | November 27, 2009 | George F. Will

Posted on 11/27/2009 2:56:24 AM PST by Scanian

Another huge value-de stroying hurricane is about to slam America, destroying billions of dollars of value. Another Katrina? No, another Christmas.

This voluntary December calamity is explained in a darkly amusing little book about the size of an iPhone. "Scroogenomics: Why You Shouldn't Buy Presents for the Holidays" comes from a distinguished publisher, Princeton University Press, and an eminent author, Joel Waldfogel of the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton business school. He says that the crux of Yuletide economics, which common sense suggests and research confirms, is:

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christmas; georgewill; giftgiving; satisfaction; value

1 posted on 11/27/2009 2:56:26 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian
I'm of the opinion that sales are going to fall off a cliff this season. The discounts seen today will only be greater as Christmas approaches. My family and I have all stated that we will limit what we spend on each other this year. One idea if you have a credit card that accumulates points is to exchange those points for gift cards and then either give the cards as gifts or purchase gifts with the cards.
2 posted on 11/27/2009 3:06:04 AM PST by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: Scanian

Never forget those stripped socks from my Aunts growing up.


3 posted on 11/27/2009 3:12:34 AM PST by 1776 Reborn (Test kids and politicians (bigger idiots) on the Constitution!)
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To: RU88
In the context of Black Friday shopping where we were all supposed to stampede to crowded malls, I have to ask the Ministry of Propaganda..

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE H1N1 PANIC?

Remember THAT???

4 posted on 11/27/2009 3:13:17 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Lay the proud usurpers low! Tyrants fall in every foe! Liberty's in every blow!")
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To: Gorzaloon
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE H1N1 PANIC? - it went down the hole in the ozone! (remember that?)
5 posted on 11/27/2009 3:17:05 AM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (A country can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Free_at_last_-2001

But only after we threw lots of money at it. IOW, follow the money, someone always makes lots of money on these panic deals.


6 posted on 11/27/2009 3:58:01 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Gorzaloon

Right, as families got together for Thanksgiving we were told it could spread Swine Flu.

But for shopping,,,not a word about being in crowds, shopping and spreading Swine Flu!!1


7 posted on 11/27/2009 4:01:39 AM PST by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: tiki

I want a refund on the $70,000,000,000 the idiot US Fed/Gov spent on the fraud MMCC research. I want it NOW!


8 posted on 11/27/2009 4:04:30 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Scanian

Since retail giants no longer mention Christmas - perhaps Christians should no longer participate in the *holiday* shopping binge.

My adult family members long ago recognized the appalling consumerism we had been sucked into and no longer participate in wanton warehousing or swapping *stuff* no-one needs.

Christmas is for children and charitable giving.


9 posted on 11/27/2009 4:11:18 AM PST by sodpoodle (Stop spreading the wealth and start spreading the truth.)
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To: Scanian

Heve you noticed the the NY Post has one of the crappiest, slowest and downright worthless website? I do like to read a few of their writers and appreciate their mod right ed stance but that website, redone recently, like NYC, totally sux!


10 posted on 11/27/2009 4:14:06 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Scanian
Gifts that people buy for other people are usually poorly matched to the recipients' preferences.

I think many Christmas shoppers buy gifts based on what they themselves would like. I've always tried to put some thought into gift buying so I wouldn't be guilty. Last year my list was short, a couple close friends and my granddaughter (my grandson was in juvenile lockup). I gave my granddaughter money and a set of “Brats” dolls. This year I’ll be looking for anything “Wizards of Waverly Place” and “iCarley”. I won’t be concerned with my grandson - he’s again in juvenile lockup, and he was such a nice kid before puberty. I have a girlfriend who mentioned she wanted a pair of flannel trapdoor footie jammies. That might take some time and effort to find.

11 posted on 11/27/2009 4:33:43 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: sodpoodle
My adult family members long ago recognized the appalling consumerism we had been sucked into and no longer participate in wanton warehousing or swapping *stuff* no-one needs.

Our family has been doing the same thing for the past 3 years - it's GREAT. Just presents for the kids, no one else.

It cuts the stress of buying and receiving junk, frees up time to cook and bake. The kids get a great Christmas instead of a couple of toys from relatives, which helps their parents budget, spend more time baking, etc.

It's stress free and pocketbook rich - a Great Christmas!

12 posted on 11/27/2009 4:35:36 AM PST by libertarian27 (Land of the FEE, home of the SHAMED)
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To: Free_at_last_-2001

I have never gotten the “regular” flu shot and I have done my patriotic best to keep the lines shorter on this H1N1 vaccine. Might just be lucky, but in general, bugs bite me and the bugs die.

Query: Do you know, personally, anyone who has contracted this “pandemic” disease?

Thought not. Pardon my paranoia (you’re not really paranoid if they really are out to get you) but my antennae go up in light of Rahm Emanuel’s comment that one should never waste a good crisis.

Translation: keep’em scared silly,the sheeple will let us do all sorts of un-Constitutional stuff.


13 posted on 11/27/2009 4:49:34 AM PST by barkeep (Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc)
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To: iopscusa

I certainly have noticed it. It is pop-up city and extremely slow. My computer had a memory slot burned out by an apparent lightening strike (the bane of Tampa Bay) and sites like the NYP are murder.

Still, I like most of their writers.


14 posted on 11/27/2009 4:50:30 AM PST by Scanian
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To: sodpoodle

I just give ‘em a gift certificate and a nice card and that’s that.

At my age, buying appropriate gifts for kids and young adults is just not something I’m good at.


15 posted on 11/27/2009 4:52:24 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian
I just give ‘em a gift certificate and a nice card and that’s that.

Ditto that. My four children all received just one gift at Christmas, plus a cash envelope for 1/2 price sales after... and they all loved it. They got to choose their gifts, plus save some $$$

16 posted on 11/27/2009 4:58:06 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: RU88

I grew up half a continent from grandparents in Maine and Texas. Instead of wrong-sized sweaters from Maine and hats from Texas my sister and I got checks.

No problems with redemtion/returns/poor selection, and I promise you, we appreciated it more than if grandma had used lots of time picking out something we would have buried in the back of the closet lest our friends even knew we owned such a geeky thing.

Closing on on 60 myself, advice; unless you are so fortunate as to live nearby and KNOW what the kids/friends want, cash is king, nothing rude about it!


17 posted on 11/27/2009 4:59:12 AM PST by barkeep (Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc)
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To: R. Scott

Try Vermont General store for the jammies...They can be ordered on line.


18 posted on 11/27/2009 5:08:11 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: barkeep

I, personally, and three of my children had H1N1, but it was no big deal for us.


19 posted on 11/27/2009 5:12:57 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Scanian

We gave up trying to buy something for everyone years ago.

For the grandkids, a card and some cash. They know what they want, it is never returned, and I don’t have to risk body and soul shopping.


20 posted on 11/27/2009 5:18:11 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: WVKayaker
I bake cookies...Lots and lots of cookies and give them to friends, family, neighbors and those who would receive no present.

Give my son his cell phone for a combined birthday and Christmas present. It's on the family plan and we can always talk no matter where he is.

Dad gets a book and new PJs, (Bought five books for him in October...cause he loves to read. All conservative ones he's seen on FOX and I get to read them too) He also get to chopped the dates, nuts etc and sample all the cookies.

An Aunt's gives donations to the local animal center as do her kids and grandkids. They all love animals and at least one new kitten usually finds a home on their yearly visit.

21 posted on 11/27/2009 5:18:14 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: barkeep
Have a friend whose entire family has had the HYney flew. Also new preacher lost a teenage brother and sister in his previous church, the week he came to ours. Kids were both sick less than a day, came home from college, went to hospital and died.
22 posted on 11/27/2009 5:22:08 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: RU88

I grew up half a continent from grandparents in Maine and Texas. Instead of wrong-sized sweaters from Maine and hats from Texas my sister and I got checks.

No problems with redemtion/returns/poor selection, and I promise you, we appreciated it more than if grandma had used lots of time picking out something we would have buried in the back of the closet lest our friends even knew we owned such a geeky thing.

Closing on on 60 myself, advice; unless you are so fortunate as to live nearby and KNOW what the kids/friends want, cash is king, nothing rude about it!


23 posted on 11/27/2009 5:22:14 AM PST by barkeep (Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc)
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To: hoosiermama
I like cookies :>)

I spent plenty on books this year. I pre-ordered Sarah Palin's book @ $8 from WalMart online and had each delivered to each person on my list... for free.

Cheap price, great gift... They are selling it for $14.50 + S&H. I told everybody to enjoy it now, and pass it along to their local library. That's where libs will read it! They're too cheap to buy it. (I also sent 4 copies to our local library from Wally's).

24 posted on 11/27/2009 5:32:17 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: hoosiermama

I try to avoid buying clothes online - I like to personally check out what I buy, and if it doesn’t fit it’s easier to return to a local store.
I’ll check out Vermont Country Store - I occasionally browse it when I’ve got noting else to do.


25 posted on 11/27/2009 5:36:22 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: hoosiermama

Nope - granny gowns but no footie jammies.


26 posted on 11/27/2009 5:38:53 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: heartwood

what were your symptoms? how different from regular flu?


27 posted on 11/27/2009 5:47:35 AM PST by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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To: Scanian

I think there was a time when gifts were generally appreciated because the recipients didn’t have much in the first place.

But how do you gift people who have air conditioned houses and vehicles, 40” plasma televisions and cell phones that take pictures?

Not easily.


28 posted on 11/27/2009 5:49:30 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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To: R. Scott

They have them in the catalog:
TWO PIECE FOOTED pj
RED OR BLACK PLAID
small, med, large up to 3X
No 47716

One piece (ALso availble in grey fleece)
same sizes
No.44003


29 posted on 11/27/2009 5:52:44 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: gussiefinknottle

Was more like a cold, sore throat, chesty cough,high fever. Goes into infections very easily. Drs around here are giving antibiotics with the tamaflu....At one time over 20% of our students were out with it....

BTW Canada has discovered that the individuals that are taking 2000 units of D3 daily are not getting it. Those on the placebo are....


30 posted on 11/27/2009 5:55:59 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: sodpoodle
'My adult family members long ago recognized the appalling consumerism we had been sucked into and no longer participate in wanton warehousing or swapping *stuff* no-one needs."

A few years back we instituted a new policy on family gift giving.

Only gifts of good cheer can be purchased for Christmas exchanges (for adults that is) Food, Wine, Alcohol, etc. And usually we unwrap the gifts and then share them around and talk and catchup on family news and happenings.

Everyone likes food (and most like booze) and usually have their guilty pleasures they don't get much of normally. Alot of our female family members have specialties they prepare that another in the family likes and will make a batch or dish to give them. Its alot more fun alot less money and alot less hassle.

31 posted on 11/27/2009 5:58:24 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: WVKayaker

ALso consider giving Conservative books to your local high school and any homeless shelter.


32 posted on 11/27/2009 6:00:08 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: iopscusa; Scanian
I despise NY Post's website, New York Post is among the worst ad-laden junque-filled websites, so I do a search at google -- I just take a couple sentences from the article, and then I look for a CACHE version among the results, and then I simply read the TEXT-ONLY version of one of the cached articles at google.

LOL!!

google cache TEXT version of the above article

33 posted on 11/27/2009 6:07:50 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: DvdMom; hoosiermama
*ping*

>>>> "BTW Canada has discovered that the individuals that are taking 2000 units of D3 daily are not getting it. Those on the placebo are...." <<<<

VERY interesting, do you happen to know where you learned this, hoosiermama?

34 posted on 11/27/2009 6:11:13 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: gussiefinknottle

It wasn’t different from a regular flu. For most people, it isn’t. For me, very mild, for my children, normal flu, aches, cough, sore throat, fever, one up-chucker.


35 posted on 11/27/2009 6:12:11 AM PST by heartwood
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To: gussiefinknottle

It wasn’t different from a regular flu. For most people, it isn’t. For me, very mild, for my children, normal flu, aches, cough, sore throat, fever, one up-chucker.


36 posted on 11/27/2009 6:12:15 AM PST by heartwood
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To: gussiefinknottle

It wasn’t different from a regular flu. For most people, it isn’t. For me, very mild, for my children, normal flu, aches, cough, sore throat, fever, one up-chucker.


37 posted on 11/27/2009 6:12:15 AM PST by heartwood
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To: hennie pennie; neverdem

From FR. Am on a Med/science ping list that listed the article regarding h1n1 and d-3 on it. IIRC neverdem is the pinger.


38 posted on 11/27/2009 6:16:07 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: sodpoodle

Christmas is for honoring the birth of our Savior with gifts from the heart, not necessarily extravagance and mountains of toys. When I was a wee one, relatives gave baked goodies, hand-made scarves or sweaters, that sort of thing. “Santa” brought modest gifts; I recall receive a doll (note: just one) with some hand-made clothes (courtesy of Mrs. Santa, aka my mom) one year, which felt like the best Christmas present ever.

Nowadays, I watch some of the shows on HGTV that show you how to sell your overpriced house, and see MOUNTAINS of toys (which the experts are quick to say, “put those away and out of sight”) covering almost every surface of the house—and the true meaning of Christmas as well, at this time of the year.

We’ve forgotten a lot about what’s important in life.


39 posted on 11/27/2009 6:56:11 AM PST by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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To: martin_fierro; Squantos; Constitution Day; Eaker

I'm "re-gifting" this year, FReep mail me your addresses, ok?

40 posted on 11/27/2009 7:02:48 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: RoadTest

Look at it this way. You can’t compete with their current possessions. What small thing are they currently missing? Maybe they need a gardener, and maybe you garden. Give a gift certificate for a few hours of your gardening—or some other thing you can do, but which they lack. Buying someone already overloaded with STUFF more of the same isn’t much of a gift, is it?


41 posted on 11/27/2009 7:04:16 AM PST by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Squantos; Constitution Day; Eaker

42 posted on 11/27/2009 7:35:57 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: R. Scott
I think many Christmas shoppers buy gifts based on what they themselves would like.

I got my wife a really neat reloading outfit - I'm sure she'll like it. ;-)

43 posted on 11/27/2009 12:13:50 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Scanian

I can’t stand George Will. Here he is pontificating about the “correct” gifts to give to others, while most Americans have a list of only the most pragmatic, practical, budget priced items of necessity for this Christmas season. George Will is simply utterly out of touch.


44 posted on 11/27/2009 12:17:52 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: hoosiermama

Guess I’ll have to get the catalogue - I still have a month.


45 posted on 11/27/2009 1:12:51 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Oatka

WOW! That’s as good as buying her a new vacuum cleaner!


46 posted on 11/27/2009 1:14:02 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: martin_fierro

LMAO !

Keeper !


47 posted on 11/27/2009 3:41:57 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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