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Kennedy: Let's Ration Health Care (Looks like Mary Jo's Killer is killing Obamacare)
weekly standard ^ | 7/20/09 | William Kristol

Posted on 07/20/2009 6:02:12 AM PDT by bestintxas

Newsweek Managing Editor Daniel Klaidman explains that his magazine decided to ask Sen. Ted Kennedy to author a cover piece on health care, because "his absence during this historic debate had been so palpable, yet here was a way for this respected voice on health care to weigh in and be part of the national conversation at a critical moment."

Well, Sen. Kennedy has weighed in, and he may have helped doom Obamacare.

For Kennedy and his co-author, Bob Shrum, have let the rationing cat out of the bag. And that's a problem for President Obama and the Democrats. Make no mistake: Beyond all the other crippling problems with the Democrats' health care proposal--its cost at a time of massive deficits, the tax increases it requires at a time of recession, its preference for government over the private sector and for central planning over free competition--the deepest vulnerability of Obamacare is that it (intentionally) puts us on a course towards government rationing of health care.

Here's the key paragraph from Kennedy and Shrum:

We also need to move from a system that rewards doctors for the sheer volume of tests and treatments they prescribe to one that rewards quality and positive outcomes. For example, in Medicare today, 18 percent of patients discharged from a hospital are readmitted within 30 days--at a cost of more than $15 billion in 2005. Most of these readmissions are unnecessary, but we don't reward hospitals and doctors for preventing them. By changing that, we'll save billions of dollars while improving the quality of care for patients.

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KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; democratcongress; democrats; healthcare; hillarycare; kennedy; obama; obamacare; ratioedhealthcare; ration; rationedhealthcare; rationing; romney; romneycare; socializedmedicine
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Alcohol takes awhile to have its total effect, and it's showing up in full force on Teddy.
1 posted on 07/20/2009 6:02:13 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

You first, Ted. No more brain cancer treatments for an old coot like you.


2 posted on 07/20/2009 6:04:35 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

40 years ago, American heroes walked on the moon and 40 years ago, a coward from Massachusetts walked away from a drowning woman.


3 posted on 07/20/2009 6:05:54 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: bestintxas

But this will never make the evening news...


4 posted on 07/20/2009 6:06:21 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out)
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To: bestintxas

Hey Teddy would recommend withhold care for a 76 year old alcoholic diagnosed with brain cancer? I think you would, except of course if it was you.


5 posted on 07/20/2009 6:06:36 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Wolfie

Exactly. Terminal when diagnosed, he should be dead already if he had done the right thing for society and entered hospice.


6 posted on 07/20/2009 6:09:40 AM PDT by LALALAW (one of the asses whose sick of our "ruling" classes)
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To: bestintxas

I doubt that Kennedy had much input into this article. From what I have read he’s in such bad shape that writing an article is the last thing he could do.


7 posted on 07/20/2009 6:10:41 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: bestintxas
I never thought I'd say this, but...

Thank you, Teddy!!!!


8 posted on 07/20/2009 6:11:10 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Impeach President Soros!!!)
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To: w1andsodidwe

These elitist bastards don’t care about old folks in general, because they have money to buy their own care. In the case of the Chappaquiddick hero, it’s money handed down from his criminal short selling bootlegging father.


9 posted on 07/20/2009 6:15:49 AM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: bestintxas

Sounds like a good idea. Lets start with Kennedy and discuss it later.


10 posted on 07/20/2009 6:16:07 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: bestintxas

Hasn’t Kennedy had enough of his ration??? CUT HIM OFF>

Make them the first recipients of Oboombacare before they try and make us accept it. No?

Then shove this bill wherever


11 posted on 07/20/2009 6:17:08 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: bestintxas

Gurgle gurgle, Teddy. Gurgle, gurgle.


12 posted on 07/20/2009 6:20:02 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Obamacare - it's to die for.)
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To: bestintxas; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

Why the hell doesn’t someone mention that a large portion of the medical test demanded by doctors are to provide a DEFENSE in the all too common malpractice suit.
The tort lawyer demands indignantly, “Doctor why did you NEGLECT to order (such and such) test for my client?”
So the test is ordered, needed or not.
Under ObamaCare, the tort lawyers will lose a large part of their ammunition as the ordering of medical tests will be dictated NOT by the doctor but by the “out of reach” medical bureacrat.
I’m really surprise the ABA hasn’t figured this out yet.


13 posted on 07/20/2009 6:20:06 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views)
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To: bestintxas

The Kennedy family as a whole have been wasting precious health resources for years.

Hell, Patrick Kennedy alone has been to rehab as many times as the state of Massachusetts.


14 posted on 07/20/2009 6:24:07 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (ABC-AP-MSNBC-All Obama, All the time.)
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To: SueRae

He is on the SPECIAL Congressional plan that will never include rationing for these asshats.


15 posted on 07/20/2009 6:24:36 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: bestintxas

Didn’t read beyond the first FR page, but it looks like they’re pushing the idea that they could be “saving” Healthcare from the “Bad Cops” in the Dem Party. Once it became clear how many people were onto them, and how many were waking up to an awareness of how catastrophic the costs would and could be, they backed off and starting “refining” and watering their original proposals down.They do this with everything. In final form
it will probably incorporate key elements stolen from the Republicans.
It would be at this point disastrous to try to push the entire original package down our throats. NOT EVEN THE DEMS would be re-elected if they try this.


16 posted on 07/20/2009 6:24:47 AM PDT by supremedoctrine (I think we have seen the future, and should start acting on it today.)
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To: Rider on the Rain
In the case of the Chappaquiddick hero, it’s money handed down from his criminal short selling bootlegging father.

If ever there was a good example of sins of the father handed down generations, its the Kennedy example.
17 posted on 07/20/2009 6:27:49 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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To: Wolfie


That's delicious! Thanks for the laugh - I really needed it.
18 posted on 07/20/2009 6:28:02 AM PDT by demkicker
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Mary Jo did not drown. She died of asphyxiation. That's why there was never an autopsy and she was cremated which was extremely rare for a Catholic in 1969. The fix was in and that POS got away with murder.
19 posted on 07/20/2009 6:28:47 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (1/20/13 - Obama's Last Day!)
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To: bestintxas

Personally I think old alcoholics with inoperable brain tumors should go to the end of the Health Care line.....


20 posted on 07/20/2009 6:29:32 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: bestintxas

You can go 1st Ted.


21 posted on 07/20/2009 6:30:56 AM PDT by taxtruth
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To: bestintxas

“We also need to move from a system that rewards doctors for the sheer volume of tests and treatments they prescribe to one that rewards quality and positive outcomes. For example, in Medicare today, 18 percent of patients discharged from a hospital are readmitted within 30 days—at a cost of more than $15 billion in 2005. Most of these readmissions are unnecessary, but we don’t reward hospitals and doctors for preventing them. By changing that, we’ll save billions of dollars while improving the quality of care for patients.”

What kind of idiotic, insane, out-of-touch pontification is this? These fools actually believe they can solve the problem? They invented it! We need to get rid of Medicare, Social Security, and every other “entitlement.” Personal choice in health care = freedom; government health care = tyranny.

Push back!

http://pushbackuntil.com


22 posted on 07/20/2009 6:32:05 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable, and unambiguous clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: HenpeckedCon
Teddy should go into hospice, have a plastic bag tied over his head, and suffocate to death, Mary Jo Kopechne style...that would be real “social justice.”
23 posted on 07/20/2009 6:35:34 AM PDT by twister881
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To: HenpeckedCon

You’re right, she died when the air in the car ran out, but she wasn’t cremated.


24 posted on 07/20/2009 6:36:07 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: Wolfie

No kidding. We’re putting YOU on an ice floe.


25 posted on 07/20/2009 6:37:44 AM PDT by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: bestintxas

Kennedy and that brain surgeon Shrum have revealed 0bama as the scammer behind the curtain and now people can see the naked fraud that is this plan and the core of this presidency.

This is a Government death care plan, make no mistake.

First it will kill the economy.

Then it will kill ANY freedom of choice individuals once exercised for their health care, then it will kill the flow of the current resources to those who are unfairly obtaining it so that they can be redistributed in a more just and fair manner. Let spell this one out for you - this explicitly means that health care resources will be denied in specified areas so that they can then be freely provided to Illegal Aliens and people who vote for 0bama.

Lastly it will kill old people or those who some federal human bean counter says have been assessed to be somehow less deserving of the rationed resource in favor of some other more “important or deserving” group.


26 posted on 07/20/2009 6:39:07 AM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: bestintxas

I’M A PHYSICIAN. I’ll tell you what will happen. BECAUSE IT’S STARTING TO HAPPEND NOW.

You will have third party reviewers who will come in after the fact and second guess the admission or readmission. They will use criteria that will result in the determination that the patient SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ADMITTED IN THE FIRST PLACE and any tests ordered were unnecessary.

The third party reviewer will take % cut from the so-called money that will be returned or saved.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT VERY QUICKLY DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS WILL STOP ORDERING TESTS OR ADMITTING PATIENTS FOR FEAR THAT THEY WILL BE SECOND GUESSED.

I’M WONDERING BTW, WITH OBAMACARE WHO PAYS THE DOCTOR’S MALPRACTICE INSURANCE.


27 posted on 07/20/2009 6:41:54 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Wolfie

I agree with you ....... shut his treatments off. It’s a terminal illness anyway so why prolong the inevitable?


28 posted on 07/20/2009 6:44:03 AM PDT by phoenix07
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To: bestintxas

QUESTION: Name one thing...(besides collectin taxes) just one thing the gov’t does on the domestic front efficiently and cost effectively.

I offer that TYPICALLY OVER TIME GOV’T RUN BEAURACRACIES FROM THE POST OFFICE TO EDUCATION TO THE TRAINS RESULTS IN INCREASED COSTS AND REDUCTION OF SERVICES.

I heard where the USPS will be stopping Saturday deliveries soon. A stamp is now well over 40 cents. 40 cents!!!!


29 posted on 07/20/2009 6:45:44 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: HenpeckedCon
There was a story posted from a Cape Cod newspaper here last week that advanced the theory that there were three people in the car; that Ted and another girl were headed for a midnight swim and they didn't know Mary Jo was asleep in the back seat. Evidence of this was Mary Jo's purse was found at the cabin and another woman's belongings were found in the Oldsmobile.
Don't know if I buy this but I suspect it was "placed' by Kennedy fans who want to blot out the heartlessness he exemplified in ignoring Mary Jo as the car went under.
30 posted on 07/20/2009 6:49:05 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: bestintxas
Most of these readmissions are unnecessary...

Notice how "unnecessary" is not defined. The nice even $15 billion "savings" should be a tip off too.

31 posted on 07/20/2009 6:49:46 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Sarah Palin: Conservative Point Guard-2009/10 Conservative Captain-2011/12)
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To: bestintxas
Here is the link to Sen. Ted's article:

The Cause of My Life
Inside the fight for universal health care.
www.newsweek.com/id/207406

Printer-friendly version
www.newsweek.com/id/207406/output/print

32 posted on 07/20/2009 6:52:38 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Russ

“I doubt that Kennedy had much input into this article. From what I have read he’s in such bad shape that writing an article is the last thing he could do.”

Of course Kennedy has never been in fit condition to write anything coherent. He couldn’t even write his own tests and term papers in prep school and college, hence his multiple expulsions from various schools. This article is just as much Kennedy’s work as anything else ever published with his name on it.


33 posted on 07/20/2009 6:54:17 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: bestintxas

A. When did Kennedy ever write his own speeches or books?
B. The arrival of Shrum in this means ObamaCare has jumped the shark.


34 posted on 07/20/2009 6:54:56 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: bestintxas
Most of these readmissions are unnecessary, but we don't reward hospitals and doctors for preventing them.

The real message here is that your doctor and hospital are going to be paid to not re-admit you-- regardless of whether it is the right decision or not. The question is: how long do you wait to determine the payment of the reward? If you wait 90 days, then re-admissions will shift to 100 days (although you would get some "benefit" from the patients that die in the interim)...

hh
35 posted on 07/20/2009 6:59:10 AM PDT by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: bestintxas

Gee Teddy, if you had been treated that way you would be dead. How many hospital re-admissions have you had since your experimental brain surgery? Under Obamacare you first would not have had that brain surgery that has kept you alive...too costly especially with your terminal prognosis. You certainly would not have been re-admitted for those several other hospitalizations and would probably only have gotten “counseling” for hospice care or euthanasia. Of course as a member of Congress you wouldn’t be under the same plan as the rest of us. Hypocrite!


36 posted on 07/20/2009 7:12:38 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: bestintxas

In regards to MJ Kopechne, they should have done a Duke of Clarence on this lecherous old reprobate decades ago, perhaps with a barrel of scotch, rather than a butt of Malmsey wine.

(In Shakespeare’s Richard III, George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence is drowned in a vat of wine)


37 posted on 07/20/2009 7:20:51 AM PDT by skepsel
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To: bestintxas
We also need to move from a system that rewards doctors for the sheer volume of tests and treatments they prescribe to one that rewards quality and positive outcomes. For example, in Medicare today, 18 percent of patients discharged from a hospital are readmitted within 30 days--at a cost of more than $15 billion in 2005. Most of these readmissions are unnecessary, but we don't reward hospitals and doctors for preventing them. By changing that, we'll save billions of dollars while improving the quality of care for patients.

Both sides barking up the wrong tree here. Part of the problem is the hospitals and medical profession itself which has nothing to offer but "tests and treatments". But the bigger problem is medicare which has for years eroded the quality of care by chronically underpaying for effective services (e.g. home health care) and expanding bureaucracy for doctors and patients to the point of insanity.

38 posted on 07/20/2009 7:22:23 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: nikos1121

I have to ask. If the decision making process is removed from the responsibility of the DOCTOR, and placed in the hands of a government facilitator, how could the DOCTOR be sued for the results of decision he DID NOT MAKE?
If a DOCTOR, on the stand, repeatedly states that he did NOT agree with the government decision maker, and the government decisions are what killed the patient, how would the DOCTOR be held responsible?
If I was a tort lawyer, I’d be terrified at the idea of having the government “health care” REMOVE my one and only target.


39 posted on 07/20/2009 7:31:31 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views)
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To: bestintxas
Kennedy Kare - Doing Business Since 1969.


40 posted on 07/20/2009 7:36:55 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If you cannot be a good example you can serve as horrible warning - like Obama.)
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To: bestintxas

Congressman John Fleming introduced HR 615 to make it mandatory that any Congress person who votes FOR Obama’s health care plan has to resign from the Federal Health Care Program and sign up on Obama’s government health care plan.

No URL, my computer is balking, but it IS out there.


41 posted on 07/20/2009 8:40:24 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (I believe in CHOICE: Let the Fetus decide whether to be born or to spontaneously abort. FETAL CHOICE)
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To: Russ

“I doubt that Kennedy had much input into this article. From what I have read he’s in such bad shape that writing an article is the last thing he could do.”

Oh crap!!!! Do you know what this means?

A couple of weeks ago it was all about Michelle Jackson for a zillion days.

This past weekend it was all about Cronkite forever and ever and still going on.

Now it is going to be Kenndy for a zillion years.

And before we can catch our breath, it is going to be Byrd.

I wish Kennedy would have gone out on Mary Jo Kopechne’s anniversary. There would have been a lot of Justice to that.


42 posted on 07/20/2009 8:40:53 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Who will pay the doctor’s malpractice. As I understand it...doctors would be employee’s of the gov’t?


43 posted on 07/20/2009 10:24:30 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121
Who will pay the doctor’s malpractice. As I understand it...doctors would be employee’s of the gov’t?

Silly rabbit, that is the one thing that ObamaCare deliberately does not change. Lawsuits aplenty under the new system. Probably more than before.

44 posted on 07/20/2009 10:28:22 AM PDT by Gideon7
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To: nikos1121

More specifically, doctors still run their own practices and still get sued as individuals. No govt help at all.


45 posted on 07/20/2009 10:29:44 AM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Gideon7

So if I order a test and it’s negative, a gov’t third party contractor, working on commission, will say that I should NOT have ordered the test in the first place, since I should have known that it would be negative. And if I don’t order the test, and the patient has a delayed diagnosis, then I get sued.


46 posted on 07/20/2009 10:33:21 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: bestintxas

“His absence was palpable” to Mary Jo when she was SUFFOCATING in that car before she drowned, also!!! Bring on the PALPABILITY!!!


47 posted on 07/20/2009 10:35:35 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: bestintxas
For example, in Medicare today, 18 percent of patients discharged from a hospital are readmitted within 30 days--at a cost of more than $15 billion in 2005. Most of these readmissions are unnecessary, but we don't reward hospitals and doctors for preventing them. By changing that, we'll save billions of dollars while improving the quality of care for patients.

dealt with this issue concerning my mother several yrs. ago.

She had broken her leg (90 y.o. at the time but very lucid and alert).
After the Medicare fixed number of days for that injury she was discharged.

She shouldn't have been as she needed more intensive recovery care but with Medicare it's..

Tough Tacos

I'll bet most of these re-admittance should never have been discharged in the first place.

48 posted on 07/20/2009 10:35:55 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: bestintxas
this respected voice on health care

so says; Newsweek Managing Editor Daniel Klaidman


Keep reminding us of why we don't buy Newsweek!

49 posted on 07/20/2009 10:37:04 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: R0CK3T

So they got that all time “winner” schrum involved too. His involvement gives me hope we just my beat this thing back. Why would Americans want to give the government control over 20% of theeconomy? Look what these authoritarian marxists have done to it in 7 months.


50 posted on 07/20/2009 11:09:53 AM PDT by easttennesseejohn
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