Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace

WorldNetDaily ^ | July 22, 2009 | Drew Zahn

[RobinMasters]

The announcements of Barack Obama's birth printed by two Hawaii newspapers in 1961 do not provide solid proof of a birth in the Aloha State because of uncertainties over the policies and procedures that apparently were being used at the time.

The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, now reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health.

"We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System," a Star-Bulletin newsroom operator explained to WND.

The operator said, "This is how we've always done it."

The newspaper's "proof" of birth, therefore, could be based on a state-issued "Certification of Live Birth" which, as WND has reported is insufficient alone, even for some State Department officials, to document the birthplace.

Many people remain unaware a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a Certification of Live Birth, the very "evidence" the White House has cited in defending its assertion Obama was born in Hawaii.

[MHGinTN]

The Nordyke twins were born that same time frame and they are not listed in the announcements. Wonder why? Since Nordyke was a young physician, perhaps he and the wife were living in the guest cottage out back, if it was there in 1961, and that’s where they brought the children home, moving not long thereafter to larger quarters. It would be a convenient slot into which to position the Obama forgery/conterfeit, if the microfiche was tamper with.

[MHGinTN]

Welcome to FR, n00b. Waht cheese do you prefer with your whine?

[PeaceBeWithYou]

FYI: Daniel Lefforge (b. 1960), two daughters, Andrea Harper (b. Mar. 15, 1955) and Mia Blake (b. 1959).

[cynwoody]

These announcements were phoned in from parents or family members ALL OF THE TIME.

In that case, the order of the names would not be the same in both papers. LOL! Better pay less attention to pixels and more to common sense.

[cynwoody]

Is that address the same as this?

Yes. And the cottage in the back is most likely their (or her) residence at the time.

[Jess Kitting]

Which hospital submitted the report of Obama's birth?

It's strange that none wants to admit it.

[Fred Nerks]

It would be a convenient slot into which to position the Obama forgery/conterfeit, if the microfiche was tamper with.

hmmm...must check to see if I can find when the Nordykes moved to Hawaii...

Mary Ellen Nordyke-Grace LINK

What has made Stanford appealing to all of them?

...My mother, Eleanor Cole Nordyke, graduated from Stanford’s five-year nursing program in 1950 and was married in Memorial Church the same day. My father, Robert Allan Nordyke, earned his BA and MD from UC Berkeley...

<~snip

How have you balanced your career and family life?

Juggling work and family demands can certainly be challenging. We have found that it is crucial to discover efficiencies, such as conducting activities in parallel, whenever possible. We are extremely fortunate to live within walking distance of the children’s elementary and high school, Punahou School, and the University of Hawaii. We are only a 15-minute drive, door to door, from my office downtown. Several family members, including my mother, live on our street and provide unfailing support.

[Plummz]

Maybe the story that Maddy Payne had osteoporosis was a lie?! Rememeber her illness stories changed a couple times before she sudenly allegedly died suddenly.

Maddy Payne also could have just been lying to the dingbat Nordyke lady on the cruise. What was Maddy going to tell her? The truth?

“Yeah, lady, my grandson finished Columbia on a no-show CIA-workstudy program and then he and the terrorist Bill Ayers wrote a fictional account of his life growing up in Hawaii.”

No, Maddy told the Nordyke dingbat just enough to shut her up.

[Fred Nerks]

http://yedda.com/questions/new_traction_Obama_birth_college_5041156713523/

“...Dr. Robert Allan Nordyke joined the Straub Clinic, located at 7192 Kalanianaole Highway Honolulu, HI 96825, on April 11, 1960. He was a pioneer in nuclear medicine.

“I suppose it’s just a coincidence that his wife, Eleanor Nordyke, pops up and says she gave birth to on the same day in the same hospital, then the birth announcement shows the same street address as her husband’s clinic? And the twins birth was never announced at all? A physician and his wife give birth to twins and there’s no announcement?

“Where is the birth announcement for the Nordyke twins, who both turned up in Obama’s kindergarten class? Were their names eventually removed and another name substituted in the same space?”

http://www.straubhealth.org/sch/clinics/hawaii-kai.aspx

Straub Hawaii Kai Family Health Center
Koko Marina Shopping Center
7192 Kalanianaole Highway
Honolulu, HI 96825

[Fred Nerks]

Please stop addressing unsourced comments to me.

[bluescape]

“If the newspaper announcements are genuine, I consider it pretty damn conclusive”

So conclusive we don't need to bother with actual documentation for this president like we do with every other person in the universe.

[Fred Nerks]

Might as well kill two birds with one stone:

TEXASDARLIN

blog58

"The story of Dr. West delivering the baby is all bulsh%$##.

"TD: can you please make snap shots before posting before the info disappears?

"Not scared enough already?:

"- On the first link, click to go to the next picture where the Dr. West is shaking hands with Bush.?? You thoughts?

“Rodney T. West’s Story” “…In September of l949, he resigned from the Naval Reserve as a full Commander. Then, after practicing on the Big Island of Hawaii for a year, he returned to Honolulu and joined the Obstetrics and Gynecological department of the Straub Clinic. IN DECEMBER OF 1956, after delivering at least 5,OOO babies – and other things, he retired from the practice of medicine…”

LINK PROVIDED, SCRUBBED

And that puts an end to the 'Teacher from Kenmore' story, Barbara Nelson. Who, btw, arrived in Hawaii in 1949 from Buffalo. That's the same year Neil Abercrombie arrived from Buffalo...

[Fred Nerks]

BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT FORGERY ATLAS SHRUGSLINK

Here’s a comment on Atlas Shrugs from Infidel Granny, reminding Pamela just where the birth announcement came from. It was a scan, e-mailed to her.

“Pamela, Infidel Granny here. I am the woman who sent you the birth announcement from the Honolulu Advertiser in July 2008. You gave me a hat tip on July 23, 2008. I sure hope you don’t think I had anything to do with a forgery.

The woman I spoke to at the Advertiser suggested I contact the Hawaii State Librbary for the info. That’s where I got it from just as it states in the blog on July 23. The librarian stated another woman had asked for the same thing about one week before I did. You might still have my email and phone number. Feel free to contact me if you like.”

I’m putting this up here now because the link to Texasdarlin where Lori Starfelt explains how she came about her material (from the same source, by e-mail) has been removed.

Maybe factcheck didn’t appreciate me drawing attention to that fact they ‘validated’ an announcement that was an electronic image of a scan received by e-mail from an anonymous poster?

8,014 posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:47:12 PM by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: You are assuming the August 4th date is correct.

That's a very good point.

[Beckwith]

Wherever Barack was hatched, Stanley Ann was on a transoceanic flight within two weeks of his birth.

Not if he was born within driving distance of Seattle/Mercer Island. Vancouver for example, but also lots of other places.

That’s true.

[usmcobra]

That’s interesting, is there an exact date on the son?

It is still possible that his birthday was actually in 1961 and is recorded wrong and that he is the child referenced in that birth announcement.

From what I have just read on this thread, the clippings in question were of particular interest to someone else before they were sent a week later to one of the PUMAs.

[Fred Nerks]

HONOLULU ADVERTISER

Dr. Rodney T. West

Born: Dec. 23, 1910, Wailuku, Maui

Education: Skipped seventh and eighth grades; Honolulu Military Academy, Punahou School, where West played clarinet.

Naval service: Joined Navy Reserve in January 1940, activated Sept. 5, 1941 — March 26, 1946. Resigned from Navy Reserve in 1949 at rank of commander.

Medical career highlights: Delivered 5,000 babies; President, Hawaii Medical Association (1963); Medical Director, Straub Clinic (now Straub Clinic & Hospital) until retirement in 1975; one of the founders and first president of the American College of Physician Executives (1975).

Family: Wife, Mary Ann (Carlisle) West, died 1994; daughter, Jo-Anne Lewis (Kaimuki); sons, Kenneth C. West (Phoenix) and Rodney West Jr. (Spokane, Wash.)

Lives: Kahala Nui senior residence -----

(Update: I thought that 1956 retirment date may have been to early.)

[Fred Nerks]

Obama’s Birth Announcement found in Newspaper
Texas Darlin Website ^ | July 22, 2008 | Texas Darlin

Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:05:44 PM by Kevmo

Obama was likely born in Hawaii — does that mean he’s Eligible? July 22, 2008 · 19 Comments

*The birth announcement was tracked down by Lori Starfelt, the producer of a documentary that PUMA is working on.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2049721/posts?page=186

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-born-in-hawaii-wrong-can-of-worms/

LINK NOT FOUND.

[usmcobra]

The purge continues....

[MHGinTN]

Thanks, Fred Nerks, and may I ask, is it a conspiracy ‘theory’ if there are incorrect addresses on supposed newspaper ads, and forged selective service card, and fraudulent images of fabricated-to-look-like certification of live birth exhibits? I’ve been at Freerepublic for a long time and this year is hallmarked by the mysterious absence of monitoring for liars openly using FR to spread lies. So I’m beginning to wonder how many conspiracies and how credible? Why are open liars being coddled?