Posted on 09/18/2009 5:27:55 PM PDT by RobinMasters
A judge has told lawyers whose clients are challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president they cannot start digging into the president's historical records right now, and he'll adjust a scheduled Jan. 26, 2010, trial date if they end up needing more time for their research.
The ruling comes from U.S. District Judge David Carter in a California lawsuit brought by several political candidates and party officials, including former U.S. ambassador Alan Keyes and Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson of the American Independent Party.
They are suing Obama alleging that he was not and is not eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in the Oval Office. They are represented by Orly Taitz, who has worked on a multitude of lawsuits over Obama's eligibility, and Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation.
Kreep had responded to the government's motion requesting a stay in the discovery process, the procedures through which valuable evidence is assembled in a lawsuit, by requesting immediate access to Obama's records such as his original long-form birth certificate and his Occidental College records.
The plaintiffs' suspicion is that those records would, in fact, undermine the president's statements that he is a "natural born" citizen, which could disqualify him. For example, an original birth certificate could indicate that it was a "delayed" filing, which could open the door for a birth location outside the United States.
Likewise, the Occidental College records could be significant if Obama attended on a program for foreign students, or represented himself as a foreign student at the time.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Ping.
Excuse me! Why do they not just produce the damn record???
Anyone know if Kreep and Orly are following the important thing Leo found? It is on Leo’s web site.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
The DOJ lawyers screwed up and opened up a door for Orly or Kreep to drive a truck through if they are paying attention.
In his zeal to destroy the paper trail of his youth, Bummer actually had the darn thing shredded.
We the People are getting tired of the Feds....cr%&....
Doubt that he has a long-form BC and the other documents are probably very damaging to him also.
No kidding.
Communist Mole
Ping.
Looks like this judge got a phone call.
Any idea what happened?
Because they have to follow the legal rules or Obama will throw out the decision, and we will be back to square one. The i’s and t’s have to be dotted and crossed in the correct order. Frustrating, but true.
I pray for the Judge’s safety. Seriously.
Obama in big trouble. Tonite on O’Reily Sally Quinn...Ms. WAPO..Fired a shot across Obamas bow. This tells me even the Washington elite liberal establishment is getting scared. We are under a Communist assault.
My version: We the People no longer trust the feds nor have any faith in a judicial system wherein influence, fear, tyranny and political persuasion can influence decisions designed to protect our nation and the rules upon which it was founded.
History will eventually note the birth certificate controversy and who is on the right side of it and who has reason to silence those asking for the truth.
If corruption occurred within the highest realm of our government, (failure to disclose or improper vetting), our courts are supposed to discover that and it must be corrected. Whether our court system (and applicable judges) can be bought and paid for or made to fear for their lives, we'll never know, but we, as citizens, can only hope justice will be done and whatever discovery is required no matter whom the individual upon which the case is based.
... Check out the article.
Adding a FRmail because there's no other place to post it.
From xxx | 09/18/2009 5:44:20 PM PDT new
Duckworth & Obama have kama’aina connection.
Both were born outside the country, Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand http://tw0.us/1iM
“can only hope justice will be done...”
We’re done with “Hope” and with “Change” around here.....the only “hope and change” that’s gonna happen will occur FROM WITHIN flyover country.....may not be real pretty...
Yes. It's a crack that can lead to a grand canyon wide crack.
I honestly fear there will come a day when those of us who have persisted in demanding settle this question are seen, not as the buffoons we are now, but as prophets and prescient. Sadly, there will be little satisfaction in the recognition by that time.
I hope Orly, Kreep and other lawyers are on it. I hope Orly and Kreep have helpers. This could be huge.
Leo does the best research but I think a guy posting on his web site John The Blogger found it. Leo is very good about giving credit. Leo’s sister is an attorney and she has helped as well.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
I think Orly and Kreep have to get this to the court on Monday. I hope they get it written up this weekend.
Bumping your posted link at #22...
Thanks. I hope Orly and Kreep are writing it up this weekend. I think they need to submit it by Monday. if anyone can contact them - let them know.
Leo has done the heavy lifting on the research. The info is on his web site below.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Great post, and thank you.
My personal hunch is that Leo is the one to watch on this and that he will be the greatest help.
I think about some of the other controversies of recent history, not so much who killed JFK, but the more recent Clinton controversies and mysteries such as Vince Foster's death or even TWA Flt. 800. The Clinton Crime family taught us one thing: It's never what you know, but what you can prove.
There are the "official" explanations that attempt to explain away the controversies and enough believe them to let the story go away.
With regard to obama and his BC controversy, I hope we do get justice instead of one of those "official" explanations.
That’s beautiful...
Yup. Leo took some time off but he consistently comes up with the best research. I think John The Blogger on his web site came up with this. I know he has contact with Mario Apuzzo who has his case in S NJ but he is getting the stall in court.
Orly & Kreep may have the best shot but they need to probably write up Leo’s suggestion this week and file it with the court on Monday.
As do I. Isn’t the judge a Marine? I hope there are plenty of “like minded individuals” with certain “skills” who are looking out for the judge.
Kreep is on it with his 14th September filing.
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C. POLITICAL QUESTION Defendants allege that this matter of Barack Obama’s eligibility is a Political Question that is best left to the political branches to determine. In
addition, Defendants allege, on Pages 13 through 15 of their Motion to Dismiss, that Federal legislation has already provided a remedy for disputes over a candidate’s
eligibility for office. As support for this position, Defendant’s cite 3 United States Code (hereinafter referred to as “U.S.C.”) Section 15 as the only mechanism after an
election by which to challenge the qualifications of a candidate. Defendant’s interpretation is incorrect
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announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses.” (3 U.S.C.A. § 15). Next, the President of the Senate calls for objections, if any, which are to be made in writing: “Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be
made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House
of Representatives before the same shall be received.” (3 U.S.C.A. § 15). The objections may not, however, be made on any matter concerning the Presidential Election.
The statute limits the objections to “any vote or paper from a State”: “When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, ...”
(3 U.S.C.A. § 15 [emphasis added]). Finally, the remedy for the objections made is for each House of Congress to examine the Electors from that State, and determine
whether the Electors were properly elected or appointed and whether those Electors had properly cast their votes: “... the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such
objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes
when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting
to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by
the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been
made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State;
but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors,
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Sooner or later...
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
The idea that Barry enrolled as a foreign student at Occidental seems very plausible.
If you consider the dorm roommates that Occidental College matched him with.
By most accounts, Barry had to live on campus for his first two years.
Most colleges then, as they do today,
factor in as many common elements as possible
when pairing dorm roommates.
Did Occidental College pair Barry with Hawaiians ? No.
Did Occidental College pair Obama with African Americans ? No.
Did Occidental College pair Obama with Americans ? No.
Well then, whom did they pair him with ?
Imad Husain , a Pakistani Muslim foreign exchange student was paired with Barry.
Mohammed Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid , ironically, also Muslim Pakistani foreign exchange students,
were also linked with Barry.
Vinai Thummalapally, a foreign exchange student from India lived with Barry his second year.
And his bestest friend , Columbia roommate and drug dealer, Sohale Siddiqi met Barry through his roommates.
This was the group that did the Spring Break tour of Pakistan when every other American college kid
was getting ripped in Daytona and Ft Lauderdale.
” Obama first met Siddiqi when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles. Obama was living with a group of Pakistani students when Siddiqi arrived for a visit. “
Either the Student Affairs office at Occidental was playing games or they appropriately matched Barry with fellow Southeast Asian foreign exchange students .
Normally, there is a time to object. However, Pelosi, interrupting Cheney, stands up and starts clapping, followed immediately by a standing ovation by the House. You can see one man, the Rep from Ohio(?) with his hand in the air as if to object but he is never recognized.
This video next shows Bush's electoral college vote count presided over by Gore. Plenty of objections to Bush!
See post 33.
judge fears death panel action; lifetime appointment doesn’t exclude untimely death to help inform and instruct the others interested in pursuing this issue?
I am glad Orly did not boot Gary Kreep off this case. Hopefully Kreep can make some headway along the lines of Leo is suggesting.
Just DAMN !! THAT could be a series can of worms...
So. O will pardon himself?
Why is Obama being represented by Justice Department lawyers in the first place? Seems like he should be represented by a personal lawyer.
Notice also that the Justice Department lawyers are not arguing that Obama is a natural born citizen. They are arguing, instead, that the Federal courts have no authority in the matter.
Well, if eligibility is determined by the Constitution, and you believe that Federal courts decide Constitutional issues, then it seems at some point a Federal court does have a say in the matter.
On the other hand, nobody is saying that election law or the electoral process is unconstitutional in any way. So there is no problem with the requirement for eligibility, just the eligibility of the person himself, which is why Obama should be represented by a personal lawyer.
There's something fishy going on over at the Justice Department.
Thank you
The entire freaking country has been injured by having Obama in office. (yeah, I understand the legal requirement of standing)
Bttt
bttt
Got to get the word to Orly and Kreep A.S.A.P.
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