Posted on 11/18/2009 8:42:02 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
It’s been a little while since a good confrontation between a birther and a member of Congress, but here’s one from last week: a constituent of Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.) asking his congressman why Republicans won’t do anything about the “eligibility issue.” It makes for awkward viewing, as Garrett’s staff clearly wants a change of subject from an audience that seems to be fine with pushing the question. At around 4:40 in the video, the congressman finally engages.
“Obviously, there is no political solution to it,” says Garrett. “Even if the entire Republican Party was united on the issue–”
He’s cut off by another constituent. “Have him show his birth certificate! It’s as simple as that! None of this ‘talk about it, talk about it’ — just let’s see the birth certificate!”
“I agree,” says Garrett — who’s not one of the 12 sponsors of the “birther bill.”
Video after the jump:
I sure hope so. I wonder if the GOP and moderate Dems are waiting for O’s negatives to get very very high.
Garrett is a great Congressman and a political friend as well. The best Congresscritter from NJ!
It seemed so 6 months ago. This issue has no legs.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
Ping!!
Anyone hear whether or not Rev. Manning has been arrested yet?
He seemed dead set on getting arrested in order to finally get this through the courts.
ping
It will be tough after BO is sworn in. Throughout history you will find prosecutions are put aside to preserve stability of a nation during a crisis. Today we have a financial meltdown and currency crisis. Huge debt threaten to destroy the US and world economy. Wall Street and the US government knows that and are desperately trying to stabilize the situation and slowly dismantle the liabilities and inflate away the debt without triggering hyperinflation. There is enough out there to prosecute Wall Street execs and their inner staff for fraud and SEC violations, but I think the government knows that the people responsible for the mess are the people who have the knowledge to guide us out of the mess, thus prosecution is put off and may never be pursued in exchange for Wall Street willingness to cooperate. Question to the real powers to be, at this moment of US economic crisis do you want to further destablize American confidence in their government with the Impeachment of Pres Obama. It has ramifications if Obama does not have proof of citizenship and worst if proven he was born overseas and not eligible for POTUS. Scandal will engulf Dean head of DNC, and Obama’s wife Michelle. It will also involve the officials of Hawaii and the officials of his college for not coming foward on such an important legal crime. One of my friends joked, there will be a rash of suicides, acidental deaths and natural deaths like we never seen before of all those involved. That is how big I think this crisis can be. I think birthers will hit an official wall made up of Dems, GOP, corporate America, and the true ruling elites of this country in the name of national stability. I think maybe 70 years from now when records are unseal, the birthers will have their answer.
Garrett is a great Congressman and a political friend as well. The best Congresscritter from NJ!
Yeah? Well tell him to make some noise about this issue then please.
.... Check out the article, and comment #12.
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i agree. This will take time to get legs. People had to feel uncomfortable about him. He demonstrates that he’s not for this country daily. People are starting to feel it.
Yeah, that may be, but in the meantime the Usurper in Chief is dragging the entire country into hell. That’s not “stability” to me. Sometimes to cure a disease a bit of cutting/surgery/chemo has to be done. Just keeping the tumor in so the patient remains stabilized leads only to further (possibly fatal) illness.
Stability? 0bama will ruin the country. That’s not stability.
One can only hope. They can purge themselves now or wait until they are eliminated for knowing too much.
I for one don’t care what it cost in life/blood/treasure
or anything else that man holds dear!!!
I don’t care if there are Riots!!!
The Law Is The Law!!!...
HOMELAND SECURITY LAUNCHES INVESTIGATION OF REV. MANNING ( video )
There are a number of links to video on the thread ,...but I believe link at post #81 has the Rev saying that the only way to get Obama out of office is via the 'Birth Certificate'.
Check thread linked at post #19.....for info....last I read it he had not.
And yet when Congressman Garrett had an opportunity to challenge Obama’s Electoral College votes on the grounds of ineligibility and stop his inauguration at the joint session of Congress chaired by Dick Cheney on January 8, 2009 to certify the Electoral College vote, he and 434 other members of Congress and 100 Senators just sat on their hands and said/did nothing.
All it would have taken is any one Senator and any one Congressman/Woman to submit a written objection and an investigation would have had to been conducted.
Its politically expedient for politicians to object NOW that Obama’s Electoral College votes are certified and he is sworn in by the Chief Justice (twice).
I think what Fee is saying is that only 0 can take himself down right now. He’s defended by the media, rabid fans, and the powers that be. He’s the ultimate “yes-man”. Surgery on this wound can only make it worse today.
I’m thinking long-term, preparing to pick up the pieces. Why fight to the death a machine so clearly destined to fail on its own? Have patience and be ready with a better way once the inevitable happens.
The sooner more leakage, the better.
When public opinion swells against him, the end will be in sight. My preference is leg shackles, second would be the strait jacket.
"While only 13 per cent of Democratic Party supporters believe Obama was not born in the U.S., the proportion rises to 25 per cent among Independents and 51 per cent among Republican Party backers.
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/obama_was_not_born_in_us_republicans_say
I pray that just once I would see justice against our nation's Marxists in my lifetime.
Riots and unrest are only a minor consequence in comparison to what we face if this usurper remains in office.
The birthers being branded as “crazy” flew nicely before the process of reality setting in started. Since O has done nothing but one disaster after another, it looks like a little bit of reality might be starting to seep through into American’s minds. It continues to look like the country is economically sputtering without hope of a turnaround as long as the communists inhabit the administration. Once things get bad enough, O will be thrown under the bus even by the MSM. At that point, no one will have much reason to oppose forcing a look at that birth certificate, and it will make a nice excuse for throwing O out of office both for Dems and Repubs - everybody. That’s what I predict, for what it’s worth...
Oh, and Mr. Garrett has scored 100% on his voting. NJ’s little secret is that it is NOT a blue state, but a blue and a red stuck together. If there was a way, the state would instantaneously split into two. But the ultra-corrupt cities won’t let go, like shoe-poo. It’s been a giant wealth redistribution / robbery scheme for as long as I can remember. Mr. Garrett is just about as conservative as one can get and has performed superbly in voting for NJ.
Thanks Mr. Garrett !
Yes.
It is my hunch that SCOTUS--still smarting collectively from Bush v. Gore, and not wanting to be perceived as a decider of presidential fortunes--wants the solution to be political in nature. When there is sufficient political incentive to remove BO from office, I think some of the eligibility cases might "magically" gain sudden traction.
Just a theory, of course.
With the Kenyan birth certificate, so goes swift impeachment and criminal prosecution for the entire fraudulently ‘elected’ Obama administration.
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It seemed so 6 months ago. This issue has no legs. I've long believed that once the public has turned against Obama — like they are now — some who have discarded questions about Obama’s Eligibility in the past will look at ANY means to give rid of the Idiot. Understand that some here STRICTLY believe Obama was NOT born in Hawaii and STRICTLY pursue that "angle." Others also point to a fraudulent birth certificate. It's quite hard to prove BOTH accusations without prima facie from the State of Hawaii, but it's possible nonetheless. However, these are just two aspects of Obama's Eligibility problem.
ALSO, as a child, Obama (Barry Soetoro) appears to be an Indonesian citizen for up to five years, which may have bearing on his NBC status: |
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| A small army of citizens and attorneys have been pursuing this for quite some time now — don't confuse their quietness & obscurity as defeatism. The biggest obstacle regarding a proper addressing of Obama's Dual Citizenship at birth has NOT been that it has no merit, but that Standing (and Venue) has not been properly presented. Obama and Robert Bauer would be ill-advised to think that Obama & the US Attorneys' "non-defense" will last Obama the entire four years — some legal group will find the correct approach and bring this before a judge successfully for full consideration of the merits. It's not a matter of IF, but WHEN. Many cases are in the hopper now at various stages of the appealate process. As the slobbering Obama Love Fest comes to a crashing end, this issue will likely get the legs — and attention — that has been lacking due to misdirection of the Left and the MSM.
Further, it certainly appears Obama has lied about a GREAT many things ...
Are you SO sure he hasn't lied about the events surrounding his citizenship as a child and young adult that might have affected his Natural Born Citizen status? REALLY — are you 100% positive that it's impossible??!
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Thanks for the update and clarification. I sure hope you’re right that we get Obama thrown out of office. The way the (corrupt) legal system is today, it’s a bigger challenge than it would have been 50 years ago.
It’s going to be harder to avoid as time goes on.
Yes, it would “destabilize the country” for a time. But the country is unstable as the political elite have come to believe they are above the rule of law and the constitution is dead. They openly cheat in elections. They openly steal from the treasury and have spend us into debt beyond what is sane and safe for the country. They conspire with foreigners, banksters and corporations against the interest of the US and the American people and our constitution. It is the old “too big to fail” argument; too big to be held under the rule of law.
The destabilization process of exposing and prosecuting these frauds would be like cleaning a festering sore on the head of this country. I would hurt but unless the wound is dealt with we will lose the patient to the infection.
The criminal enterprise that is known as the American government and political and economic elite has been ongoing and getting worse for decades now. Most Americans have already lost confidence our government because it is no longer ruled by law and the constitution is dead. It is not ruled by law because no one wants to destabilize it because the corruption is so complete.
Under ordinary circumstances - if this was the only fraud this pack of thieves was running on the Nation - I would agree to leave it alone. But not now. The corruption is too complete and dangerous for the survival of the nation and it's system of freedom. Whatever the people can do to frog march a bunch of them off to trial for treason, will serve future generations who will know that in America, no one is above the rule of law and the oath Americans in power take to defend the constititution really means what it says. And no one is too big to be held responsible for undermining our system of elections and government from within.
Excellent post and reply
Check out SaraJohnson's reply at #39
Kennedy said it best -
when peaceful revolution is made impossible,
violent revolution becomes inevitable.
New Jersey doesn't have A LOT of conservative representation but we do have Scott Garrett who has shown to be one of us - conservative.
I support your post with one exception. I fear that the FactCheck claim that Obama was “governed by the BNA of 1948” is clever trap. A trap like the trap-door over the shark tank in a Bond flick that Obama is inviting us all to stand on, IMHO!
Ineligibility due to dual citizenship alone can be easily defeated by revelation that his parents marriage was bigamous. I can just see him saying “I had no idea that my father was a bigamist and that his Kenya “tribal marriage” to Kezia actually had legal standing under the 1948 BNA. Who knew?”
Just this past week at least three major stories on Obama’s brother, Mark declare that Mark's mother was BHO Sr’s third or fourth wife explicitly acknowledging the Kezia marriage but with zero fact checking on whether there was ever a divorce from Kezia (while 11 AP factcheckers examine Palin’s book).
Obama would still lack two US citizen parents if bigamy excluded the 1948 BNA, but would not be a dual citizen, making ineligibility more difficult to prove. John Jay specifically cited dual citizenship as the reason for the NBC clause, not lack of two US citizen parents, due to being a legally fatherless child.
This is a high bar.
Even if the HI vital records show report of a home birth reported by grandma, absent proof of a birth elsewhere that meets the federal rules of evidence, the HI home birth report is sufficient to provide legal presumption of an HI birth.
Judge Carter even went so far as to say in effect that if HI has accepted the legal validity of a birth report and Kenya records show a Kenya birth, a US court would not likely prefer a foreign record over the HI record.
To dismiss Kreep and Taitz’s case Carter had to decide whether plaintiffs could prevail “even if all of their claims were true” and Carter seemed to indicate that even if Lucas Smith's Kenya BC were validated, it wouldn't be sufficient to overcome HI’s validation of Obama’s HI birth. Judge Carter ignored and precluded the possibility that evidence obtained in discovery could tilt the court in favor of the Kenya BC over the HI vital recort.
I think Judge Carter is wrong and could be reversed on this point in a different circuit, but it shows how high the bar of proof must be that the HI vital record has an opening that would allow for a Kenya or other non-US birth.
Fortunately for our side, Obama’s desperate attempts to hide the HI vital birth record points to problems that allow for a foreign birth. In contrast, Obama shows no fear at all of the dual citizen issue, even advertising the issue.
Check out #33.
Then, #39.
Also, #45 and #46.
I don’t recall ever seeing that registration of gradebook. Is that new or did I just miss it. Some very odd things on that, very odd.
Watch him.
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Judge Carter even went so far as to say in effect that if HI has accepted the legal validity of a birth report and Kenya records show a Kenya birth, a US court would not likely prefer a foreign record over the HI record.
Well, that depends on what is in Obama’s official Birth Record file ...Is it a true LONG-FORM, "CertificATE of Live Birth" signed by a M.D. or midwife? ... or some type of "Certificate of Late Birth" with modifications, even as late as 2005? ... or affidavits signed by Ann Dunham or even Obama himself after the birth ... ... leading to a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" (permitted for births before 1972)? OR perhaps even NOTHING at all (a lost, invalid or incomplete "root document" — remembering that Obama's computer-generated CertificaTION is UNIQUE, stating
The intricacies of Today's and prior versions of HRS §338, changes in Social Security requirements (in 1972), and Hawaii Department of Health internal policies lend to many, MANY different possibilities that are not obvious to the casual observer ...
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