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Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 22, 2009 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 07/22/2009 8:30:14 PM PDT by RobinMasters

The announcements of Barack Obama's birth printed by two Hawaii newspapers in 1961 do not provide solid proof of a birth in the Aloha State because of uncertainties over the policies and procedures that apparently were being used at the time.

The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, now reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health.

"We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System," a Star-Bulletin newsroom operator explained to WND.

The operator said, "This is how we've always done it."

The newspaper's "proof" of birth, therefore, could be based on a state-issued "Certification of Live Birth" which, as WND has reported is insufficient alone, even for some State Department officials, to document the birthplace.

Many people remain unaware a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a Certification of Live Birth, the very "evidence" the White House has cited in defending its assertion Obama was born in Hawaii.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: article2section1; barackobama; bho2009; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; eligibility; ineligible; kenya; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; racheldoro; usurper
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To: hoosiermama

Stanley Ann Dunham was born on November 29, 1942

Sorry, I cannot answer your other questions.


241 posted on 07/24/2009 4:31:02 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: MHGinTN
What a disgustingly liberal thing to try and float at FR ... you would allow this affirmative action liar set the Constitution aside on his word that something ‘embarrassing’ is contained on the actual documents of his birth, and disregard the document fraud of him posting a ficticious CoLB to demand you leave him alone.

I defy you to find where I said any such thing. I think you have become unhinged. I have said since this issue first arose, sometime in the spring of 2008, that he should be required to show his birth certificate. I suspect that the reason that he does not is not that he wasn't born there, but there is something else on it that he doesn't want revealed. That's his motive, I have never said it was a valid excuse.

You have serious issues.

242 posted on 07/24/2009 5:08:42 PM PDT by Defiant (Republican elites reject conservatism with great conviction and reject Marxism unless it is popular.)
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To: Defiant
I have serious issues with Barack Obama ... and when a Freeper allows a liberal talking point to color their thinking, I pounce on it for what it is.

During the campaign, Axelrod used a method of layering lies onto any controversial issue regarding his 'boy'. The first lie was usually as seemingly innocent as implying 'Obama may have soemthing embarrassing on his birth certificate and he shouldn't be shamed just to prevent him running.'

You promoted that little 'innocent' deceit for him with your posts. The issue is not his embarrassment, it is his criminal behavior and possible ineligibility to hold office and him knowing damned well he is ineligible because he is suing any means he can to prevent anyone finding out just how ineligible he is!

Yeah, I've got serious issues with aiding this affirmative action fraud and his lying criminal enablers. I am sensitive to agitprops playing Freepers for idiots, too, by repeating the lies floated by Axelrod's astroturfing machine to cover for his bastard-in-chief.

243 posted on 07/24/2009 5:20:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: hoosiermama; Fred Nerks
when did St Ann turn eighteen?

Ann (reportedly) married Obama SR on Feb. 2, 1961   ANN'S EXACT AGE: 18 years, 2 months, 5 days

Ann (reportedly) gave birth to Obama JR on Aug. 4, 1961 (reportedly in Hawaii)   ANN'S EXACT AGE: 18 years, 8 months, 7 days

What are the laws of HI?

Assuming the laws are the same in 1960-1961 as they are today...

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/hawaii-age-of-consent-lawyers.html

In Hawaii, the legal age of consent to have sex is 16 years old. A person who is 14 or older can legally consent to sex with a person who is 19 or younger.

In Hawaii, it is illegal to have sex with a person under the age of 14 under any circumstances. However, it is legal to have sex with a person between the ages of 14 and 16, provided that the older party is no more than 5 years older than the minor.


Similar laws should govern parental decisions as well.

Ann(a) Obama and her husband should have been able to make decisions for the baby. But from various accounts, Obama Sr didn't want to be involved with baby Obama. And according to Susan Blake who saw Ann with the baby in Seattle 3 weeks after he was born -- Ann didn't even know how to change the diaper very well.

244 posted on 07/24/2009 5:41:01 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2
thanks... But from various accounts, Obama Sr didn't want to be involved with baby Obama.

if the birthdate for the child is correct, and obama snr left Hawaii on the 22nd of June, 1962, and courted Ruth (now Ndesandjo) at Harvard, he didn't show much interest in his 'fatherhood' at all. Absent any evidence that 'mother and father' ever lived together...leads me to question paternity altogether.

245 posted on 07/24/2009 5:47:10 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: MHGinTN
MHG, you are a caricature of a conservative. Instead of thinking, you are foaming at the mouth. Your kind is the kind that liberals plant here to make real conservatives look like lunatics. I would not doubt that that is your purpose here; it has happened before, once quite recently.

I'm comfortable with the position that Obama ought to be required to show his birth certificate, even though I think the likelihood is that he was born in Hawaii. He needs to prove he was born in Hawaii, just like I have to provide my BC to get a passport even though everyone "knows" I was born in MO, and my kids have to show a BC to go to school and play little league baseball.

None of the wild-ass speculation about where he was born makes a bit of a difference. The point is that it's up to him to prove where he was born, NOT US, and he hasn't. Why he doesn't produce a BC is unknown at this time. You don't know and neither do I. You think, based on some pretty flimsy evidence, that it's because he wasn't born in HI. I look at the existing evidence and come to the conclusion that it is likely (not conclusive, but likely) that he was born in HI, and therefore, there is probablya different reason that he is obstructing the truth.

But the point is, neither of us knows jack. We weren't there. Although I have seen his mom naked, it wasn't at the right moment. Neither of us will truly know the reason for his concealment until someone forces him to produce the BC.

I know you are beyond reason on this, but maybe I can reach some others who have been enticed by the lovely dream of eligibility. Hopefully those others will step back from the brink of lunacy and calm down enough to focus on what needs to be done--get the birth certificate!

246 posted on 07/24/2009 6:35:04 PM PDT by Defiant (Republican elites reject conservatism with great conviction and reject Marxism unless it is popular.)
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To: Polarik
Phone in announcements were a convenience, they saved a 20 cent bus ride from Makiki to the Honolulu Advertiser and Star Bulletin publishers which were the same site at the time.

6085 Kalanianaole Hwy.....was it ever mentioned earlier that Madelyn Dunham was the loan officer at the Bank of Hawaii( like car loans, business loans.....mortgages)?
247 posted on 07/24/2009 8:31:33 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Government needs a Keelhauling now and then.)
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To: hoosiermama; Fred Nerks
I was so delighted seeing the photos of the nuptials of Stanley Ann and Barack Sr. on Maui .......that I forget what I was going to add next.

Stanley Dunham was stand up giving his daughter away and the tearful Madelyn moved me to ......disbelief.
248 posted on 07/24/2009 8:50:04 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Government needs a Keelhauling now and then.)
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To: BIGLOOK

You’re not the only one, I’m speechless myself! What a beautiful wedding gown...and the blue-bird of happiness sitting on the shoulder of the bride, tell the truth, there were tears in my eyes.

ROFLMBO!


249 posted on 07/24/2009 9:08:07 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: BIGLOOK; null and void; Beckwith; stockpirate; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; Myrddin; ...

Everyone should read Beckwith’s storyline, http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/IssueBirthAnnouncement.htm, about the birth announcement that suddenly appeared ten days after the real occupant of that house, Thelma Jones Lefforge Young died on June 12, 2008.

http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/IssueBirthAnnouncement.htm

That date should ring a bell with everyone as it was the date that the scan image forgery was posted on the Daily Kos and the now-defunct “Fight The Smears” websites!

There is a prevailing opinion on the blogsphere that this birth announcement was forged, and I can’t rule out forgery, either. I did an anlysis of it last year and saw suspicious parts of it.

I mentioned here, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2298872/posts?page=224#224, that I discovered the second half of these birth listings were put in chronological order, from Aug 4 to Aug 7.

I remember a posting on the TexasDarlin blog where someone proficient in typesetting said that he believes that the type used for the Obama announcement, and the ones above and below, were recently set and that part was reprinted. I have to go back and look.

But, here’s the deal: maybe the forger reset the entire 2nd half of listings and put them in chronological order.

Someone needs to get a copy of the birth announcements for the week before (Aug 6) and the week after (Aug 20) to see if there is any chronological ordering.

If not, then we have proof that the Aug 13 listing was altered.


250 posted on 07/25/2009 9:31:23 AM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: Defiant
What college did Ms. Dunham attend? Where did she meet BH Obama, Sr.? Where was she living in 1961? Do you have any information that she had moved off the island of Hawaii in 1961, and if so, what is it? If she moved, did she move to Kenya? Why, so she could meet BHO, Sr.'s other wives?

She went to college at University of Hawaii-Manoa, for the Fall term of 1960. She supposedly met BHO Sr at the school's Russian Language Institute. Not much trace, if any, of her until late August of '61. At that time she showed up in the Seattle Area, with little Barry, looking all pink, but she did not yet know how to change his nappies, all as reported by one of her high school friends. She had graduated from Mercer Island High school in 1960, and moved to Hawaii right after that. She attended University of Washington for the Fall, Winter and Spring terms of '61-62.

251 posted on 07/25/2009 11:06:05 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Fred Nerks
the birth announcement shows the same street address as her husband’s clinic? It's the same street, but not the same address. It is about 1.4 miles away.
252 posted on 07/25/2009 11:30:35 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato

Re-posting for those who haven't seen it...


253 posted on 07/25/2009 12:34:35 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: El Gato

Thank you, that was helpful.


254 posted on 07/25/2009 10:32:31 PM PDT by Defiant (Republican elites reject conservatism with great conviction and reject Marxism unless it is popular.)
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To: Polarik
Everyone should read Beckwith’s storyline, http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/IssueBirthAnnouncement.htm, about the birth announcement that suddenly appeared ten days after the real occupant of that house, Thelma Jones Lefforge Young died on June 12, 2008.

I'm not sure where Beckwith gets his information, but Thelma Lefforge Young died on June 28, 2008, not June 12. Check the Social Security Death Index.

255 posted on 07/26/2009 11:58:03 AM PDT by LorenC
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To: El Gato

Found an article recently that said Sarah lived in Jericho. (SR considered Sarah’s house his home.)Jericho is a burb of Niarobi. And there appears to be a school at it eastern edge. (Still on dial-up, till tomorrow, but look at the map and see if you can find it.)

It looks to be a mission school and am curious if that is where Sr found the two missionaries teachers that prepared him for the exam he took at the AM embassy to qualify for the scholarship to U of HI.


256 posted on 08/19/2009 6:19:42 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Polarik; BP2; STARWISE; LucyT

Look at the lines on top and bottom of the ads. Then look at the frequency of announcements. 4 than ad four then ad, lots...announcement is about where an add should be and there is a line above and below the Obama announcement just like in the ads.....or am I seeing things. Please check it out!


257 posted on 08/19/2009 6:46:10 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama
I see a "Huruma Girls High School" and an Aquinas High School. Between them there is what is labeled. "Marianists, The". (Marianistas, or in the US the "Christian Brothers" , my Spanish professor had been one in his younger days in Cuba, where he played basketball against Fidel). I see a "Church Industrial training center, all that near the Airport/Air Base).

Farther east I see "Ofafa Jericho High School", "St. Philips Anglican Church", "Shepherds Education Complex" (near a police station). Also "East Africa School of Theology", plus several elementary schools with secular sounding names. Farther east in an area called "Umoja" there is a "Carmelvale Catholic Primary School"

258 posted on 08/19/2009 8:14:51 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: MHGinTN

Just push the abuse button and ask the moderator to moderate the individual.


259 posted on 08/19/2009 8:20:00 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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